ROAD Tax 2017

[CorvetteConvert]

DJP said:

Everyone pays for what everyone uses.

Why should the vehicle make any difference to the tax price?

(Although it should all be on fuel anyway).

So a Rolls Royce Phantom should be the same as a Ford Ka?

[CorvetteConvert]

My cars generally attract almost £500 a year and i wear it, firstly because i can afford it and secondly because i agree gaz-guzzlers should pay more than a tiny-engined shopping car which an old person uses once a week to go shopping.
Why should a person doing 2000 miles a year in a one litre Ford Ka pay the same road tax as someone doing 20,000 miles a year in his Scooby or 50,000 in his company Mondeo?
Those who can afford big and powerful and expensive cars should be paying more and i am more than happy to subsidise people with much less money and who drive the smallest cars doing far less damage to the road and kicking out far less pollution.
I believe in fairness and am happy to back that up with hard cash.

Edited by CorvetteConvert on Sunday 2nd August 20:41

[CorvetteConvert]

HTP99 said:

Can't be too hard up if you can afford a new car, even if it is a £6995 C1 and tbh in my experience the majority of car buyers dont actively seek out a £nil or £20 rfl banding car and anyway whats another £100 odd spread out over the year.

It's a fortune to some people. To those who choose between heating and eating but need a car to get to work, like my friend's son.

[Negative Creep]

CorvetteConvert said:

HTP99 said:

Can't be too hard up if you can afford a new car, even if it is a £6995 C1 and tbh in my experience the majority of car buyers dont actively seek out a £nil or £20 rfl banding car and anyway whats another £100 odd spread out over the year.

It's a fortune to some people. To those who choose between heating and eating but need a car to get to work, like my friend's son.

Did he buy a brand new car?

[daemon]

CorvetteConvert said:

HTP99 said:

Can't be too hard up if you can afford a new car, even if it is a £6995 C1 and tbh in my experience the majority of car buyers dont actively seek out a £nil or £20 rfl banding car and anyway whats another £100 odd spread out over the year.

It's a fortune to some people. To those who choose between heating and eating but need a car to get to work, like my friend's son.

But buy a new car anyway?

[ging84]

CorvetteConvert said:

So a Rolls Royce Phantom should be the same as a Ford Ka?

or a 2cv

[btcc123]

CorvetteConvert said:

My cars generally attract almost £500 a year and i wear it, firstly because i can afford it and secondly because i agree gaz-guzzlers should pay more than a tiny-engined shopping car which an old person uses once a week to go shopping.
Why should a person doing 2000 miles a year in a one litre Ford Ka pay the same road tax as someone doing 20,000 miles a year in his Scooby or 50,000 in his company Mondeo?
Those who can afford big and powerful and expensive cars should be paying more and i am more than happy to subsidise people with much less money and who drive the smallest cars doing far less damage to the road and kicking out far less pollution.
I believe in fairness and am happy to back that up with hard cash.

Edited by CorvetteConvert on Sunday 2nd August 20:41

If my Grandmother had a new Porsche 991 Turbo but only used it for shopping trips and does less than 1,000 miles a year and my Grandfather has a 1 Ltr Fiesta but does 50,000 miles a year who should pay the most tax.

[MG CHRIS]

Corvette convert really does need to know what the new rules are before talking complete rubbish.

[McSam]

Matt UK said:

McSam said:

Thanks, but that doesn't answer the question of how a "cost" of £40k is defined - list price, or as specified.

Wouldn't be surprised if they use the company car P11D route, whereby you get your own personal taxation rate based on the RSP of the vehicle plus any options.

Interesting, I wasn't aware P11D included options. Perhaps that will be the route taken, but it seems more complicated because the VED band must be attached to the vehicle's registration, it's a lot more "firm and final" than company car taxation rates. If you had a £38k car and £3k of options which would put it in the premium band if declared correctly, you have to wonder how many of those options might become dealer-fit accessories that are applied after the car is registered, but before delivery is taken...

[Roo]

CorvetteConvert said:

My cars generally attract almost £500 a year and i wear it,

Edited by CorvetteConvert on Sunday 2nd August 20:41

You pay £500 a year road tax for a Mini?

[btcc123]

I think that nobody is sure how the new car tax rates will be applied after 1st April 2017 as there are many things to consider like the CO2 and list price and think the government is still to decide.

If it was based on list price in a particular price band then the details would have to be in the DVLA computer so everyone who bought that car would pay the same tax.It would be to complicated if it was based on what the car cost as some people will have no options,some 5k others 10k.Its the same with discounts some will pay full list price.others 10% off others 20% off.

Also people would want to know how much the tax was on a a particular second hand car and it has to be one price.

You could have 3 people buy the same car.One pays full list price and does not have any options.The second person pays full list price and has 10k options and the third person gets a 20% discount and has no options.If the tax depended on how much you actually paid for the car these 3 people may be in three different tax bands,pay different amounts of tax and that would be a nightmare to administer.

It would be a lot easier to put petrol up to cover road tax and then the people who use the roads most would pay the most.

[TransverseTight]

DJP said:

Everyone pays for what everyone uses.

Why should the vehicle make any difference to the tax price?

(Although it should all be on fuel anyway).

Exactly - I own 2 cars, one which does 25,000 mile a year and I pay £0 tax on. And another which I do less than 2,000 miles (and insured for 2,000 miles max) but pay £260 on.

Flipping madness. Just scrap the lot and presumably add something between 2p and 5p a litre on fuel duty. Then if you drive a Fiesta 1.4 econetic for 40,000 miles a year you'll pay the same as someone driving a Hummer for 5,000 miles. That seems about fair to me, given the wear and tear on the roads and the NHS costs of sucking down PM10s. (sadly they can't tax it yet depending on where you burn it).

[eztiger328]

This is the reason I don't bother with cars newer than 2000.

When the govt / EUSSR introduced the bullst Co2 scam tax bands I knew things would only get worse down the line and surprise surprise look whats happening!

For me a desirable pre 2000 car on classic car insurance is the way to go nowadays, tax efficient and sticks 2 finger up at 'the man'.

Now back to my search for a tidy E39 M5...

[mccrackenj]

CorvetteConvert said:

Meanwhile millions of harder-up (especially young) people who buy cars smaller and slower than they really want to get a £20 or even zero road tax bill will now pay £140, the same as a Subaru Sti. Typical of Tory thinking.

What, you mean sweep away loads of different bands and replace with 1 simple band for everyone. If that's "typical Tory thinking" would you prefer "typical Labour complexity and control-freakery"?

When all your shopping is rung through the till at Tesco, should you pay the same as everyone else for the items you've bought, or should the till operator ask to see your pay slip or ask how far you've driven to get there before calculating your final bill?

Edited by mccrackenj on Tuesday 4th August 12:41

[Matt UK]

btcc123 said:

I think that nobody is sure how the new car tax rates will be applied after 1st April 2017 as there are many things to consider like the CO2 and list price and think the government is still to decide.

If it was based on list price in a particular price band then the details would have to be in the DVLA computer so everyone who bought that car would pay the same tax.It would be to complicated if it was based on what the car cost as some people will have no options,some 5k others 10k.Its the same with discounts some will pay full list price.others 10% off others 20% off.

Also people would want to know how much the tax was on a a particular second hand car and it has to be one price.

You could have 3 people buy the same car.One pays full list price and does not have any options.The second person pays full list price and has 10k options and the third person gets a 20% discount and has no options.If the tax depended on how much you actually paid for the car these 3 people may be in three different tax bands,pay different amounts of tax and that would be a nightmare to administer.

It would be a lot easier to put petrol up to cover road tax and then the people who use the roads most would pay the most.

If it was based on List price, it wouldn't be that hard in a digital age for each vehicle to have its own unique 'value' which includes all options - they've been doing it on company car BiK via P11D for donkeys years.

But I agree - fairer and less complicated to administer if done via fuel. But potentially political suicide as the general public are a bit gormless when it comes to working out things cost them.

[GrizzlyBear]

daemon said:

CorvetteConvert said:

Meanwhile millions of harder-up (especially young) people who buy cars smaller and slower than they really want to get a £20 or even zero road tax bill will now pay £140, the same as a Subaru Sti. Typical of Tory thinking.

Hard up, but can afford a brand new car?

Bit of a first world definition of hard up.

Exactly, bit like shouting about austerity, when it would be called profligacy 30 years ago in the first world...