Porsche Cayman 981 2.7 PDK, 2013-on. Is it too slow?
Discussion
Ozzie Osmond said:
lord trumpton said:
I would say that no matter how divine the chassis is and despite the low slung driving position and sports car looks, all those will fade in appeal when an octavia vrs is unshakeable or some rattling golf GTD has shot past you before you've even though about swapping cogs to access the power band.
Happily that's not the case for most owners. Mr Zorst can go past any time he likes but will never have the pleasure of a sportscar's sleek looks or sublime chassis.With a nice girlfriend you're really not bothered that Lord Sewell's hookers are faster. You just know you're better off.
I've a 997 turbo and that's ridiculously quick and a great drive. I bought that for driving fast on track and that's how a spots car should be - fast and chuckable.
If someone bought a cayman 2.7 to make themselves feel special with their bird sat next to them then that's a pity as there is something missing in their life if that's what they need.
The OP's question (and my subsequent answer) was based around it feeling a bit slow or underpowered and for me it does. Big time.
lord trumpton said:
Well Ive owned the 2.7 and it was gutless. A great steer but thats it.
I've a 997 turbo and that's ridiculously quick and a great drive. I bought that for driving fast on track and that's how a spots car should be - fast and chuckable.
If someone bought a cayman 2.7 to make themselves feel special with their bird sat next to them then that's a pity as there is something missing in their life if that's what they need.
The OP's question (and my subsequent answer) was based around it feeling a bit slow or underpowered and for me it does. Big time.
Remember though that not everyone has the funds to go up in the power stakes. I wouldn't feel short changed BHP wise as I think the 2.7 has enough grunt to enjoy the chassis (obviously it would be better with more) and I don't give a flying fI've a 997 turbo and that's ridiculously quick and a great drive. I bought that for driving fast on track and that's how a spots car should be - fast and chuckable.
If someone bought a cayman 2.7 to make themselves feel special with their bird sat next to them then that's a pity as there is something missing in their life if that's what they need.
The OP's question (and my subsequent answer) was based around it feeling a bit slow or underpowered and for me it does. Big time.
k about having a 'competition' with other road users.Re the Lord Sewel comments don't knock a double hooker/cocaine interface until you've tried it.
Limpet said:
The increasing focus on on-paper performance and power outputs is part of what is wrong with modern cars.
Give me something that feels good even when pootling to the shops any day.
This, 100% this. Give me something that feels good even when pootling to the shops any day.
I still want a Cayman (house purchase delayed it sadly), for every day use the power would be perfectly acceptable - I'm driving to work, not taking a lap of Oulton Park in.
I haven't driven the new 2.7, only the previous 2.9 and it had a good all round balance IMO, everything about it was great.
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Clio trophy isn't straight line quick but on a b road it's quick.
chris watton said:
Have to agree with this. What makes owing a sports car so special is how it makes you feel every time you drive it.
I enjoy mine (although not a Porsche) most when driving on the twisties and not doing warp speeds. I am not interested (at age 48) in traffic light grand prix's in city centres, in fact, I hate traffic and enjoy my car most when there's nothing in front or behind me. If there is, I drive it like any other car and leave plenty of space for the car in front - and I still enjoy the feeling of driving it then!
I also enjoy looking at it and cleaning it (as I would if I had the Porsche, which I think is a very nice looking car)
So, given the choice, it would be a purpose built sports car every time for the best driving experience package, when taking all factors into consideration - straight line speed is quite a small factor - although I can fully understand why some obsess about it, more so when choosing from a raft of (relatively) identikit slab sided hatches.
Having more power doesn't always necessarily equal more fun. (IMOHO, of course..)
This is exactly what someone with a hot hatch would say though.I enjoy mine (although not a Porsche) most when driving on the twisties and not doing warp speeds. I am not interested (at age 48) in traffic light grand prix's in city centres, in fact, I hate traffic and enjoy my car most when there's nothing in front or behind me. If there is, I drive it like any other car and leave plenty of space for the car in front - and I still enjoy the feeling of driving it then!
I also enjoy looking at it and cleaning it (as I would if I had the Porsche, which I think is a very nice looking car)
So, given the choice, it would be a purpose built sports car every time for the best driving experience package, when taking all factors into consideration - straight line speed is quite a small factor - although I can fully understand why some obsess about it, more so when choosing from a raft of (relatively) identikit slab sided hatches.
Having more power doesn't always necessarily equal more fun. (IMOHO, of course..)
Clio trophy isn't straight line quick but on a b road it's quick.
egor110 said:
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Clio trophy isn't straight line quick but on a b road it's quick.
I wrote that from the perspective of someone who owns a 400+bhp 1 ton TVR chris watton said:
Have to agree with this. What makes owing a sports car so special is how it makes you feel every time you drive it.
I enjoy mine (although not a Porsche) most when driving on the twisties and not doing warp speeds. I am not interested (at age 48) in traffic light grand prix's in city centres, in fact, I hate traffic and enjoy my car most when there's nothing in front or behind me. If there is, I drive it like any other car and leave plenty of space for the car in front - and I still enjoy the feeling of driving it then!
I also enjoy looking at it and cleaning it (as I would if I had the Porsche, which I think is a very nice looking car)
So, given the choice, it would be a purpose built sports car every time for the best driving experience package, when taking all factors into consideration - straight line speed is quite a small factor - although I can fully understand why some obsess about it, more so when choosing from a raft of (relatively) identikit slab sided hatches.
Having more power doesn't always necessarily equal more fun. (IMOHO, of course..)
This is exactly what someone with a hot hatch would say though.I enjoy mine (although not a Porsche) most when driving on the twisties and not doing warp speeds. I am not interested (at age 48) in traffic light grand prix's in city centres, in fact, I hate traffic and enjoy my car most when there's nothing in front or behind me. If there is, I drive it like any other car and leave plenty of space for the car in front - and I still enjoy the feeling of driving it then!
I also enjoy looking at it and cleaning it (as I would if I had the Porsche, which I think is a very nice looking car)
So, given the choice, it would be a purpose built sports car every time for the best driving experience package, when taking all factors into consideration - straight line speed is quite a small factor - although I can fully understand why some obsess about it, more so when choosing from a raft of (relatively) identikit slab sided hatches.
Having more power doesn't always necessarily equal more fun. (IMOHO, of course..)
Clio trophy isn't straight line quick but on a b road it's quick.
CorvetteConvert said:
I just compared the Cayman S 3.4 from 2008 with the Cayman 2.7 from 2013.
Porsche's own figures are almost identical for 0-60, both around 5.3 seconds with automatic 'boxes. The 3.4 is under half a second quicker to 100 mph than the smaller motor.
The new car puts out almost 20% less emissions and does around 6 mpg more.
The 2.7 engine has 10 bhp more than the 2.9 from 2012.
Not so bad when we view it thus?
You can quote as many figures as you want. The only way to know if it has enough power is to go out and drive it.Porsche's own figures are almost identical for 0-60, both around 5.3 seconds with automatic 'boxes. The 3.4 is under half a second quicker to 100 mph than the smaller motor.
The new car puts out almost 20% less emissions and does around 6 mpg more.
The 2.7 engine has 10 bhp more than the 2.9 from 2012.
Not so bad when we view it thus?
Edited by CorvetteConvert on Sunday 2nd August 17:35
lord trumpton said:
Well Ive owned the 2.7 and it was gutless. A great steer but thats it.
I've a 997 turbo and that's ridiculously quick and a great drive. I bought that for driving fast on track and that's how a spots car should be - fast and chuckable.
If someone bought a cayman 2.7 to make themselves feel special with their bird sat next to them then that's a pity as there is something missing in their life if that's what they need.
The OP's question (and my subsequent answer) was based around it feeling a bit slow or underpowered and for me it does. Big time.
Well it would feel underpowered compared to a 997 Turbo....... I've a 997 turbo and that's ridiculously quick and a great drive. I bought that for driving fast on track and that's how a spots car should be - fast and chuckable.
If someone bought a cayman 2.7 to make themselves feel special with their bird sat next to them then that's a pity as there is something missing in their life if that's what they need.
The OP's question (and my subsequent answer) was based around it feeling a bit slow or underpowered and for me it does. Big time.
My wife thinks the Boxster we have is fantastic..... really quick, powerful & nippy.... its a 987 3.2s so about the same as 2.7 Cayman...... but then her daily drive is a 75hp Fiat 500.
If you need more power buy it, get an S or GT4 or 911. If you don't the 2.7 is great.
You're comparing apples with eggs aren't you?
The hot hatches are all about pose and brag- you don't actually *use* the full power/ability regularly do you? I know someone had a new RS4 that went through two boxes (one after a trip to the ring) (and I think 1 complete new suspension) in the relatively short time he owned it. (yes I know the RS4 isn't a hot hatch but I'm putting it in a similar headline numbers-chasing territory compared to porsche)
The hot hatches are all about pose and brag- you don't actually *use* the full power/ability regularly do you? I know someone had a new RS4 that went through two boxes (one after a trip to the ring) (and I think 1 complete new suspension) in the relatively short time he owned it. (yes I know the RS4 isn't a hot hatch but I'm putting it in a similar headline numbers-chasing territory compared to porsche)
kambites said:
For me straight line speed isn't the point of a sports car (or indeed any road car) so no it isn't.
This, the Cayman is all about balance and poise. My dad has a Boxster S (3.5 with PDK) and it's an amazing car. So much more to it than just straight line speed. They're just incredible machines. People buy cars for their needs. If everyone wanted fast as f**k, we would all have Porsche 918s etc... OR maybe a V8 Atom...
Cars are designed for different purposes, for example no matter if I got out run by a Golf GTI or whatever, my TVR has a roof that comes off and a V8 that sounds like Thor is on the warpath. She makes me happy...
Cars are designed for different purposes, for example no matter if I got out run by a Golf GTI or whatever, my TVR has a roof that comes off and a V8 that sounds like Thor is on the warpath. She makes me happy...
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