RE: BMW M5 30 Jahre: Driven

[hertfordshire1]

I thought the idea of options were that people can tailor a car to their needs?

Even a 100k Range Rover Autobiography has an extensive options list - should they not build 1 car with every option available instead?

Even the BMW CSL had options - should that have had no options, as why build a stripped down lightweight, that people can then add air con and sat nav too?

The 30 Jahre is a celebration model that is limited in numbers and different from the standard cars, interior and colour is bespoke.

Those wishing to buy one, can then spec them how they please - some might want CCB and a fancy exhaust - some might save the 15k and not bother.

They come as standard with a host of options that are not standard on a normal F10 - for example the COMP pack is standard. You can then add further options if you so wish..

Whether that is worth the hike in price is for those contemplating buying one to decide...

http://www.bmw.co.uk/dam/brandBM/marketGB/countryG...


The new BMW M5 30 Jahre Edition celebrates 30 years of the BMW M5. With just 300 vehicles being produced –
only 30 of which will be available in the UK – the new BMW M5 30 Jahre Edition epitomises exclusivity. Featuring the
largest output of any production BMW at 600hp (40hp more than the standard M5), the new BMW M5 30 Jahre Edition
achieves 0 to 62mph in just 3.9 seconds – the fastest time of any BMW production car.

The new BMW M5 30 JAHRE EDITION
█ 600hp power and 700Nm torque output
█ 20" light alloy M Double-spoke style 601 M, Bi-colour - OPTION INCLUDED
█ ‘30 Jahre M5’ stitching on front and rear seats
█ Adaptive LED Headlights - OPTION INCLUDED
█ Anthracite Alcantara centre console, armrests and door pulls
█ BMW Individual Black Alcantara / Full Merino leather upholstery
█ BMW Individual Frozen Dark Silver metallic paintwork
█ Comfort Access with smart-opener - OPTION INCLUDED
█ Competition package - OPTION INCLUDED
█ Dark Chrome exhaust tailpipes, side gills, kidney grille and door handle inserts
█ Door sill finishers with ‘30 Jahre M5’ designation
█ Driving Assistant - OPTION INCLUDED
█ Headlining, Anthracite Alcantara - OPTION INCLUDED
█ Instrument panel upper and lower sections, Nappa leather - OPTION INCLUDED
█ Interior trim, Dark Aluminium Trace with Dark Chrome finisher, ‘30 Jahre M5’ and ‘1/300’ designation
█ Loudspeaker system – harman/kardon - OPTION INCLUDED
█ Lumbar support, driver and front passenger - OPTION INCLUDED
█ M Sport Anthracite Alcantara multi-function steering wheel with gearshift paddles
█ M Sport multi-function seats, front - OPTION INCLUDED
█ Side gills with ‘30 Jahre M5’ designation
█ Split-folding rear seat with additional 12 volt rear power sockets - OPTION INCLUDED

[Vee12V]

HoHoHo said:

Vee12V said:

HoHoHo said:

Vee12V said:

theotherJamie said:

Leather Door Panels, Leather Center Console, Full Trunk Carpeting, Air Conditioning, Power Windows, Power Sunroof, Power Seats, Cruise Control, On-Board Computer, Central Locking......

all in the 1985 E28 M5!

They've always been a luxurious car with a powerful engine not the stripped out racer that those with rose tinted glasses seem to remember.

Exactly. The M5's problem is weight. But they obviously couldn't care less.

Have you ever driven one?

Yes I have. Had one for the weekend two years ago. And there's no denying that it's a very quick machine but it feels heavy in the corners and certainly under braking, has an artificial, uninspiring soundtrack, too many driving modes and poor steering (feel). Interior wise it's also just a normal (though well equipped) 5 series. Again, very good, but just not special. Now I'm perfectly aware that this was also the case with the original E28 M5, but at least that had an interesting engine with the sound to match.

I'd rather have a normal (but still fast), well equipped 5-series that doesn't pretend to be anything special and a true sportscar next to it over something that is best, or in my eyes, worst of both worlds.

You crack me up.....

You're making yourself look very silly with remarks like that, still it is the school holiday

Do explain.

[HoHoHo]

Vee12V said:

Do explain.

Sorry, using an iPhone here and I thought Quickmoose had written that paragraph.

Having said that, having had one (normal not the 30 year) I don't find it heavy at all and its braking ability is breathtaking. Steering is good even compared to say a 991 which as we know has artificial steering. The interior is the same as a normal F10 but with better quality seating and leather, HUD and up until recently on the LCI a better steering wheel (now across all M Sport cars). I agree as you progress up the range into a 6 the interior improves yet again.

The question of engine noise is one that baffles me. It's loud and you can't tell it's through the speakers. If I hadn't have been told I wouldn't have known. The pops and bangs are quite nice and even better with a window open and we all know some cars sound better with the window open

No other 5 series comes anywhere close to the speed an M5 can achieve. 0-100mph in under 8 seconds is pretty bloody rapid, bearing in. The 535D does the same in 13.5 seconds by which time the M5 has gone from 0-100-0.

But it's not simply the acceleration, it's the way the car delivers. Under the skin (which I'm told is 40mm wider than a normal F10) it's all M and shares little with its cousins. Too many settings? I think not albeit you will need to town/fast road/track to probably use them all and I've not even experienced MDM as I'm too much of a coward and would rather keep my car in one piece!

I'm not sure it's pretending to be something special but of course that is in the eye of the beholder and I've been there with a good DD and weekend car and after a while I felt I needed something that ticked all the boxes.

It won't for some but it does a bloody good job on the whole - as I said earlier, is the 30 year worth £30000 more than mine.....I'm not sure it does. The standard M5 does the job really quite well.

[Quickmoose]

HoHoHo said:

Sorry, using an iPhone here and I thought Quickmoose had written that paragraph.

HAHAHA!

HoHozzzzz said:

Having said that, having had one (normal not the 30 year) I don't find it heavy at all and its braking ability is breathtaking. Steering is good even compared to say a 991 which as we know has artificial steering. The interior is the same as a normal F10 but with better quality seating and leather, HUD and up until recently on the LCI a better steering .........It won't be for some but it does a bloody good job on the whole - as I said earlier, is the 30 year worth £30000 more than mine.....I'm not sure it does. The standard M5 does the job really quite well.

I know, I know, I said I was out, but seriously schoolboy errors all over the place.
its not even a thread about the standard M5
(oh and facts... again...I never said I'd driven a Rapide and only a tit would think I was trying to show off by mentioning it...if I owned one then maybe...)
I'm glad you're here HOHO
I'm going to have to stay now

[HoHoHo]

Quickmoose said:

HoHoHo said:

Sorry, using an iPhone here and I thought Quickmoose had written that paragraph.

HAHAHA!

HoHozzzzz said:

Having said that, having had one (normal not the 30 year) I don't find it heavy at all and its braking ability is breathtaking. Steering is good even compared to say a 991 which as we know has artificial steering. The interior is the same as a normal F10 but with better quality seating and leather, HUD and up until recently on the LCI a better steering .........It won't be for some but it does a bloody good job on the whole - as I said earlier, is the 30 year worth £30000 more than mine.....I'm not sure it does. The standard M5 does the job really quite well.

I know, I know, I said I was out, but seriously schoolboy errors all over the place.
its not even a thread about the standard M5
(oh and facts... again...I never said I'd driven a Rapide and only a tit would think I was trying to show off by mentioning it...if I owned one then maybe...)
I'm glad you're here HOHO
I'm going to have to stay now

Couldn't keep away could you

Why mention it then, what was the point?

Anyway, I'll get back to driving my M5 which I happen to think is a pretty good car...........petal

Oh, and it's HoHoHo

[Quickmoose]

HoHoHo said:

Couldn't keep away could you

Why mention it then, what was the point?

Anyway, I'll get back to driving my M5 which I happen to think is a pretty good car...........petal

Oh, and it's HoHoHo

You're observant I'll give you that
And touchy.
I mentioned another similarly performing uber 4 door and you wonder about the point? Ok. It was valid IMO... And was to the owner of the Rapide who was considering the M5 as a replacement.

HoHoHo....? Nah... sounds funny.

Quite easy this iPhone lark...

[HoHoHo]

Quickmoose said:

You're observant I'll give you that
And touchy.
I mentioned another similarly performing uber 4 door and you wonder about the point? Ok. It was valid IMO... And was to the owner of the Rapide who was considering the M5 as a replacement.

HoHoHo....? Nah... sounds funny.

Quite easy this iPhone lark...

Personally I'd rather have an AM Rapide

Having said that they're around £150k new so a lot more money than any M5 model.

[likesachange]

HoHoHo said:

Personally I'd rather have an AM Rapide

Having said that they're around £150k new so a lot more money than any M5 model.

Just a bit
You could buy a boggo m5, new lotus exige 3.5 and new focus RS for the price of a rapide...

Or an m5 and a small terraced house ....

[Quickmoose]

The Rapide had let him down on numerous occasions though, so as sad as he was to get rid, he was looking to save some money, keep the level of performance but in his eyes increase reliability...

[HoHoHo]

Quickmoose said:

The Rapide had let him down on numerous occasions though, so as sad as he was to get rid, he was looking to save some money, keep the level of performance but in his eyes increase reliability...

What faults and were they addressed?

[Quickmoose]

Don't know the specifics....electrics centered and I think repetitive. Destryoyed his illusion of the marque. He had a whale of time when we met some AM employees at LeMans this year

[Zod]

For the record, I'm on my second Aston and eighth BMW and I have noticed little difference in reliability between the two brands. I've had a clutch failure with both, but it was BMW that gave me two complete infotainment system failures. Both have left me with an unprovable car needing a rescue call due to trivial faults; my M5 because of a sensor that prevented the steering from unlocking and my DB9 because of the failure of a switch attached to the clutch pedal that isolated the ignition.

[Wills2]

I knew this thread would be full of the usual nonsense before I opened it and you didn't disappoint PH.

As for the article I'm not sure what PH road testers are driving or perhaps more importantly smoking these days to come up with that review, here is EVO's Jethro Bovingdons take on the Jahre it as it beat the E63S/RS7/XFR-S/Panamera GTS and VXR8 GTS in a recent group test.

http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1119...

[CorvetteConvert]

Davey S2 said:

CorvetteConvert said:

And feel for the people paying £92,000 and up. What price their investment next week, never mind in 2 years.

These aren't bought as investments. They're bought by people with the resources to be able to lose £50k over a couple of years and not worry about it.

If someone can afford to lose £25K a year on their car in depreciation alone get something better than an M5 then. Spend a bit more a year old and get something way better and which holds money better like a 4 seat Ferrari.

[CorvetteConvert]

amusingduck said:

If I could afford to throw away £50k over a few years on a car, an M5 wouldn't be anywhere near the top of the list

You beat me to it.

[E65Ross]

CorvetteConvert said:

Davey S2 said:

CorvetteConvert said:

And feel for the people paying £92,000 and up. What price their investment next week, never mind in 2 years.

These aren't bought as investments. They're bought by people with the resources to be able to lose £50k over a couple of years and not worry about it.

If someone can afford to lose £25K a year on their car in depreciation alone get something better than an M5 then. Spend a bit more a year old and get something way better and which holds money better like a 4 seat Ferrari.

Maybe they want a 5 seater which has a decent size boot.

Tell me then, for your 50k,whicb ferrari has as luxurious an interior as this M5, with as many creature comforts, a boot as big and, here's the big one..... Gas the same performance as this.

Also.... Whilst M5 servicing isn't cheap, it's a lot cheaper than a Ferrari

You're being daft suggesting that as a viable alternative.

To those moaning about it, and the weight etc... Don't understand the point of the M5.

Someone above said the E34 was just as luxurious as the F10 M5. Erm, no it isn't E34s are miles off in terms of refinement for starters!

[Quickmoose]

I say to those celebrating unnecessary weight gain and gadgetry, you do a diservice to what the M 'brand' stands for... Or should I say stood for...
Progress is key...but clearly for performance cars, one man's progress is another's additional nail in what once was.

It's just opinion ...

[E65Ross]

Quickmoose said:

I say to those celebrating unnecessary weight gain and gadgetry, you do a diservice to what the M 'brand' stands for... Or should I say stood for...
Progress is key...but clearly for performance cars, one man's progress is another's additional nail in what once was.

It's just opinion ...

Firstly, no one is celebrating extra weight. However, people like you seem to think that M5 cars have always been stripped out race cars. Lots saying the E34 or E39 M5s are proper M cars..... Yet these were fat and heavy in their day. I don't see what is different?

So was the E39 worthy of the M badge? With its hefty kerb weight for its day, it's traction control on board computer, multi adjustable electric leather seats etc? What about the E34? The was still pretty heavy for its day and had all the creature comfortable available at the day. The E34.M5 I went in had a telephone built in. Very motorsport that was!

[bryn_p]

Quickmoose said:

I say to those celebrating unnecessary weight gain and gadgetry, you do a diservice to what the M 'brand' stands for... Or should I say stood for...
Progress is key...but clearly for performance cars, one man's progress is another's additional nail in what once was.

It's just opinion ...

Whilst I agree with your sentiment, it's a bit pointless arguing this point of view as the same 'progress' has happened with pretty much every car/manufacturer and will continue to do so. To expect otherwise is just not realistic.

And to re-iterate an earlier point that someone made, the M5 has always been a heavy car...

E28 1550kg
E34 1750kg
E39 1826kg
E60 1855kg
F10 1945kg

So my 22 year old E34 is only 195kg lighter but down over 40% in power. A 560bhp+ twin turbo V8 engine that can be driven with total refinement whilst returning 29mpg has to be progress that should be applauded in my opinion.

I think the bottom line and the point a lot of people are missing is that M5 buyers are not looking for or expecting a lightweight car.

Cheers,
Bryn.

[Quickmoose]

bryn_p said:

Whilst I agree with your sentiment, it's a bit pointless arguing this point of view as the same 'progress' has happened with pretty much every car/manufacturer and will continue to do so. To expect otherwise is just not realistic.

And to re-iterate an earlier point that someone made, the M5 has always been a heavy car...

E28 1550kg
E34 1750kg
E39 1826kg
E60 1855kg
F10 1945kg

So my 22 year old E34 is only 195kg lighter but down over 40% in power. A 560bhp+ twin turbo V8 engine that can be driven with total refinement whilst returning 29mpg has to be progress that should be applauded in my opinion.

I think the bottom line and the point a lot of people are missing is that M5 buyers are not looking for or expecting a lightweight car.

Cheers,
Bryn.

I don't think it's pointless at all, many manufacturers are realising that weight saving is a good thing, and I haven't singled out the M5 (I mentioned hot hatches in my earlier post), and clearly the M5 is stil king of the crop of other fat perfromance saloons.
The 5 is a big 5 seater, it's not going to be a featherweight, but in terms of a bogstandard M5, it's not that it's heavy it's that it is TOO heavy, it's stuffed with too much stuff. It doesn't make sense..M... Motorsport. Do DTM BMWs have tis stuff? no of course they dont and an M car should not be a stripped out racer without leather and aircon...but it should reflect it's racing roots more than it does. I think.

Conversely if there was a hope in hell of keeping the thread on track.... a top of the line celerbration of limited numbers, that does not have it all is comical.

Maybe M5 buyers have changed witht he market, maybe thats the point I'm missing, maybe there is room for something more paired back, maybe CS and CSL could be spread across the model ranges...leaving M to remain the digitally enhanced, over eating yet fit and athletic option.