RE: BMW M5 30 Jahre: Driven

[Patrick Bateman]

This is true, it can't keep getting heavier.

I thought they might have done more to keep the weight at least on par with the e60 given they cut the M3 a bit.

[theboss]

Mermaid said:

Ross is right, but he misses the point that it can lighter (A8) and still meet its role as a comfortable large sports saloon.

all A8/S8 models weigh more than the M5, not less

[Mermaid]

theboss said:

Mermaid said:

Ross is right, but he misses the point that it can lighter (A8) and still meet its role as a comfortable large sports saloon.

all A8/S8 models weigh more than the M5, not less

Not checked, but are the cars larger?

If not what was the point of using aluminium, or have other components caught up. Do remember their A2 was much lighter than the equivalent Mercedes A Class.

And is the current M3 (F80) lighter than the E90/92?

[theboss]

Mermaid said:

Not checked, but are the cars larger?

If not what was the point of using aluminium, or have other components caught up. Do remember their A2 was much lighter than the equivalent Mercedes A Class.

And is the current M3 (F80) lighter than the E90/92?

The A8 is indeed a larger car, its equivalent to a 7-series or S-class. But then the M5's weight over every generation has always been at the top of the 5-series chart and borderline 7-series. I guess the point in using aluminium is that it ends up weighing 'only' 2.0t instead of more. The Phaeton was mentioned earlier in the thread and that weights 2.5t (granted for the W12 model but we are talking about high performance versions generally).

I believe the F80 is indeed lighter than the E90 M3, according to wikipedia its 1595kg vs 1685kg.

[HighwayStar]

theboss said:

Mermaid said:

Not checked, but are the cars larger?

If not what was the point of using aluminium, or have other components caught up. Do remember their A2 was much lighter than the equivalent Mercedes A Class.

And is the current M3 (F80) lighter than the E90/92?

The A8 is indeed a larger car, its equivalent to a 7-series or S-class. But then the M5's weight over every generation has always been at the top of the 5-series chart and borderline 7-series. I guess the point in using aluminium is that it ends up weighing 'only' 2.0t instead of more. The Phaeton was mentioned earlier in the thread and that weights 2.5t (granted for the W12 model but we are talking about high performance versions generally).

I believe the F80 is indeed lighter than the E90 M3, according to wikipedia its 1595kg vs 1685kg.

I've just read the whole thread... Always amuses me when people get worked about a car they don't like and it should be this or that. Tis the PH was...
Anyway, from a BMW insider on the Bimmerpost forum... I'll just leave this here:
This G30 series will utilise weight reduction using pressed steel , aluminium, magnesium and A Carbon fibre load bearing section of the chassis taking reduction to 100KG.

The G80 M5 takes this to 180 -200 KG using CFRP within the drivetrain , suspension and body panels.
QUOTE

[likesachange]

Also why are people still banging on about it being so expensive.... No one goes in and pays full retail these days.. Do they?

Personally with the huge discounts like I've mentioned before you can pick up a brand new M5 for less than £60k!! What's a new rs6 after discount? E63? Plus I bet the m5 I way better speccd standard!!

For the record 59k (interest free too!!). Makes a new one as cheap if not cheaper than a 12 month old AUC car when you add on APR ....

It comes with
DCT
HUD
Adaptive bi-xenons
DAB
Electrical memory seats
4way air con/ climate
Pro- nav
Pro -sound
And loads more
It has a 560+ bhp v8 you can customise everything like throttle response, steering weight, dampers and shift speed.

Cheaper to but than a m3 speccd to that spec...

Oh and did you see what a simple tune can do

https://youtu.be/Rp8-Rv6cbdM

[CorvetteConvert]

No M car should weigh 2 tonnnes before options.

[HoHoHo]

CorvetteConvert said:

No M car should weigh 2 tonnnes before options.

Wow, you really have a bee in your bonnet don't ya

oh, and it doesn't weigh 2 tonnes before options if we're being picky

Edited by HoHoHo on Friday 14th August 07:30

[likesachange]

it's well in line with the weight of all categories of cars.

Hot hatches have doubled in weight, family saloons have increased in weight over same period as have super saloons.

As someone mentioned M cars have always been the heaviest variant but also the quickest why wouldn't the m5.
A 5 series has never tried to be a nimble sports car

[HoHoHo]

CorvetteConvert said:

No M car should weigh 2 tonnnes before options.

To quote Evo and I suspect they know what they're talking about and far more than some posters on here.....

Evo said:

This M5 is an altogether more refined machine than the E60 version, but it still boasts class-leading dynamics and a degree of agility that sits completely at odds with the near two-tonne kerb weight. Whereas the current generation M3 and M4 models are less than convincing in their dynamic make-up, the M5 is perfectly judged.

and....

Evo said:

‘The M5 has long been the definitive super saloon and this latest version is no exception. It is everything that we love about M-cars – fast, fun to drive, great to look at and lovely to be sat in.

‘It doesn’t quite have the same ‘four-door supercar’ feel of the previous E60 model, but it is altogether more useable as an everyday car and buyers love it for that.’ Dan Prosser, road test editor.

As I've said previously, one should judge it for what it is, not what one thinks it should be.

[Leins]

likesachange said:

As someone mentioned M cars have always been the heaviest variant but also the quickest why wouldn't the m5

Just out of interest, anyone know what an E34 540i weighs? I'm just wondering if it's heavier than an E34 3.8

[E65Ross]

Leins said:

likesachange said:

As someone mentioned M cars have always been the heaviest variant but also the quickest why wouldn't the m5

Just out of interest, anyone know what an E34 540i weighs? I'm just wondering if it's heavier than an E34 3.8

The E34 M5 is 50kgs heavier than a 540i according to carfolio.

So once again the M car isn't the lightweight version everyone seems to think..... It's heavier despite having 2 cylinders less.

[HoHoHo]

Leins said:

likesachange said:

As someone mentioned M cars have always been the heaviest variant but also the quickest why wouldn't the m5

Just out of interest, anyone know what an E34 540i weighs? I'm just wondering if it's heavier than an E34 3.8

I can only find the Touring and that's 1,765kg

[Leins]

HoHoHo said:

I can only find the Touring and that's 1,765kg

E65Ross said:

The E34 M5 is 50kgs heavier than a 540i according to carfolio.

So once again the M car isn't the lightweight version everyone seems to think..... It's heavier despite having 2 cylinders less.

Aha, thanks. I know my M5 is heavy - the seats must way more than my sofa at home - but surprised the 4L V8 model is lighter all the same

[Lowtimer]

Straight sixes are inherently heavy for their capacity. Often the crankshaft alone is a massive weight, they have a lot of torsional vibration and potential 'whip' along their length to absorb. V-configured engines tend to be lighter then in-line ones of similar capacity.

[Leins]

Lowtimer said:

Straight sixes are inherently heavy for their capacity. Often the crankshaft alone is a massive weight, they have a lot of torsional vibration and potential 'whip' along their length to absorb. V-configured engines tend to be lighter then in-line ones of similar capacity.

Interesting, thanks, I was led by just the capacity difference and extra cylinders

I can't remember if 540is came with EDC suspension even on the rear, but suspect not, so there's more weight in the M5. Having had my master slave cylinder give up the ghost last month I know these cars are heavy when you have to push them

[CorvetteConvert]

HoHoHo said:

Wow, you really have a bee in your bonnet don't ya

oh, and it doesn't weigh 2 tonnes before options if we're being picky

Edited by HoHoHo on Friday 14th August 07:30

Yup i do, it's a missed opportunity and since they are worth £37K after 3 years when listing at £73K new other people clearly think they are not the real deal AND since they are amazing in every other respect i guess being fat does go against it!
:-)

[CorvetteConvert]

Also it's lard arse weight ensures a rare thing. An M model being slower than the model down the range!
CAN you imagine BMW allowing the new M2 to kick the arse of the M4, the next coupe up? Nah!
Yet and this might surprise many readers here, the M4 is quicker than the M5 0 to 60, quicker 0 to 100, quicker 50-70, quicker 30-70, better on fuel and it stops quicker.

[HoHoHo]

CorvetteConvert said:

Also it's lard arse weight ensures a rare thing. An M model being slower than the model down the range!
CAN you imagine BMW allowing the new M2 to kick the arse of the M4, the next coupe up? Nah!
Yet and this might surprise many readers here, the M4 is quicker than the M5 0 to 60, quicker 0 to 100, quicker 50-70, quicker 30-70, better on fuel and it stops quicker.

But the build quality and carrying ability isn't as great.

Having just traveled 2500 miles in Europe in mine with a wife and two young children, two reasonable cases full of clothes, three tennis rackets, 3 sets of fins and snorkels, table tennis bats, drone, large camera bag (weighs 30kg itself) full of kit, laptop, 55 DVD's for the journey (if not actually 55 it looked like 55 DVD's!). Several bags of shoes and food to keep a 5 year old and 10 year old happy on the journey I know which car I'd rather be in even if it is slightly slower

[HoHoHo]

CorvetteConvert said:

Also it's lard arse weight ensures a rare thing. An M model being slower than the model down the range!
CAN you imagine BMW allowing the new M2 to kick the arse of the M4, the next coupe up? Nah!
Yet and this might surprise many readers here, the M4 is quicker than the M5 0 to 60, quicker 0 to 100, quicker 50-70, quicker 30-70, better on fuel and it stops quicker.

fastestlaps said:

2013 F10 M5 - performance = 3/5 stars

Max speed 306 kph (189.72 mph)
0 - 40 kph 1.4 s
0 - 80 kph 3.1 s
0 - 100 kph 3.9 s
0 - 130 kph 5.8 s
0 - 180 kph 9.7 s
0 - 200 kph 11.7 s
0 - 60 mph 3.7 s
0 - 100 mph 7.8 s
0 - 150 mph 18.3 s
1000 m 21.3 s @ 255 kph
1/4 mile 11.9 s @ 122 mph
0 - 100 - 0 mph 13.6 s

fastestlaps said:

2014 M4 - performance 1/5 stars

Max speed 280 kph (173.6 mph)
0 - 40 kph 1.4 s
0 - 50 kph 1.7 s
0 - 80 kph 3.2 s
0 - 100 kph 4.0 s
0 - 180 kph 10.5 s
0 - 200 kph 12.9 s
0 - 250 kph 21.9 s
0 - 60 mph 3.9 s
0 - 100 mph 8.5 s
0 - 150 mph 20.6 s
1000 m 21.8 s
1/4 mile 12.0 s @ 119 mph

Seems some disagree with the M4 being faster than the M5

In fact he M4 is quite a lot slower to 150mph........

So the M5 is still the bigger, heavier and faster big brother