RE: BMW M5 30 Jahre: Driven
Discussion
Echo bodie's comments. Having spent plenty of time in my friends one its a pretty competent car that you wouldnt get bored of. The power delivery is hillarious and the noise is not that bad, well to be fair his has an Eisenmann exhaust on it and sounds bloody fanastic in and out of the car.
It does address one of the major problems of the E60 M5, you had to drive that really hard to get it moving. With the F10 its fast all of the time.
A 1-2 year old one at £45k is a bargain!
It does address one of the major problems of the E60 M5, you had to drive that really hard to get it moving. With the F10 its fast all of the time.
A 1-2 year old one at £45k is a bargain!
hwajones said:
£7,395 for M Carbon Ceramic brakes, £6,890 for M performance exhaust system with Carbon Fibre tailpipe finishers
What an abysmal waste of £14,285!
What persuades customers to spec stuff like this?
The standard exhaust and brakes are more than amazing enough!
CCB are expensive on any car - and the cost difference narrows the longer you keep the car for.What an abysmal waste of £14,285!
What persuades customers to spec stuff like this?
The standard exhaust and brakes are more than amazing enough!
The M perf exhaust is just the rebranded titanium Akrapovich system fitted and warranted by BMW - no doubt with some markup - but again its never a cheap item however you look at it. I think just the CF tailpipe finishers are over a grand.
As you say, the standard items are more than adequate so one has a choice between 'saving' £14k or spending extravagantly on extras. I chose the former personally but I don't think the above items are grossly excessive.
Edited by theboss on Wednesday 5th August 11:56
Had mine since new (not the 30 year just the normal F10 M5) and I'm currently in Italy having driven down with my family for a holiday.
23000 miles from new (in just over 20 months) and I've enjoyed everyone of them. It simply ticks every box for me, extremely fast and capable, comfortable and as standard with quite a few toys, I only added 20" wheels and sun protection glass. Aside from that it has everything you need in a modern car. Servicing costs are not expensive (yet) and tyres are cheaper than you might think (4 MPSS for £800 fitted next week)
To compare a 520D, 530D or even a 535D simply isn't comparing apples with apples, the car may well look similar from the outside (albeit I think the M5 does look more agressive) but under the skin I'm told it's all M and there are few shared parts, it's what the M division do, they take a car and make into something special rather than simply colour code a brake calliper.
The engine note through the speaker is something I've never noticed and neither have any occupants that have had a ride. They certainly don't sit inside and go wow, that noise is s
t, they go wow this is incredible, fast, how it handles but mainly comment on the way it stops, which is something to behold. I went from 100mph to 0 the other day it took a friend some minutes to stop laughing, it was shockingly fast with little or intervention from electrickery.
Is it everyone's cup of tea? No of course not it's never going to be but if you want a car that can take you to Tesco via Goodwood (and yes it will track albeit again there are better cars if that floats your boat) and then to Italy in complete comfort whilst keeping up with any other form of serious machinery and whilst I think about it cruising at 75mph and still returning 28mpg then this is the car for you.
What will I get next - well it's either an M6 or another M5, the package is just perfect I just need to decide if I want 2 or 4 doors.
During this break I'll be racking up between 2500-3000 miles over two and half weeks and it's the perfect place to do that mileage.
Apologies for any spelling errors this was written on an iphone.
Edited to add I know the 30 Year car has some nice goodies on it, different wheels and tweaked suspension etc. but I'm not sure personally I'd pay an additional £30,000 or so more than my car cost, the standard M5 is that good.
And for those of you who doubt or have never been in one, try to blag a ride. Make sure you go in with an open mind and you'll be pleasantly surprised I'm sure
23000 miles from new (in just over 20 months) and I've enjoyed everyone of them. It simply ticks every box for me, extremely fast and capable, comfortable and as standard with quite a few toys, I only added 20" wheels and sun protection glass. Aside from that it has everything you need in a modern car. Servicing costs are not expensive (yet) and tyres are cheaper than you might think (4 MPSS for £800 fitted next week)
To compare a 520D, 530D or even a 535D simply isn't comparing apples with apples, the car may well look similar from the outside (albeit I think the M5 does look more agressive) but under the skin I'm told it's all M and there are few shared parts, it's what the M division do, they take a car and make into something special rather than simply colour code a brake calliper.
The engine note through the speaker is something I've never noticed and neither have any occupants that have had a ride. They certainly don't sit inside and go wow, that noise is s
t, they go wow this is incredible, fast, how it handles but mainly comment on the way it stops, which is something to behold. I went from 100mph to 0 the other day it took a friend some minutes to stop laughing, it was shockingly fast with little or intervention from electrickery.Is it everyone's cup of tea? No of course not it's never going to be but if you want a car that can take you to Tesco via Goodwood (and yes it will track albeit again there are better cars if that floats your boat) and then to Italy in complete comfort whilst keeping up with any other form of serious machinery and whilst I think about it cruising at 75mph and still returning 28mpg then this is the car for you.
What will I get next - well it's either an M6 or another M5, the package is just perfect I just need to decide if I want 2 or 4 doors.
During this break I'll be racking up between 2500-3000 miles over two and half weeks and it's the perfect place to do that mileage.
Apologies for any spelling errors this was written on an iphone.
Edited to add I know the 30 Year car has some nice goodies on it, different wheels and tweaked suspension etc. but I'm not sure personally I'd pay an additional £30,000 or so more than my car cost, the standard M5 is that good.
And for those of you who doubt or have never been in one, try to blag a ride. Make sure you go in with an open mind and you'll be pleasantly surprised I'm sure
Edited by HoHoHo on Wednesday 5th August 12:05
theboss said:
hwajones said:
£7,395 for M Carbon Ceramic brakes, £6,890 for M performance exhaust system with Carbon Fibre tailpipe finishers
What an abysmal waste of £14,285!
What persuades customers to spec stuff like this?
The standard exhaust and brakes are more than amazing enough!
CCB are expensive on any car - and the cost difference narrows the longer you keep the car for.What an abysmal waste of £14,285!
What persuades customers to spec stuff like this?
The standard exhaust and brakes are more than amazing enough!
The M perf exhaust is just the rebranded titanium Akrapovich system fitted and warranted by BMW - no doubt with some markup - but again its never a cheap item however you look at it. I think just the CF tailpipe finishers are over a grand.
Options make sense lower down the range but not at the very top and not when lets face it, your buying a mass produced German taxi, all be it a very fast one (which I am sure is an amzing drive though I have never been in one)
Gecko1978 said:
theboss said:
hwajones said:
£7,395 for M Carbon Ceramic brakes, £6,890 for M performance exhaust system with Carbon Fibre tailpipe finishers
What an abysmal waste of £14,285!
What persuades customers to spec stuff like this?
The standard exhaust and brakes are more than amazing enough!
CCB are expensive on any car - and the cost difference narrows the longer you keep the car for.What an abysmal waste of £14,285!
What persuades customers to spec stuff like this?
The standard exhaust and brakes are more than amazing enough!
The M perf exhaust is just the rebranded titanium Akrapovich system fitted and warranted by BMW - no doubt with some markup - but again its never a cheap item however you look at it. I think just the CF tailpipe finishers are over a grand.
Options make sense lower down the range but not at the very top and not when lets face it, your buying a mass produced German taxi, all be it a very fast one (which I am sure is an amzing drive though I have never been in one)
You could have the same options including CCB and fancy exhaust added to a normal CP M5 for somewhere between £85-90k, or you could have a 'base' spec M5 with a mere 560bhp for nearer £60k taking into account discounts which you won't get on the limited edition.
Essentially the 'same' car (and I'm talking M5, disregarding normal 5-series altogether) can be specced over a massive price range.
I agree anyone walking into a dealer and paying £113k for this example is nuts - but somebody paying £60-90k for a regular car with whichever options they choose to add, is getting a serious bit of kit.
I can only echo the post above by HoHoHo - I'm 12k miles into mine and think its perfect for what I do. Its exceeded every expectation.
I find the widespread PH hatred towards these cars rather baffling if I'm honest.
RB Will said:
People take the piss out of people who lease but my friend is on his 2nd one of these now. He gets special rates working for BMW so is paying £570 a month!
Car value £84k
18month lease for him = £10,260
His last one sold 2nd hand via a BMW dealer for £46k
so by leasing saved himself £28k!
He may have saved himself a further £28k by not buying, but he's still down ten grand in a year and a half not including running costs, insurance and petrol and has nothing to show for it. That to me is too much money to essentially rent a car, but if he's well off and he can afford the loss then go for it!Car value £84k
18month lease for him = £10,260
His last one sold 2nd hand via a BMW dealer for £46k
so by leasing saved himself £28k!
I think the M5 is an awesome car let down but a lack of drama.
It's great to look at, great inside, very fast but sounds dull and as with the M3/M4 fake noise is pitiful. They lack a sense of occasion which couldn't be said about the new C63 nor the E63.
AMG have proven that you can make good noise without fake sounds being pumped through the speakers with both the 5.5V8 TT and the 4.0 V8 TT.
This is a major issue (in my opinion with BMW) and it's the key thing (as an ex C63 owner) that puts me off getting either an M5 or M3/M4.
Even thought the 30 Jahre model is out of reach for most, a 'normal' M5 can be had on lease for crazy low prices. When I got my 640d I was offer an M5 for £600 per month (6 months down) over 3 years (10k miles).
It's great to look at, great inside, very fast but sounds dull and as with the M3/M4 fake noise is pitiful. They lack a sense of occasion which couldn't be said about the new C63 nor the E63.
AMG have proven that you can make good noise without fake sounds being pumped through the speakers with both the 5.5V8 TT and the 4.0 V8 TT.
This is a major issue (in my opinion with BMW) and it's the key thing (as an ex C63 owner) that puts me off getting either an M5 or M3/M4.
Even thought the 30 Jahre model is out of reach for most, a 'normal' M5 can be had on lease for crazy low prices. When I got my 640d I was offer an M5 for £600 per month (6 months down) over 3 years (10k miles).
GTEYE said:
theboss said:
I find the widespread PH hatred towards these cars rather baffling if I'm honest.
+1 A curious country, the UK. Heaven knows what some "outsiders" would make of some of these comments on a site apparently for car enthusiasts....
Envy is not an attractive trait.
Yet you come to share your enthusiasm on the forum and would get a better reception from a thousand gnashing mumsnetters all menstruating in perfect harmony.
theboss said:
GTEYE said:
theboss said:
I find the widespread PH hatred towards these cars rather baffling if I'm honest.
+1 A curious country, the UK. Heaven knows what some "outsiders" would make of some of these comments on a site apparently for car enthusiasts....
Envy is not an attractive trait.
Yet you come to share your enthusiasm on the forum and would get a better reception from a thousand gnashing mumsnetters all menstruating in perfect harmony.
In Italy again I've had thumbs up from other drivers (and some on bikes) and grilled by a garage attendant about the car and how good it is.
I tend to think those who criticise the car do so simply because they are anti-BMW or can't think of anything better to say.
theboss said:
I find the widespread PH hatred towards these cars rather baffling if I'm honest.
This comments section reminds me of the one after PH first drove the F80 M3 - a press car loaded with as many options as possible, which pushed the price north of £70k. There seemed to be a distinct split between those who had driven one and those who hadn't ("look at what you can buy second hand for £70k" / "enhanced engine noise is the worst thing to ever happen").I was lucky enough to drive a standard non-CCB F10 M5 at Brands Hatch. Seriously impressive how quickly it accelerated for something with so much mass. There was no doubt it stopped well too, but you still had to hit the pedal well behind where the marshals had put the cones for the braking point! As a road car, I think it's hugely desirable.
PS. Dan, respect for getting a "Bro, you even lift?" sub-heading into the article. Less so for "comprising of", which always annoys me more than it should.
Joeguard1990 said:
mackay45 said:
Why is spending £7k on an exhaust stupid?
Because if you read the actual review it states the sound of the car wasn't impressive at all, which would suggest the premium exhaust system is a waste...Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff