RE: BMW M5 30 Jahre: Driven

RE: BMW M5 30 Jahre: Driven

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simundo777

131 posts

170 months

Wednesday 5th August 2015
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sege said:
Good honest sounding review.
It looks huge. I bet those wheels are 18"+ but they look too small for the car. Ridiculous.
What are you looking at? They are 20" wheels and look perfectly proportioned in my opinion.

SirSquidalot

4,039 posts

164 months

Wednesday 5th August 2015
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I do adore the F10 M5 but the 30 Jahre seems to be ridiculously over priced!

Base trim £91k

Wouldn't you rather buy a nearly new standard car for around £60k this one for me!

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...

Then the £30k left would go to:

Ecu Flash
Louder Exhaust
Suspension tuning

Probably have about £20k left. I'm all for M special editions but this ones a little daftly priced.






Fluffsri

3,161 posts

195 months

Wednesday 5th August 2015
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£6,890 for M performance exhaust system with Carbon Fibre tailpipe finishers


Is it just me or this a ridiculus amount for an exhaust????

joscal

2,072 posts

199 months

Wednesday 5th August 2015
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Completely ridiculous!

-Z-

5,980 posts

205 months

Wednesday 5th August 2015
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Gecko1978 said:
so I pay £91k for the best M5 ever and then there are another 20k of options to add...even have to pay for sun protection, and automatic boot lid and rear cameras. This sort of thing is standard on most well speced ford Focus now.

I will never understand buying top spec model and trhen being told well its £20k more if yoyu actually want it to feel top spec.

Ferrari do this and I think to an extent each car is so unique I can see why, but BMW M5 they sell 20,000 of them and god knows how many 5 series etc which will have same parts etc.
The M5 as standard is one of the best equipped cars on sale. Seriously take a look at the spec before commenting.

-Z-

5,980 posts

205 months

Wednesday 5th August 2015
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Fluffsri said:
£6,890 for M performance exhaust system with Carbon Fibre tailpipe finishers


Is it just me or this a ridiculus amount for an exhaust????
Blame Akropovic, who make the thing.

moffat

1,020 posts

224 months

Wednesday 5th August 2015
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HoHoHo said:
I tend to think those who criticise the car do so simply because they are anti-BMW or can't think of anything better to say.
I don't agree at all. The car isn't perfect so there is always going to be something to criticise. In the case of the M5 and all M cars out now is the lack of noise and the added fake noise.

I've got the fake noise in my 640d which is acceptable in a tractor diesel but in an M car it's not. AMG don't do it and more importantly don't need to do it.

For me the noise is an important element when buying a car like an M3 or M5. I got the C63 for the pure sense of occasion when just starting up that glorious V8. Thankfully losing 2.2 litres and adding twin turbo's hasn't meant that the new C63 has lost it's amazing noise (well not much anyway).

Why can't BMW make the engines and exhaust note sound better - stock?

Oh and I am certainly not anti-BMW.

hertfordshire1

142 posts

186 months

Wednesday 5th August 2015
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No doubt in years to come these will hold a premium over the standard F10s (which depreciate by the minute)....

Try finding a e34 20 Jahre or e60 25 Jahre that is priced the same as a standard or optioned car?

I agree that options on what is meant to be a top spec car is silly, although I do note that the 30 Jahre comes with some options as standard (split fold rears seats for example!!)

I've driven every type of M5.

e28
e34 - saloon (3.6 and 3.8 5/6speed) and touring
e39
e60 / e61
F10

Its easy to see that they share the same DNA - taking a standard BMW 5 series and make it perform like a sports car (of its time).
There wasn't much between the e34 and various Ferraris of the early 90s and the same can be said for the F10.

Modern cars are packed with technology - I like that, enjoy the convenience of having a 560 BHP 5 series that can cart the family around while streaming spotify in comfort, while the HUD navigates a route (with live traffic updates).
Old cars are not packed with technology - I like that also, enjoy the uninterrupted driving experience (albeit at slower speeds) and simpleness of just driving a car..

My own cars 1993 and 2015 M5s are very different - but to my eyes very similar too.

Cheers

Steve

belfarm

10 posts

115 months

Wednesday 5th August 2015
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More than £110k????????? You're taking the P*ss right? For an M5?? Surely cutting to the chase of "completely missing the point" of big fast "wolf in sheep's clothing" (Ok I'm stretching it a bit!) saloons.........................

Gecko1978

9,603 posts

156 months

Wednesday 5th August 2015
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theboss said:
Gecko1978 said:
theboss said:
hwajones said:
£7,395 for M Carbon Ceramic brakes, £6,890 for M performance exhaust system with Carbon Fibre tailpipe finishers

What an abysmal waste of £14,285!
What persuades customers to spec stuff like this?

The standard exhaust and brakes are more than amazing enough!
CCB are expensive on any car - and the cost difference narrows the longer you keep the car for.

The M perf exhaust is just the rebranded titanium Akrapovich system fitted and warranted by BMW - no doubt with some markup - but again its never a cheap item however you look at it. I think just the CF tailpipe finishers are over a grand.
To me its not that they charge 7k for brakes etc (did not Nissan ask for £30k for CCB on a GTR). Its more the fact its an M5 and to top it off the Top spec M5, limited edition etc. So I walk in buy it but just as I am about to sign they say oh wait it dosn't have x y or z. Really I just dont get it its the top model why not charge 113k basic price and give the customer all that stuff.

Options make sense lower down the range but not at the very top and not when lets face it, your buying a mass produced German taxi, all be it a very fast one (which I am sure is an amzing drive though I have never been in one)
I think the problem with this car is the fact that the 30 year limited edition badge and extra 25bhp (over the normal M5 with competition pack) is adding £25-30k to the price tag.

You could have the same options including CCB and fancy exhaust added to a normal CP M5 for somewhere between £85-90k, or you could have a 'base' spec M5 with a mere 560bhp for nearer £60k taking into account discounts which you won't get on the limited edition.

Essentially the 'same' car (and I'm talking M5, disregarding normal 5-series altogether) can be specced over a massive price range.

I agree anyone walking into a dealer and paying £113k for this example is nuts - but somebody paying £60-90k for a regular car with whichever options they choose to add, is getting a serious bit of kit.

I can only echo the post above by HoHoHo - I'm 12k miles into mine and think its perfect for what I do. Its exceeded every expectation.

I find the widespread PH hatred towards these cars rather baffling if I'm honest.
I think we agree its not that there are options etc and its not trashing what will be an amazing car. Its simply the fact it is the very best of the M5 range and yet still another 20k to make it the best they can do when in fact for 60k as has been said you get basically same thing.

Gecko1978

9,603 posts

156 months

Wednesday 5th August 2015
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-Z- said:
Gecko1978 said:
so I pay £91k for the best M5 ever and then there are another 20k of options to add...even have to pay for sun protection, and automatic boot lid and rear cameras. This sort of thing is standard on most well speced ford Focus now.

I will never understand buying top spec model and trhen being told well its £20k more if yoyu actually want it to feel top spec.

Ferrari do this and I think to an extent each car is so unique I can see why, but BMW M5 they sell 20,000 of them and god knows how many 5 series etc which will have same parts etc.
The M5 as standard is one of the best equipped cars on sale. Seriously take a look at the spec before commenting.
the article states extras fitted include automatic boot lid...so where have I gone wrong?.

My comment is not the M5 is rubbish, I suspect its really really good (I have never even sat in one hence I assume its really really good as they sold 20,000). My point is more if I go to buy the very best of the best car in the range then to have to pay extra for a automatic boot lid which many cars have as standard seems to take the pee. If its a 30 year specail why not add every option. Why not add CCB etc and a delimit to 190. Make it 113k base spec instead of 91K etc.

Did most owners of M5's consider price first (I doubt that) but to get car you want and be asked for an extra 20k when you thought you had the best of the best seems odd.

I prefer what many firms do and its divide the models etc so you get your Generic1 Generic2 Generic2 + and Generic 3 sport etc. An the options are limited to 1, 2 and 2+ because your sport 3 has everything.

Guvernator

13,105 posts

164 months

Wednesday 5th August 2015
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RB Will said:
It does address one of the major problems of the E60 M5, you had to drive that really hard to get it moving. With the F10 its fast all of the time.
Major problem, really?? A car with 500bhp and 380 lb ft hard to get moving? Sorry to have to say this but that's complete tosh. I've driven the E60 extensively, it NEVER felt less than ballistic and sounded fantastic doing it too.

It's statements like this which mean we've gone from the absolutely sublime V10 in the E60 to the muted and uncharismatic lump in F10.

RB Will

9,662 posts

239 months

Wednesday 5th August 2015
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Guvernator said:
RB Will said:
It does address one of the major problems of the E60 M5, you had to drive that really hard to get it moving. With the F10 its fast all of the time.
Major problem, really?? A car with 500bhp and 380 lb ft hard to get moving? Sorry to have to say this but that's complete tosh. I've driven the E60 extensively, it NEVER felt less than ballistic and sounded fantastic doing it too.

It's statements like this which mean we've gone from the absolutely sublime V10 in the E60 to the muted and uncharismatic lump in F10.
the E60 is 500bhp/380lbft @ 7.5-8000rpm

at 5000rpm its only 320bhp/300lbft which aint a lot to get a 1850kg car moving quickly and most of the time you would be driving below that eg at normal cruising revs 3-3.5K you have 170bhp and 260lbft

the F10 is about 470bhp/470lbft @ 5000rpm it has more torque at 2.5k rpm than the E60 has at peak. This makes it go a lot faster a lot easier.



Joeguard1990 said:
RB Will said:
People take the piss out of people who lease but my friend is on his 2nd one of these now. He gets special rates working for BMW so is paying £570 a month!

Car value £84k

18month lease for him = £10,260

His last one sold 2nd hand via a BMW dealer for £46k

so by leasing saved himself £28k!
He may have saved himself a further £28k by not buying, but he's still down ten grand in a year and a half not including running costs, insurance and petrol and has nothing to show for it. That to me is too much money to essentially rent a car, but if he's well off and he can afford the loss then go for it!
I dont understand your point? after 18 month lease he is down £10K + running costs

Someone who bought the car and traded in after 18 months is down £38K + running costs

neither person has a car to show for it. What am I missing??? My mate is taking 1/3 the loss of a normal buyer.

Lowtimer

4,286 posts

167 months

Wednesday 5th August 2015
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Gecko1978 said:
My point is more if I go to buy the very best of the best car in the range then to have to pay extra for a automatic boot lid which many cars have as standard seems to take the pee.
Seriously, I can see why short-arses want powered tailgates on Range Rovers and other lofty estates, as they can be a stretch to reach for some people. I even had one myself on a Honda Accord estate some years ago and Mrs LT was grateful for it. But what is the purpose of an automatic boot lid on a saloon?

theboss

6,878 posts

218 months

Wednesday 5th August 2015
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Lowtimer said:
Gecko1978 said:
My point is more if I go to buy the very best of the best car in the range then to have to pay extra for a automatic boot lid which many cars have as standard seems to take the pee.
Seriously, I can see why short-arses want powered tailgates on Range Rovers and other lofty estates, as they can be a stretch to reach for some people. I even had one myself on a Honda Accord estate some years ago and Mrs LT was grateful for it. But what is the purpose of an automatic boot lid on a saloon?
Don't knock them - they are handy smile

It's a rather misleading option because, as I understand it, the standard bootlid still opens electrically - the option provides the automatic / powered closing mechanism.

I only realised that after I ordered mine (with the option). In hindsight I probably would not have bothered.

It's also caused me grief a few times because passengers/others have retrieved stuff from the boot and then completely faffed about trying to close it.

Quickmoose

4,482 posts

122 months

Wednesday 5th August 2015
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Clearly an auto boot opening function is naff and pointless beyond comprehension on a car like this.
The point, if I have it right, is...this is a 30 year celebration special.
If it's on the options list it should have it as standard.
untick it if you want, choose your colour, pay the laughable cost, that should be all.

theboss

6,878 posts

218 months

Wednesday 5th August 2015
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Quickmoose said:
Clearly an auto boot opening function is naff and pointless beyond comprehension on a car like this.
The point, if I have it right, is...this is a 30 year celebration special.
If it's on the options list it should have it as standard.
untick it if you want, choose your colour, pay the laughable cost, that should be all.
Pointless beyond comprehension? I've had them on several cars now and think they are handy. Walk up to car with hands full (suitcase in one and a bunch of hung shirts in another) and you can open the boot on approaching without touching it. Particularly useful in the winter when the arse end of the car is caked in filth. Why is that naff? I use mine daily and am glad to have it.

Whatsmore its standard fitment on this and probably every other 5, 6 and 7-series so BMW are hardly going to remove it for the M5.

Gandahar

9,600 posts

127 months

Wednesday 5th August 2015
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Perhaps the next one will be 2.2 tonnes with a powered bonnet and 700bhp. There does seem to be a rush to excess again with the German manufacturers on the power and gadget front now the turbo's have removed a ceiling.

I don't actually think you can go back to the good old days with these things though, it seems to be a one way street ( or cul de sac if you are being unkind ).

It's this argument again whether you spend lots of money on one car that attempts to do everything or spend it on two cars that have specialties, in this case an Alpina 5 series diesel and say a 2 door lightweight for instance.




Quickmoose

4,482 posts

122 months

Wednesday 5th August 2015
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theboss said:
Pointless beyond comprehension? I've had them on several cars now and think they are handy. Walk up to car with hands full (suitcase in one and a bunch of hung shirts in another) and you can open the boot on approaching without touching it. Particularly useful in the winter when the arse end of the car is caked in filth. Why is that naff? I use mine daily and am glad to have it.

Whatsmore its standard fitment on this and probably every other 5, 6 and 7-series so BMW are hardly going to remove it for the M5.
Well to each is own right?
Never had an issue with with a boot that opens at click of the fob, some people just appreciate having everything done for them...I'm mean really carry my own bags and shirts? the very idea.

It's as naff as electric windows that go up and down slower than old windy ones and offer more oportunity for failure. Just guff for guff's sake.
I say neighbour, your 520D not doing this?! you should work harder my man.

It's meant to be a balls out supersaloon, not an S-class rivalling luxo barge....
Market has changed clearly.

theotherJamie

544 posts

225 months

Wednesday 5th August 2015
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Leather Door Panels, Leather Center Console, Full Trunk Carpeting, Air Conditioning, Power Windows, Power Sunroof, Power Seats, Cruise Control, On-Board Computer, Central Locking......

all in the 1985 E28 M5!

They've always been a luxurious car with a powerful engine not the stripped out racer that those with rose tinted glasses seem to remember.