How to overtake cyclists video
Discussion
Europa1 said:
Mr GrimNasty said:
otolith said:
It means as much space as a small car occupies, not as much clearance as you give a car.
NO it doesn't. 
OK. So we have two possible interpretations. Either it means "overtake so they have as much space as a car has" or it means "overtake with the gap you leave to a car".
Look at the gap there between the cyclist and the car.
If that was the gap you had to leave when you overtake a car, you would never overtake a car on a single carriageway. The road would not be wide enough.
So it does not, cannot, mean leave the same gap.
The Cyclists also have a highway code and its amazing how many dont do the following especially c. as the amount of fake peloton's I encounter is incredible
No.66
You should
a.keep both hands on the handlebars except when signalling or changing gear
b.keep both feet on the pedals
c._never ride more than two abreast, and ride in single file on narrow or busy roads and when riding round bends
d.not ride close behind another vehicle__
e.not carry anything which will affect your balance or may get tangled up with your wheels or chain
a.be considerate of other road users, particularly blind and partially sighted pedestrians. Let them know you are there when necessary, for example, by ringing your bell if you have one. It is recommended that a bell be fitted.
Basically take of each other out there and pay attention
No.66
You should
a.keep both hands on the handlebars except when signalling or changing gear
b.keep both feet on the pedals
c._never ride more than two abreast, and ride in single file on narrow or busy roads and when riding round bends
d.not ride close behind another vehicle__
e.not carry anything which will affect your balance or may get tangled up with your wheels or chain
a.be considerate of other road users, particularly blind and partially sighted pedestrians. Let them know you are there when necessary, for example, by ringing your bell if you have one. It is recommended that a bell be fitted.
Basically take of each other out there and pay attention
otolith said:
Luckily, the nice people in the government have provided a picture for people who have trouble understanding the text.
OK. So we have two possible interpretations. Either it means "overtake so they have as much space as a car has" or it means "overtake with the gap you leave to a car".
Look at the gap there between the cyclist and the car.
If that was the gap you had to leave when you overtake a car, you would never overtake a car on a single carriageway. The road would not be wide enough.
So it does not, cannot, mean leave the same gap.
Seems perfectly logical but it doesn't advise as to when to shout 'put your fOK. So we have two possible interpretations. Either it means "overtake so they have as much space as a car has" or it means "overtake with the gap you leave to a car".
Look at the gap there between the cyclist and the car.
If that was the gap you had to leave when you overtake a car, you would never overtake a car on a single carriageway. The road would not be wide enough.
So it does not, cannot, mean leave the same gap.
king mouth shut' though?otolith said:
Luckily, the nice people in the government have provided a picture for people who have trouble understanding the text.
OK. So we have two possible interpretations. Either it means "overtake so they have as much space as a car has" or it means "overtake with the gap you leave to a car".
Look at the gap there between the cyclist and the car.
If that was the gap you had to leave when you overtake a car, you would never overtake a car on a single carriageway. The road would not be wide enough.
So it does not, cannot, mean leave the same gap.
The Highway Code is, in this instance, ambiguous in my opinion.OK. So we have two possible interpretations. Either it means "overtake so they have as much space as a car has" or it means "overtake with the gap you leave to a car".
Look at the gap there between the cyclist and the car.
If that was the gap you had to leave when you overtake a car, you would never overtake a car on a single carriageway. The road would not be wide enough.
So it does not, cannot, mean leave the same gap.
It says "give cyclists at least as much room as you would when overtaking a car"
Referring to the photo, if you were overtaking a car on that road, instead of a cyclist, would you have your nearside wheels on the centre white lines?
Puddenchucker said:
otolith said:
Luckily, the nice people in the government have provided a picture for people who have trouble understanding the text.
OK. So we have two possible interpretations. Either it means "overtake so they have as much space as a car has" or it means "overtake with the gap you leave to a car".
Look at the gap there between the cyclist and the car.
If that was the gap you had to leave when you overtake a car, you would never overtake a car on a single carriageway. The road would not be wide enough.
So it does not, cannot, mean leave the same gap.
The Highway Code is, in this instance, ambiguous in my opinion.OK. So we have two possible interpretations. Either it means "overtake so they have as much space as a car has" or it means "overtake with the gap you leave to a car".
Look at the gap there between the cyclist and the car.
If that was the gap you had to leave when you overtake a car, you would never overtake a car on a single carriageway. The road would not be wide enough.
So it does not, cannot, mean leave the same gap.
It says "give cyclists at least as much room as you would when overtaking a car"
Referring to the photo, if you were overtaking a car on that road, instead of a cyclist, would you have your nearside wheels on the centre white lines?
monthefish said:
Surely if you give the outside cyclist 'as much space as a small car occupies' you would be off the road/in the verge on the other side of the road.
e.g. on the following poster, put the bike just to the left of the white line (as they often are), if the car gives the cyclist the requested amount of space, he's off the road on the RHS
Treat a cyclist like a car, i.e. imagine they are the width of a car. Simple.e.g. on the following poster, put the bike just to the left of the white line (as they often are), if the car gives the cyclist the requested amount of space, he's off the road on the RHS
If they want to ride further towards the middle of the road or two abreast, they are making a choice to be passed more closely. Simple.
Johnnytheboy said:
Treat a cyclist like a car, i.e. imagine they are the width of a car. Simple.
If they want to ride further towards the middle of the road or two abreast, they are making a choice to be passed more closely. Simple.
Exactly. If you are over towards the right of your space, at least you have somewhere to go - even if it means you and your mate end up on the deck, better that than under the wheels. If they want to ride further towards the middle of the road or two abreast, they are making a choice to be passed more closely. Simple.
Having lived on Box Hill until 12 months ago (my parents are still there) this is a lovely rule in theory but it wouldn't work in practice. And that's usually due to them riding 3 and sometimes 4 side by side. And such huge groups (20 plus). I used to ride a lot before I started driving (DH MTB not Lycra) but we'd never ride side by side. Unfortunately the majority (there are still a number of courteous riders who know they're not as fast as a car and that they don't own the road and will signal when they see it's clear for you to pass, I'll always give them guys a thumbs up) seem to be inconsiderate aholes that think cars should just sit behind them whilst they litter the countryside with discarded energy gels and spit everywhere.
Sooner or later there will be a huge accident on Box Hill. It's inevitable.
holes that think cars should just sit behind them whilst they litter the countryside with discarded energy gels and spit everywhere. Sooner or later there will be a huge accident on Box Hill. It's inevitable.
crostonian said:
Why do cyclists expect you to give them a wide berth when you overtake them yet they are happy to undertake you with hardly any gap at all? I delight in overtaking them as closely as they've undertaken me, fairs fair and all that.
How closely are you willing to walk past a parked car?How closely are you happy with a car passing you on foot?
crostonian said:
Why do cyclists expect you to give them a wide berth when you overtake them yet they are happy to undertake you with hardly any gap at all? I delight in overtaking them as closely as they've undertaken me, fairs fair and all that.
Where's the "not sure if serious" image when it's needed?crostonian said:
Why do cyclists expect you to give them a wide berth when you overtake them yet they are happy to undertake you with hardly any gap at all? I delight in overtaking them as closely as they've undertaken me, fairs fair and all that.
Because basic physics. If you'd listened at school, you'd know this, and wouldn't have just made yourself look like an imbecile.
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