RE: Eunos Cosmo 20B Type S: Spotted
Discussion
Strawman said:
300bhp/ton said:
Maybe, although I'm not sure all of these 8 speed boxes are really any quicker or more intelligent in the grand scheme of things.
They are, it used to be an auto was a second or two slower 0-60, now they are often quicker than a traditional manual set up (where available).The only other issue is a torque converter zaps more power, so less whp with an auto. But this is still true of any car using a torque converter today, no matter how many gears it has.
ikarl said:
I'm sure I read years ago that the roof lining in these had little lights (think fibre optic) all over it....hence the name Cosmos.
I saw something similar recently on the Rolls Royce Wraith that was on tv.
Can anyone confirm?
I'm going to stick my neck out and say it's nonsense, as the car is actually called a Cosmo, and the 110S Cosmo first appeared in the late 60s, when fibre optic stuff was nowhere near as developed as of late.I saw something similar recently on the Rolls Royce Wraith that was on tv.
Can anyone confirm?
Strawman said:
300bhp/ton said:
Maybe, although I'm not sure all of these 8 speed boxes are really any quicker or more intelligent in the grand scheme of things.
They are, it used to be an auto was a second or two slower 0-60, now they are often quicker than a traditional manual set up (where available).That is so cool. The wooden strip around the dashboard looks very smart, and how plush do those seats look! Looks quite the cruiser, though the automatic 'box spoils it somewhat for me. What a curious and disappointing trend it was to have so many lovely Japanese coupes of that era equipped with those...
300bhp/ton said:
Strawman said:
300bhp/ton said:
Maybe, although I'm not sure all of these 8 speed boxes are really any quicker or more intelligent in the grand scheme of things.
They are, it used to be an auto was a second or two slower 0-60, now they are often quicker than a traditional manual set up (where available).The only other issue is a torque converter zaps more power, so less whp with an auto. But this is still true of any car using a torque converter today, no matter how many gears it has.
Add in the much more frequent use of TC lockup and controlled slip and to say that you are "not at all sure they are any quicker or more intelligent" suggests you have no experience of them, not even the basic understanding of how an automatic transmission works (especially the importance of ratio spread) combined and an irrational desire to make clunky 4 speed automatic gearboxes sound a lot less awful that they really are. This is without even going into the various dual clutch systems.
ETA:
http://craig.backfire.ca/pages/autos/transmissions
Edited by dme123 on Tuesday 18th August 19:49
FD3Si said:
ikarl said:
I'm sure I read years ago that the roof lining in these had little lights (think fibre optic) all over it....hence the name Cosmos.
I saw something similar recently on the Rolls Royce Wraith that was on tv.
Can anyone confirm?
I'm going to stick my neck out and say it's nonsense, as the car is actually called a Cosmo, and the 110S Cosmo first appeared in the late 60s, when fibre optic stuff was nowhere near as developed as of late.I saw something similar recently on the Rolls Royce Wraith that was on tv.
Can anyone confirm?
Back when Mazda were still brave - wonderful idea but why auto only FFS?
Maybe because the Japanese were into Play Stations and X-boxes before the rest of the world - the Subaru VX Coupe reported on here recently only came with a slushbox as did most Supra-turbos!
Still they did it whereas MB never released any model of C111 although I believe they did build a 3-rotor wankel - maybe potential warranty costs put them off!
Look forward to seeing where Mazda go next with their wankel......(sorry, couldn't resist)!
Maybe because the Japanese were into Play Stations and X-boxes before the rest of the world - the Subaru VX Coupe reported on here recently only came with a slushbox as did most Supra-turbos!
Still they did it whereas MB never released any model of C111 although I believe they did build a 3-rotor wankel - maybe potential warranty costs put them off!
Look forward to seeing where Mazda go next with their wankel......(sorry, couldn't resist)!
Edited by Mr Tidy on Tuesday 18th August 22:08
I love this! Only knew of the existence of these after seeing one parked regularly parked by the Morris Dancers pub near Southport when I go and see the folks. Still there I believe. Never remembered to drive past slowly enough to try and read the badges as I had no idea what it was. Assumed it was Lexus variant or Nissan of some description until some fierce internet research finally unearthed the right pic.
Autobox is a bit of a shame as the only option but does seem more of a GT.
Autobox is a bit of a shame as the only option but does seem more of a GT.
cocopop said:
LittleEnus said:
FD3Si said:
Thanks for that video, wowsers!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2Oliq1znfk
Always wished I could have seen the 787B run at Le Mans, one of the best sounding race cars IMO and of the like I doubt we'll ever see again.
cocopop said:
Good god, the noise when they start it! I need a rotary at some point...
Mr Tidy said:
Back when Mazda were still brave - wonderful idea but why auto only FFS?
Maybe because the Japanese were into Play Stations and X-boxes before the rest of the world - the Subaru VX Coupe reported on here recently only came with a slushbox as did most Supra-turbos!
Still they did it whereas MB never released any model of C111 although I believe they did build a 3-rotor wankel - maybe potential warranty costs put them off!
Look forward to seeing where Mazda go next with their wankel......(sorry, couldn't resist)!
If you have ever been to Japan you would see why auto's are so popular. This car was more like Toyota's LS400 or Honda's Legend rather than a GT type car so at the time the auto made the most sense.Maybe because the Japanese were into Play Stations and X-boxes before the rest of the world - the Subaru VX Coupe reported on here recently only came with a slushbox as did most Supra-turbos!
Still they did it whereas MB never released any model of C111 although I believe they did build a 3-rotor wankel - maybe potential warranty costs put them off!
Look forward to seeing where Mazda go next with their wankel......(sorry, couldn't resist)!
Edited by Mr Tidy on Tuesday 18th August 22:08
BricktopST205 said:
If you have ever been to Japan you would see why auto's are so popular. This car was more like Toyota's LS400 or Honda's Legend rather than a GT type car so at the time the auto made the most sense.
For me it's not that fact it's an automatic that would put me off as such, it's the fact it's a 4 speed automatic and all the penalties that entails. I imagine an engine like that could be a phenomenal match for a modern 8 speed dual clutch gearbox with rev matching though, with enough ratios and sufficient intelligence in the software to get around any low end weakness in the power band. A rotary would probably be a good match for a CVT gearbox too, if you could put up with the inevitable hoover sound.dme123 said:
Having spent a lot of time in cars with 3 and 4 speed autos, and more recent 5, 6, 7 and 8 speed autos I can say they are massively improved in gearshift times.
Do you have any stats? I'm not saying they absolutely aren't, but I would be surprised if there was much difference in the actual shifting speed. Of course this is comparing like for like, i.e. torque converter autos with torque converter autos'. Not to Nematic sequentials or DSG boxes.dme123 said:
More importantly the ratio spread of modern gearboxes is miles better than the old 4 speeders, and combined with the superb control systems you are right in the engines power band at practically any road speed.
Which was exactly my point when I mention final drive ratios. With 4 gears you get very limited choice if you want any sort of high speed cruising ability and mpg. This means a tall final drive, taller than the manual version in most cases. But with more gears on an auto, you can drop the final drive to something more suitable.dme123 said:
Add in the much more frequent use of TC lockup and controlled slip and to say that you are "not at all sure they are any quicker or more intelligent" suggests you have no experience of them, not even the basic understanding of how an automatic transmission works (especially the importance of ratio spread) combined and an irrational desire to make clunky 4 speed automatic gearboxes sound a lot less awful that they really are. This is without even going into the various dual clutch systems.
ETA:
http://craig.backfire.ca/pages/autos/transmissions
I'm reasonably well versed thanks, hence having mentioned most of your points already.ETA:
http://craig.backfire.ca/pages/autos/transmissions
Edited by dme123 on Tuesday 18th August 19:49
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