RE: Mustang vs. 370Z NISMO vs. M3: Dab of oppo(sition)

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300bhp/ton said:

And for the record, the 370z interior is fine too.



At least it isn't 'boring' like the BMW's.

Thats not the Nismo interior;)

[Quinny]

As I've said previously, I've not even seen a 2015 mustang yet, so I've no idea what the reality will be, but the interior looks ok for a car of this type and cost...

A few of the German guys on the Mustang website, also own Audis and BMW's etc and they seem to like their new cars interior so it can't be that bad......what long term durability will be like who knows....

FWIW the Nissan above looks pretty nice to me, the BMW is pretty generic looking...... Generally I like the interiors in Italian cars.... They always have something that catches the eye.

One thing I am grateful for though, is that it doesn't look like a German car interior

Edited by Quinny on Wednesday 26th August 16:47

[Stig]

Quinny said:

......what long term durability will be like who knows....

But let's face it - who keeps a car long enough to find out or care!

Personally I've never managed to 'wear out' an interior

[Quinny]

Stig said:

But let's face it - who keeps a car long enough to find out or care!

Personally I've never managed to 'wear out' an interior

Had my previous Jeep for 10 years..... And my old Griff 10 years.. the Jeep was getting a bit tired, but I sold it to a mate and he thinks it's like a Rolls Royce compared to his defender

[Crusoe]

Z4MC more exciting than the 370z and M3 for half the price.
SLK55 if you want a v8 for half the price.
Corvette Z06 if you want a better American v8 for half the price.
Maserati 4.2GT or a TVR if you want more style for half the cash.

[unpc]

For the record I have an E90 and the interior is neither quality or a visual treat. I've spent time in a 2015 Mustang and I thought it was way better. As an aside, American cars are usually far more durable than European ones even if they do often fail the touchy feely test.

[Stig]

Quinny said:

Had my previous Jeep for 10 years..... And my old Griff 10 years.. the Jeep was getting a bit tired, but I sold it to a mate and he thinks it's like a Rolls Royce compared to his defender

Had my previous Mustang for 8 years and interior was as good when I sold it as the day I bought it!

[Stig]

unpc said:

For the record I have an E90 and the interior is neither quality or a visual treat. I've spent time in a 2015 Mustang and I thought it was way better. As an aside, American cars are usually far more durable than European ones even if they do often fail the touchy feely test.

Precisely. American cars are built with durability very much in mind as generally speaking they get used for lunar mileages. It's a BIG country and people think nothing of taking an 8 hour drive (well, my family don't). What you sacrifice in 'soft touch' you get back in service life.

Besides, I've never understood the 'quality of the plastics' comments in reviews. That's like comparing the quality of poo. It's still plastic at the end of the day!

[Gixer]

bodhi said:

Oh dear. Hit a nerve did I?

Frankly, what the interior is like is fairly low down my list of priorities, as long as it does the job and doesn't look too cheap and nasty I don't really have too much of an issue. I don;t think I'd ever suggest BMW Interiors were in posession of much flair, but then that's not really how they're designed - they're designed so everything is clearly visible and within easy reach of the driver, which to me sounds sensible, if not particularly interesting. But is it a nicer place to be than any US car I've ever sat in? Most definitely.

All I was saying was, to claim the interior of a 3 series is nasty after some of the utter abominations to come out of the US was a tad on the ironic side. Don't get me wrong, there is a lot I like about US cars, and there are a couple that would end up in my dream garage (Viper, probably a Charger), but they are in there despite the cheap and nasty interior. Even the Tesla appears to be made from old milk cartons - as anyone who's seen the state of the inside of some of the taxis at Schipol will attest.

So calm down dear, no need to get sand in your vagina just because I'm looking for something different from a car. I do find your marketing quote amusing too. If you can find me another car out there with a straight 6 and RWD with a manual box and decent economy I am all ears. As it is I don;t really think such a thing exists, so I'll stick with the 1-Series for now.

You certainly didn't strike a nerve with me, you will have to try much much harder than that Im afraid.

What an amazing idea though, German car manufacturers put buttons and things where people can reach them! I wonder why none of the other manufacturers in the world have not thought of that...... Oh, wait a minute......


I'll leave you tapping the dash board of your 1 series admiring its plastic whilst wking yourself off to the thought of a V8 that can rev by 8k. The 1 series, the ugliest car BMW have ever made IMO.

You should ask Mummy and Daddy to take you to some car shows, that way you will get to see some car interiors for yourself rather than having to use JC's phrase book.

Perhaps one day we will meet , you can continue your insults and sarcasm to my face then, although I doubt you will without a keyboard and screen to hide behind. Oh I'm not not a company director btw

[Gixer]

Crusoe said:

Z4MC more exciting than the 370z and M3 for half the price.
SLK55 if you want a v8 for half the price.
Corvette Z06 if you want a better American v8 for half the price.

Z06 is a fantastic package overall. The LS7 is a great engine but as an owner, valve drop is always in the back of my mind;)
Now an LT5 that's been opened out to 4" bores as Lotus originally intended , that's a V8 like no other.

Never sat in the back of the latest stang, but I've been in the back of my mates Shelby many a time and on some pretty long trips, my 6+ frame fits in there ok. Leg room was fine, the roof line cuts down cut sharply though reducing head room.

[vit4]

The Mustang is the first car I could see myself buying new, in a few years time. There isn't anything else sold here that's quite comparable IMO, it has character.

[unpc]

I thought Harris summed it up in the video review he did when he said the Mustang is a happy car. Somewhat unquantifiable I know but he has a point. It makes people smile. The BMW on the other hand...

[ORD]

At its price point, the Mustang is pretty compelling IF you for some reason insist on a new car. Otherwise, it's in pretty daunting company at money £30k + 2nd hand super saloons. I think the comparison is entirely fair because it is one that most people would make in practice.

[Centurion07]

Crusoe said:

Z4MC more exciting than the 370z and M3 for half the price.

Is it a Mustang?

Crusoe said:

SLK55 if you want a v8 for half the price.

Is it a Mustang?

Crusoe said:

Corvette Z06 if you want a better American v8 for half the price.

Is it a Mustang?

Crusoe said:

Maserati 4.2GT or a TVR if you want more style for half the cash.

Is it a Mustang?

If the answer to any of the above is "no", THEN I DON'T BLOODY CARE!!. Never mind the fact that most of those comments are subjective.

I don't want the Nissan because it's a hideous-looking thing.

I don't want the USED M3 because not only are there loads of them but they're barely distinguishable from any other 3-series oh yes, and it's SECOND-HAND!!

I'm buying a Mustang because it's a brand new RWD, V8 Ford for under £35K and I like the way it looks, and before anyone accuses me of defending the Mustang because I'm a Ford fanboi, I'm not so much defending the Mustang as pointing out the absurdity of some of the comments in this thread.

Everybody likes to think they're some kind of motoring guru in pointing out all the cars you COULD have instead of a Mustang but they all miss the point completely: if it's not a Mustang, IT'S NOT A MUSTANG!!

Anyone; please feel free to point out a car, available brand new, within £1K of the Mustang's £35K, with a V8 powering the rear-wheels, that doesn't look like the diesel version in the same range....

[bodhi]

Gixer said:

You certainly didn't strike a nerve with me, you will have to try much much harder than that Im afraid.

What an amazing idea though, German car manufacturers put buttons and things where people can reach them! I wonder why none of the other manufacturers in the world have not thought of that...... Oh, wait a minute......


I'll leave you tapping the dash board of your 1 series admiring its plastic whilst wking yourself off to the thought of a V8 that can rev by 8k. The 1 series, the ugliest car BMW have ever made IMO.

You should ask Mummy and Daddy to take you to some car shows, that way you will get to see some car interiors for yourself rather than having to use JC's phrase book.

Perhaps one day we will meet , you can continue your insults and sarcasm to my face then, although I doubt you will without a keyboard and screen to hide behind. Oh I'm not not a company director btw

I clearly have struck a nerve, seeing as you've gone for the old "If we weren't on the internet" line, and decided to give your opinion on my choice of car, when as I recall, I haven't mentioned Corvettes once. I'd suggest that if you were going to get all pissy about insults (not that I recall posting anything insulting unless you're a bit precious) and sarcasm (that's a service I offer for free), you might want to check what your own house is made of before you start chucking stones about.

I could ask "Mummy and Daddy" to take me to some car shows, but as Daddy died 5 years ago, and Mommy isn;t really interested in such things, I'll just have to rely on my own experience. The many rentals I have had in the States, including a Mustang and Charger, all had fairly nasty interiors compared to anything from Europe. Great cars, but interiors really aren't their strong point. This isn't something I had to touch the dash and wk myself silly about to figure out - it was obvious the second I got in.

Not a company director no, but I do think you have anger management issues if you're getting all worked up about someone having a different opinion from you on an internet forum.

[Roger Irrelevant]

Centurion07 said:

I'm buying a Mustang because it's a brand new RWD, V8 Ford for under £35K and I like the way it looks, and before anyone accuses me of defending the Mustang because I'm a Ford fanboi, I'm not so much defending the Mustang as pointing out the absurdity of some of the comments in this thread.

Everybody likes to think they're some kind of motoring guru in pointing out all the cars you COULD have instead of a Mustang but they all miss the point completely: if it's not a Mustang, IT'S NOT A MUSTANG!!

Thanks Centurion, you've saved me the bother of typing out exactly the same thing myself. While I am well aware of what else £35k could buy me, I have not considered spending anything like that amount on any other car. For me it will either be £35k on a new Mustang or one tenth of that amount on something else. And I've never owned a Ford in my life (have had a Beemer though...)

[Gixer]

Oh dear. Nope no anger here at all I'm afraid. Laughter yes, anger no.

I'm sorry but the 1 series is ugly IMO. The only BMW's I actually like shape wise is my mates M3 CSL and the Z4 and the M4 is growing on me but that's it.

This may come as much of a shock to many on here that seem so loyal to one brand or one country, but I just like cars. I don't really give a st who makes it or where it comes from. If it ticks the boxes and is something a bit different, I generally like it. BTW you do know hire cars are generally not the top model and are treated like st right?

You're the one typing pages in replies, you sure you're not getting all worked up? Looks like it to me This will be my last reply to you as I don't want the thread to desend into the usual PH bickering.

Going to go now and try and get the rest of this sand out of my vagina. Cya

[elementad]

Nismo 370z is a sleeper as strange as that sounds. Most folk on pistonheads don't realise the performance they give. I've even read comments that certain German marks "run rings" around them. I used to have a 370z. Great car and would humble a lot of 'M' models.



Take a look at the nismo lap times from auto express.
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/best-cars/87055/faste...

[ORD]

elementad said:

Nismo 370z is a sleeper as strange as that sounds. Most folk on pistonheads don't realise the performance they give. I've even read comments that certain German marks "run rings" around them. I used to have a 370z. Great car and would humble a lot of 'M' models.



Take a look at the nismo lap times from auto express.
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/best-cars/87055/faste...

Huh? Slower than the 2.7 Cayman? Hardly ballistic. Also slower than an SUV around a track.

If I had an ugly performance car with average handling, I would want it to be a lot faster than that.

[elementad]

ORD said:

Huh? Slower than the 2.7 Cayman? Hardly ballistic. Also slower than an SUV around a track.

If I had an ugly performance car with average handling, I would want it to be a lot faster than that.

Never really heard M3s or the others on that list bring described as average handling to be honest.
Which SUV is it slower than on there?