RE: Mustang vs. 370Z NISMO vs. M3: Dab of oppo(sition)
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elementad said:
Never really heard M3s or the others on that list bring described as average handling to be honest.
Which SUV is it slower than on there?
Cayenne Turbo S...well, the same lap time... You're right there Which SUV is it slower than on there?
The 370Z is way up on torque relative to a 2003 M3, so that's not really telling you much about handling.
daveco said:
I wouldn't think twice about this.
The engine in the M3 is phenomenal!
And their value is likely to start going up considering it's the greatest NA //M engine ever created imo.
Really? Not uncommon and nowhere near where previous generation M3's have depreciated to. They've still got a lot to drop, and they will.The engine in the M3 is phenomenal!
And their value is likely to start going up considering it's the greatest NA //M engine ever created imo.
Patrick Bateman said:
daveco said:
I wouldn't think twice about this.
The engine in the M3 is phenomenal!
And their value is likely to start going up considering it's the greatest NA //M engine ever created imo.
Really? Not uncommon and nowhere near where previous generation M3's have depreciated to. They've still got a lot to drop, and they will.The engine in the M3 is phenomenal!
And their value is likely to start going up considering it's the greatest NA //M engine ever created imo.
-It is probably one of the greatest V8 engines ever created (engine of the year in its category 5 years in a row iirc). It has a complete Jekyll and Hyde character that had me grinning like an idiot.
-All other M3s are NA/FI straight 6s, making it somewhat unique
-The noise, dear god the noise!
Downsides are of course the low quality interior. I cannot get over how blatantly inferior it is to the E46 interior. I'm pretty sure the leather is not as good the E46 either but that's only my experience. Also exterior wise I don't think it's as special as the E46 either.
And I bloody love the Mustang. The fact there is someone still making a NA V8 RWD with a manual gearbox and pricing it so competitively for the European market deserves major kudos.
Oh PH you do know how to cause a stir on the forums don't you? New vs used... Seriously? I honestly thought you guys were better than this. Food for thought sure but to me you just can't do that comparison. Think I've noticed a few others agree too.
IMO it has to be the Mustang. Sorry to sound snobby but it's a Mustang! Not something you really see in the UK and for the money it's fantastic value it must be said. I don't even think i'd be bothered about the depreciation if i bought one. A nice change from the usual German barges and i can't wait to see them out in the wild.
I've always liked the 350Z and 370Z. I just don't think i could ever really throw my money at them if this was the kind of thing that i was after. Even if they were alot cheaper than what they are there's just something about them that i just don't like. Before anyone says, no it's not the badge.
The E92 M3 is a difficult one. It would probably be the one i would go for, IF this was a used-car comparison. It does everything really and would be the perfect every day machine. I wouldn't hesitate to buy one if i could afford to purchase and run one. Sadly that's not the case
IMO it has to be the Mustang. Sorry to sound snobby but it's a Mustang! Not something you really see in the UK and for the money it's fantastic value it must be said. I don't even think i'd be bothered about the depreciation if i bought one. A nice change from the usual German barges and i can't wait to see them out in the wild.
I've always liked the 350Z and 370Z. I just don't think i could ever really throw my money at them if this was the kind of thing that i was after. Even if they were alot cheaper than what they are there's just something about them that i just don't like. Before anyone says, no it's not the badge.
The E92 M3 is a difficult one. It would probably be the one i would go for, IF this was a used-car comparison. It does everything really and would be the perfect every day machine. I wouldn't hesitate to buy one if i could afford to purchase and run one. Sadly that's not the case
culpz said:
Oh PH you do know how to cause a stir on the forums don't you? New vs used... Seriously? I honestly thought you guys were better than this. Food for thought sure but to me you just can't do that comparison. Think I've noticed a few others agree too.
Why not? Money is money; cars are cars. There is no magic in a car being new. It has just been driven less.ORD said:
culpz said:
Oh PH you do know how to cause a stir on the forums don't you? New vs used... Seriously? I honestly thought you guys were better than this. Food for thought sure but to me you just can't do that comparison. Think I've noticed a few others agree too.
Why not? Money is money; cars are cars. There is no magic in a car being new. It has just been driven less.It's one thing on a long list for me personally, not that I want to compromise any of those things, but the fact this Mustang is not going to be second-hand is great.
If you're looking at V8, RWD cars, would you also consider a 4-pot FWD? It comes down to how much you're prepared to compromise.
Centurion07 said:
For some it's a deciding factor.
It's one thing on a long list for me personally, not that I want to compromise any of those things, but the fact this Mustang is not going to be second-hand is great.
If you're looking at V8, RWD cars, would you also consider a 4-pot FWD? It comes down to how much you're prepared to compromise.
I think you know that is completely different! It's one thing on a long list for me personally, not that I want to compromise any of those things, but the fact this Mustang is not going to be second-hand is great.
If you're looking at V8, RWD cars, would you also consider a 4-pot FWD? It comes down to how much you're prepared to compromise.
The two cars in your example will drive differently. The only difference between a new Mustang and one that has done 1000 miles is the 1000 miles that one of them has driven. Any difference in how they drive will be minimal (and the older car will in fact probably drive a bit better if it has been looked after).ORD said:
Centurion07 said:
For some it's a deciding factor.
It's one thing on a long list for me personally, not that I want to compromise any of those things, but the fact this Mustang is not going to be second-hand is great.
If you're looking at V8, RWD cars, would you also consider a 4-pot FWD? It comes down to how much you're prepared to compromise.
I think you know that is completely different! It's one thing on a long list for me personally, not that I want to compromise any of those things, but the fact this Mustang is not going to be second-hand is great.
If you're looking at V8, RWD cars, would you also consider a 4-pot FWD? It comes down to how much you're prepared to compromise.
The two cars in your example will drive differently. The only difference between a new Mustang and one that has done 1000 miles is the 1000 miles that one of them has driven. Any difference in how they drive will be minimal (and the older car will in fact probably drive a bit better if it has been looked after).Why do people buy brand new cars? Everyone must know by now that as soon as you drive it off the forecourt you've lost +15% off the value, yet people still buy new. Why? Because it's one of those things on the list that satisfies what that person is looking for. Same with this Mustang; I wasn't even looking for a toy car, never mind one costing £35K, but this car ticks every major box that I wanted ticking, which the other cars in the OP don't.
Edited by Centurion07 on Thursday 27th August 10:26
Centurion07 said:
Granted, it's a bigger difference than new vs second-hand, but the point is still the same; what and how far are you prepared to compromise your list when choosing a car?
My point is that I dont understand why "new" is on the list at all. What about ex-demo? What about 6 months old? Why is "new" a requirement at all? Age, condition and warranty are factors that you have to take into account, sure, but to say "I only want to look at new cars and wont compare them to used alternatives" is not a very sensible position for any kind of car enthusiast to take.ORD said:
My point is that I dont understand why "new" is on the list at all. What about ex-demo? What about 6 months old? Why is "new" a requirement at all? Age, condition and warranty are factors that you have to take into account, sure, but to say "I only want to look at new cars and wont compare them to used alternatives" is not a very sensible position for any kind of car enthusiast to take.
I've edited my post now, but in answer to this, it's about compromise; it doesn't make sense to rule out a lot of things when choosing a car; RWD vs FWD, IL6 vs V8, it's just another thing on the list that some people prefer.unpc said:
It's not about new for me. It's about being able to spec a car the way I want it. The new versus used argument is getting very tiresome.
That's a pretty good reason. It wouldn't be so important if there was a rich variety of 2nd hand cars, but there really isn't. Finding a car with a good spec and in a colour other than grey, black or white is pretty much impossible for lots of cars.I guess it's pretty relevant here, actually, given how many E90 M3s are boredom black and/or autos!
You can't deny the mustang makes a very appealing buy for the money, and that's without even reading any reviews
I think the fact it's rhd and a proper gearbox rather than an i box, has just sealed the deal for many,
I can see the big appeal and can see them becoming very popular on the used market keeping the residuals high
I think the fact it's rhd and a proper gearbox rather than an i box, has just sealed the deal for many,
I can see the big appeal and can see them becoming very popular on the used market keeping the residuals high
ORD said:
culpz said:
Oh PH you do know how to cause a stir on the forums don't you? New vs used... Seriously? I honestly thought you guys were better than this. Food for thought sure but to me you just can't do that comparison. Think I've noticed a few others agree too.
Why not? Money is money; cars are cars. There is no magic in a car being new. It has just been driven less.No unexpected repair bills that could potentially be very expensive to account for.
loose cannon said:
You can't deny the mustang makes a very appealing buy for the money, and that's without even reading any reviews
I think the fact it's rhd and a proper gearbox rather than an i box, has just sealed the deal for many,
I can see the big appeal and can see them becoming very popular on the used market keeping the residuals high
Great car for the money if you refuse to buy a used M3 for some reason, that's for sure! Lovely engine, proper gearbox, reasonable handling, etc. I was quite surprised that its kerb weight is respectable. About 1700kg? Not bad at all for a V8, RWD car.I think the fact it's rhd and a proper gearbox rather than an i box, has just sealed the deal for many,
I can see the big appeal and can see them becoming very popular on the used market keeping the residuals high
ORD said:
loose cannon said:
You can't deny the mustang makes a very appealing buy for the money, and that's without even reading any reviews
I think the fact it's rhd and a proper gearbox rather than an i box, has just sealed the deal for many,
I can see the big appeal and can see them becoming very popular on the used market keeping the residuals high
Great car for the money if you refuse to buy a used M3 for some reason, that's for sure! Lovely engine, proper gearbox, reasonable handling, etc. I was quite surprised that its kerb weight is respectable. About 1700kg? Not bad at all for a V8, RWD car.I think the fact it's rhd and a proper gearbox rather than an i box, has just sealed the deal for many,
I can see the big appeal and can see them becoming very popular on the used market keeping the residuals high
| 2005 S197 Mustang GT V8 | 1596kg |
| 2005 S197 Mustang V6 | 1520kg |
| 2001 Ford Mustang Bullitt V8 | 1485kg |
| 2002 Camaro z28 | 1547kg |
Centurion07 said:
300bhp/ton said:
But heavier than older Mustangs....
Something to do with IRS possibly?| 2005 S197 Mustang GT V8 | 1596kg |
| 2005 S197 Mustang V6 | 1520kg |
| 2001 Ford Mustang Bullitt V8 | 1485kg |
| 2002 Camaro z28 | 1547kg |
99-04 Mustang Cobra's had IRS, 6 speed manual only (no auto option) and a 32v DOHC
V8.
| 1999 Ford Mustang Cobra SVT | 1556kg |
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