RE: F-Pace 'to raise the standard' for SUV dynamics
Discussion
seefarr said:
So it's like a car in that it's designed to only go on the road, but it's worse in every possible way. Remind me why we think it's a good thing again?
If this is "PH" then why not report on the new, exciting Kia Sportage? Besides the jingoistic flag-waving I can't think of a reason...
Probably beacuse Kia haven't sent a Press Release to PH Towers If this is "PH" then why not report on the new, exciting Kia Sportage? Besides the jingoistic flag-waving I can't think of a reason...
Seriously, I suspect the criteria include "sporting pretensions", and the plethora of articles about the German selection of similar SUVs somewhat overturns your "jingoistic flag-waving" assessment.
8bit said:
Zod said:
j_s14a said:
Zod said:
Ooh, what a surprise: Mike Cross says this new Jaguar will be better than any of its rivals.
Given that Jaguar haven't made a bad car since the X-Type, he is probably right. Their current product range is fantastic. seefarr said:
So it's like a car in that it's designed to only go on the road, but it's worse in every possible way. Remind me why we think it's a good thing again?
If this is "PH" then why not report on the new, exciting Kia Sportage? Besides the jingoistic flag-waving I can't think of a reason...
That's the same argument as suggesting Caterhams, Radicals, Ferraris, Porsches or any other sports/track car are pointless though. 90% of their ability is utterly wasted on the road. Most people just drive them round town, looking 'cool' and revving the engine. Hence....why is an SUV any different? I'd even go as far as saying you use more of an SUVs ability than you otherwise would in a supercar.If this is "PH" then why not report on the new, exciting Kia Sportage? Besides the jingoistic flag-waving I can't think of a reason...
RacerMike said:
That's the same argument as suggesting Caterhams, Radicals, Ferraris, Porsches or any other sports/track car are pointless though. 90% of their ability is utterly wasted on the road. Most people just drive them round town, looking 'cool' and revving the engine. Hence....why is an SUV any different? I'd even go as far as saying you use more of an SUVs ability than you otherwise would in a supercar.
Because it's "Pistonheads: Speed Matters", not "MumsNet: I feel so safe being up high and there's lots of room in the back for the kids".seefarr said:
RacerMike said:
That's the same argument as suggesting Caterhams, Radicals, Ferraris, Porsches or any other sports/track car are pointless though. 90% of their ability is utterly wasted on the road. Most people just drive them round town, looking 'cool' and revving the engine. Hence....why is an SUV any different? I'd even go as far as saying you use more of an SUVs ability than you otherwise would in a supercar.
Because it's "Pistonheads: Speed Matters", not "MumsNet: I feel so safe being up high and there's lots of room in the back for the kids".Regards,
MyCC.
My wife likes SUV's and has been bugging me to get her one for ages because in her words they look good, are higher up, bigger, safer and more comfortable. At no point has she mentioned or even cares about it's dynamic capabilities in the twisties.
I suspect handles like-a-car has more to do with garnering good reviews as journo's hammer them round a track then it is to do with real-life customer demand. I guess saying that an SUV can do an 8 minute lap of the ring is more fun than just reporting it's great at comfortably tackling our crap roads. I hope in the chase to make it "more rewarding to drive", Jaguar haven't forgotten it's basically building a 2 tonne school\shopping run truck.
I suspect handles like-a-car has more to do with garnering good reviews as journo's hammer them round a track then it is to do with real-life customer demand. I guess saying that an SUV can do an 8 minute lap of the ring is more fun than just reporting it's great at comfortably tackling our crap roads. I hope in the chase to make it "more rewarding to drive", Jaguar haven't forgotten it's basically building a 2 tonne school\shopping run truck.
seefarr said:
RacerMike said:
That's the same argument as suggesting Caterhams, Radicals, Ferraris, Porsches or any other sports/track car are pointless though. 90% of their ability is utterly wasted on the road. Most people just drive them round town, looking 'cool' and revving the engine. Hence....why is an SUV any different? I'd even go as far as saying you use more of an SUVs ability than you otherwise would in a supercar.
Because it's "Pistonheads: Speed Matters", not "MumsNet: I feel so safe being up high and there's lots of room in the back for the kids".swisstoni said:
You haven't seen the current thread with dads discussing the finer points of back seat widths and optimal child seat configs have you?
There are plenty of threads on the subject. You can be a father, need a practical car and still be a PHer. If you're lucky, you may also be able to have another car that is more of a PH-mobile. That said, the practical car I bought when I first became a father nine years ago was an E60 M5.Zod said:
swisstoni said:
You haven't seen the current thread with dads discussing the finer points of back seat widths and optimal child seat configs have you?
There are plenty of threads on the subject. You can be a father, need a practical car and still be a PHer. If you're lucky, you may also be able to have another car that is more of a PH-mobile. That said, the practical car I bought when I first became a father nine years ago was an E60 M5.From what I have seen and read, journalists from outside the UK are very complementary about the way the XE drives and handles, many saying it is equal to or better than the best of the German competition.The B-I-W architecture, double front wishbone front and integral link rear suspension, and EPAS is being shared across all the new smaller vehicles of the JRL range. So far far it appears to be delivering. That applies to ride, to handling, to steering and to space management (enabling the +2 extra seats in the Discovery Sport which also has attracted favourable comment). Given that response so far I see no valid reason to knock the F-Pace (apart from its name). It will open up a new market sector for Jaguar. That it badly needs because it is over-represented in the saloon car segments. I am very tempted by one and will cetainly test drive one myself.
Diderot said:
Looks like Disco Sport with a Jag grill.
Do we know how big this thing is? disco Sport size or RRS size?
Similar sort of size to an X6. It's bigger than a Disco Sport and smaller than a RRS.Do we know how big this thing is? disco Sport size or RRS size?
I think they'll do well; the crossover market seems to be fairly strong. Wait and see what the reviews say but I'm pretty confident they'll be impressed.
Turkish91 said:
Diderot said:
Looks like Disco Sport with a Jag grill.
Do we know how big this thing is? disco Sport size or RRS size?
Similar sort of size to an X6. It's bigger than a Disco Sport and smaller than a RRS.Do we know how big this thing is? disco Sport size or RRS size?
I think they'll do well; the crossover market seems to be fairly strong. Wait and see what the reviews say but I'm pretty confident they'll be impressed.
seefarr said:
So it's like a car in that it's designed to only go on the road, but it's worse in every possible way. Remind me why we think it's a good thing again?
If this is "PH" then why not report on the new, exciting Kia Sportage? Besides the jingoistic flag-waving I can't think of a reason...
Because clearly they aren't worse in every conceivable way. Very clearly they are better in some ways. Hence why it is a market that has grown faster than any other. Just go and ask the neighbours. If this is "PH" then why not report on the new, exciting Kia Sportage? Besides the jingoistic flag-waving I can't think of a reason...
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