RE: F-Pace 'to raise the standard' for SUV dynamics
Discussion
Zod said:
There are plenty of threads on the subject. You can be a father, need a practical car and still be a PHer. If you're lucky, you may also be able to have another car that is more of a PH-mobile. That said, the practical car I bought when I first became a father nine years ago was an E60 M5.
And I sold a 2 seat TVR for a 4 seat one. But you and I know what people's real issue is with SUVs. It's the same as the blokes who rant about mother's near schools or Astons unable to get through some width restrictions. Damaged punters 
300bhp/ton said:
Am I the only one left that wants a 4x4 to feel and drive like a 4x4 and somewhat truck like?
If I want one to drive like a car, well I'll buy a car...
I'm with you on that - we've got a 2003 Landcruiser (with 190k on the clock) that in many regards is like an old-school 4x4 to drive - it's pleasurable to drive precisely because it has no 'sporting DNA'.If I want one to drive like a car, well I'll buy a car...
DonkeyApple said:
Zod said:
There are plenty of threads on the subject. You can be a father, need a practical car and still be a PHer. If you're lucky, you may also be able to have another car that is more of a PH-mobile. That said, the practical car I bought when I first became a father nine years ago was an E60 M5.
And I sold a 2 seat TVR for a 4 seat one. But you and I know what people's real issue is with SUVs. It's the same as the blokes who rant about mother's near schools or Astons unable to get through some width restrictions. Damaged punters 
Zod said:
8bit said:
Zod said:
j_s14a said:
Zod said:
Ooh, what a surprise: Mike Cross says this new Jaguar will be better than any of its rivals.
Given that Jaguar haven't made a bad car since the X-Type, he is probably right. Their current product range is fantastic. renrut said:
I quite like it. I struggle with why Jaguar want to build an SUV when LR do it so well, its not like LR are clunky agricultural things anymore.
I suppose they look at it as a way to nick a few Audi/BMW/Merc etc sales. If it attracts a few LR buyers, well the money is just coming in a different way.
wildcat45 said:
I understand the demand for this type of vehicle but why go to the expense of designing and building something that will take sales away from products you already sell Range Rovers?
I take it this car has no Land Rover DNA but will share engines. If so, then why not badge engineer has been done- for want of a better term - a Range Rover product or a forthcoming Land Rover product, all the big expensive design and R & D has been done.
I would genuinely like to know the answer
Jaguar are not trying to take sales from Range Rover, they're trying to take sales from Audi/BMW/Mercedes/Volvo.I take it this car has no Land Rover DNA but will share engines. If so, then why not badge engineer has been done- for want of a better term - a Range Rover product or a forthcoming Land Rover product, all the big expensive design and R & D has been done.
I would genuinely like to know the answer
swisstoni said:
renrut said:
I quite like it. I struggle with why Jaguar want to build an SUV when LR do it so well, its not like LR are clunky agricultural things anymore.
I suppose they look at it as a way to nick a few Audi/BMW/Merc etc sales. If it attracts a few LR buyers, well the money is just coming in a different way.j_s14a said:
Zod said:
Ooh, what a surprise: Mike Cross says this new Jaguar will be better than any of its rivals.
Given that Jaguar haven't made a bad car since the X-Type, he is probably right. Their current product range is fantastic. ....and which Jag is accepted as better than any of it's rivals. The F-Type might come close, but I can't think of a universally accepted market beater in the range, even with british rose-tinted specs on
seefarr said:
RacerMike said:
That's the same argument as suggesting Caterhams, Radicals, Ferraris, Porsches or any other sports/track car are pointless though. 90% of their ability is utterly wasted on the road. Most people just drive them round town, looking 'cool' and revving the engine. Hence....why is an SUV any different? I'd even go as far as saying you use more of an SUVs ability than you otherwise would in a supercar.
Because it's "Pistonheads: Speed Matters", not "MumsNet: I feel so safe being up high and there's lots of room in the back for the kids".Ergo....a 400bhp diesel is better than a 200bhp hot hatch? Pretty sure PH on masse would disagree.
NXXN said:
Jaguar are not trying to take sales from Range Rover, they're trying to take sales from Audi/BMW/Mercedes/Volvo.
Yes. And also enter key, volume segments so that the Jaguar business can begin to properly stand alone financially after nearly a decade of being kept alive from Land Rover revenues. It's a very important period for Jaguar and having both a small saloon for the fleet and lease market and also a small SUV is probably the best tactic at present.
Well, unlike the PH class favourite, at least the F Pace is designed and will be built by Jaguar.
It looks like a Jaguar and thus looks great. Imaginative camo as well.
With the oil prce set to keep dropping self indulgence and entitlement are going to continue to be strong features of car consumers. So Jag might as well cash in with much better margins than building smaller cars.
It looks like a Jaguar and thus looks great. Imaginative camo as well.
With the oil prce set to keep dropping self indulgence and entitlement are going to continue to be strong features of car consumers. So Jag might as well cash in with much better margins than building smaller cars.
Ares said:
Which of their competitors has made a bad car?
....and which Jag is accepted as better than any of it's rivals. The F-Type might come close, but I can't think of a universally accepted market beater in the range, even with british rose-tinted specs on
That's my point; "raise the standard' for SUV dynamics" is typical Mike Cross b....and which Jag is accepted as better than any of it's rivals. The F-Type might come close, but I can't think of a universally accepted market beater in the range, even with british rose-tinted specs on
ks, just like when they launched the S-Type R, he claimed they had only tested against the previous highest performing S-Type, because they knew it was better than the M5 and E55 (both of which were leagues ahead of the S-Type R).seefarr said:
So it's like a car in that it's designed to only go on the road, but it's worse in every possible way. Remind me why we think it's a good thing again?
If this is "PH" then why not report on the new, exciting Kia Sportage? Besides the jingoistic flag-waving I can't think of a reason...
I'm probably in the small minority for whom this might be just right: I need 4x4 a non-trivial amount of the time (even with winter tyres), I need the ground clearance regularly (I live off-road, as do many of our 'neighbours') and I need a half-decent wading depth (our tracks and local roads flood quite a lot). OTOH, I don't usually need to head up a hilltop trail (will borrow a Landie for that) and I do live on some of the finest, twistiest driving roads in the UK. So, if I were going for one car to do it all, the F-Pace might well be it. As long as the tailgate is low enough to get a sick sheep in the back…If this is "PH" then why not report on the new, exciting Kia Sportage? Besides the jingoistic flag-waving I can't think of a reason...
Pretty uninspiring... nothing exciting, still not going to be as good as a sports car, so who cares?
The luxury 4x4 segment is the only thing that is interesting to me these days, as these things can certainly be luxurious in a way low down saloons, etc can never be.
The luxury 4x4 segment is the only thing that is interesting to me these days, as these things can certainly be luxurious in a way low down saloons, etc can never be.
Technomad said:
I'm probably in the small minority for whom this might be just right: I need 4x4 a non-trivial amount of the time (even with winter tyres), I need the ground clearance regularly (I live off-road, as do many of our 'neighbours') and I need a half-decent wading depth (our tracks and local roads flood quite a lot). OTOH, I don't usually need to head up a hilltop trail (will borrow a Landie for that) and I do live on some of the finest, twistiest driving roads in the UK. So, if I were going for one car to do it all, the F-Pace might well be it. As long as the tailgate is low enough to get a sick sheep in the back…
Yeah it does actually sound perfectly suited. I bet people like you are exactly the niche market they were going after!
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