RE: Subaru WRX STI: PH Fleet
Discussion
Ali_T said:
But it's a flat four so the CoG is much lower. Everything's a trade off, at the end of the day.
The 2017/18 model should rectify the power issues. A little bird, to be taken with much salt, claims it'll use the new 2.0 but with twin turbos and over 400bhp.
Sure, there are a few minor advantages to the layout, but the statement about all the money going into the engineering is, well, rather silly. The 2017/18 model should rectify the power issues. A little bird, to be taken with much salt, claims it'll use the new 2.0 but with twin turbos and over 400bhp.
They are nice on the road though, and quite chuckable. I almost bought an old bug eye version many moons ago when I still lived in the States. Probably should have, given that space largely dictates the choices nowadays.
Gecko1978 said:
macky17 said:
And as usual the elephant in the room isn't mentioned. Unless I'm mistaken, this 2.5 engine is unchanged from that in the previous gen cars - you know, the one made of chocolate that regularly fails. Tell me if I'm wrong as I'd otherwise consider one of these for sure.
Errr my 07 wrx 2.5 was fine 300bhp never missed a beat in 7 years. Trips to the ring too.themanwithnoname said:
Yup. My 55 60k mile 330bhp forester sti is going very strong
I take it it's had a remap at some point to make 330bhp? The issue seems to be with Subaru's own mapping but they would never admit it. And I certainly wouldn't buy another one until I see that they're using forged pistons, finally, after having my 330S blow up at only 20,000 miles, thankfully under warranty. 
themanwithnoname said:
Gecko1978 said:
macky17 said:
And as usual the elephant in the room isn't mentioned. Unless I'm mistaken, this 2.5 engine is unchanged from that in the previous gen cars - you know, the one made of chocolate that regularly fails. Tell me if I'm wrong as I'd otherwise consider one of these for sure.
Errr my 07 wrx 2.5 was fine 300bhp never missed a beat in 7 years. Trips to the ring too.macky17 said:
Ali_T said:
On standard mapping, which was rubbish, ringland failure is all too common.
Finally someone from the real world.Yes, I'm sure some people have been lucky, even for 7 years, but the failures are documented and numerous. How Subaru can continue to employ the same engine unrevised I don't know. Unless it is revised somehow. Does anyone know one way or the other?
Yes there were a lot of failures, mainly on the hatches. I had a 2.5ltr Hawkeye STi and that did 125k without a problem before it was sold to a breaker (*sob*).
The 2011 model year onwards has a different map and failures aren't quite so apparent with those. Which is good news for me.
I don't worry about it though. Everything out there has a weakness if you look hard enough. Not developing a brand new engine really is poor from Subaru but I won't let what ifs put me off enjoying a car.
TroubledSoul said:
macky17 said:
Ali_T said:
On standard mapping, which was rubbish, ringland failure is all too common.
Finally someone from the real world.Yes, I'm sure some people have been lucky, even for 7 years, but the failures are documented and numerous. How Subaru can continue to employ the same engine unrevised I don't know. Unless it is revised somehow. Does anyone know one way or the other?
Yes there were a lot of failures, mainly on the hatches. I had a 2.5ltr Hawkeye STi and that did 125k without a problem before it was sold to a breaker (*sob*).
The 2011 model year onwards has a different map and failures aren't quite so apparent with those. Which is good news for me.
I don't worry about it though. Everything out there has a weakness if you look hard enough. Not developing a brand new engine really is poor from Subaru but I won't let what ifs put me off enjoying a car.
macky17 said:
TroubledSoul said:
macky17 said:
Ali_T said:
On standard mapping, which was rubbish, ringland failure is all too common.
Finally someone from the real world.Yes, I'm sure some people have been lucky, even for 7 years, but the failures are documented and numerous. How Subaru can continue to employ the same engine unrevised I don't know. Unless it is revised somehow. Does anyone know one way or the other?
Yes there were a lot of failures, mainly on the hatches. I had a 2.5ltr Hawkeye STi and that did 125k without a problem before it was sold to a breaker (*sob*).
The 2011 model year onwards has a different map and failures aren't quite so apparent with those. Which is good news for me.
I don't worry about it though. Everything out there has a weakness if you look hard enough. Not developing a brand new engine really is poor from Subaru but I won't let what ifs put me off enjoying a car.
The MY11 onwards has a revised engine. I just can't remember if/what else was done besides the map. The main issue with the failures previously was however, the map. I do feel that they should have developed a new engine for the STI simply because the Impreza WRX has a new 2.0 with direct injection etc. and it would have been awesome to see something like this with newer tech in the STI. I do like the torque of the 2.5 though and I certainly love mine. The new car has been very well received and hopefully that will lay the foundation for the next one.
Ali_T said:
themanwithnoname said:
Yup. My 55 60k mile 330bhp forester sti is going very strong
I take it it's had a remap at some point to make 330bhp? The issue seems to be with Subaru's own mapping but they would never admit it. And I certainly wouldn't buy another one until I see that they're using forged pistons, finally, after having my 330S blow up at only 20,000 miles, thankfully under warranty. 
They're 265bhp out of Japan. bonesX said:
themanwithnoname said:
Gecko1978 said:
macky17 said:
And as usual the elephant in the room isn't mentioned. Unless I'm mistaken, this 2.5 engine is unchanged from that in the previous gen cars - you know, the one made of chocolate that regularly fails. Tell me if I'm wrong as I'd otherwise consider one of these for sure.
Errr my 07 wrx 2.5 was fine 300bhp never missed a beat in 7 years. Trips to the ring too.rb5er said:
My Legacy needed head gaskets at around 90k miles.
It cost me 800quid with a new clutch also. Doesn't have to be a bank buster.
You did very well thenIt cost me 800quid with a new clutch also. Doesn't have to be a bank buster.
Any engine builder currently charges £1200 to £1500 for HG's on a Subaru
I'm having a standard Exedy clutch which is £271 + VAT alone
bonesX said:
You did very well then
Any engine builder currently charges £1200 to £1500 for HG's on a Subaru
I'm having a standard Exedy clutch which is £271 + VAT alone
Really?! Why? That's around £8-1100 in labour after ARP and Cometic parts at retail prices. I think your 'engine builder' (was your engine being built as well?) is expensive, and a regular mechanic would be significantly cheaper... Just saying, Any engine builder currently charges £1200 to £1500 for HG's on a Subaru
I'm having a standard Exedy clutch which is £271 + VAT alone
I think you've been done a bit there chap. rb5er's number seems a lot more realistic, given that it would be easier to drop the engine out on the subframe and disconnect the gearbox than work with everything in situ. Changing the clutch is 10 minutes once you've got everything out, and again even at your lowest end cost, and the price of the Exedy clutch that's around 5-600 in labour, which as an avid and reasonably competent DIYer still seems a bit errrm stiff in the wallet and bottom departments.
Well, I live in the midlands and phoned around and all quotes the same, almost exactly. I even spoke to Alyn at AS Performance and he charges exactly the same
Many of the 'regular local engine builders' didn't want the job
Yes, having an engine refresh too, which accounts for extra above the 1200
Many of the 'regular local engine builders' didn't want the job
Yes, having an engine refresh too, which accounts for extra above the 1200
macky17 said:
And as usual the elephant in the room isn't mentioned. Unless I'm mistaken, this 2.5 engine is unchanged from that in the previous gen cars - you know, the one made of chocolate that regularly fails. Tell me if I'm wrong as I'd otherwise consider one of these for sure.
Don't understand! Current WRX 2.5 with Prodrive Performance Pack been with me since 2006, has done a couple of track days plus fair share of fast road and never a single problem. And it still looks as good as new! But, have always used expensive Millers competition engine, 'box and diff oils... 
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