RE: 250 orders for new TVR
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NRS said:
I like the first one in particular - looks like a great modern take on a T350. The only issue is something like it might not be crazy enough to stand out from other cars.
Caption says "GriffCoupe1995".Credit to bosscerbera for posting them (all those years ago): Original Cerbera sketches.
HarryW said:
750turbo said:
Pricing announced - Target price at launch 70K edging towards 80K with options.
I really hope they do well!
Do you have link to the announcement?I really hope they do well!
The TVR Timeline
26.9.15TVR Boss Les Edgar lays out the plan for his new "Affordable Supercar"
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Speaking at a TVRCC Wiltshire event at Neil Garner Motorsport, Edgar shared his launch timescales. Although not set in stone, the current plan is for a major announcement towards the end of this year when some styling will be revealed along with details of power and performance.
Edgar was keen to point out that work would continue on the design and that aerodynamics play a big part in the body shape. Steve Cropley from Autocar saw the original sketches and it’s from his recollection that the Autocar impressions were born. Cropley wasn’t shown the back of the car as that’s where the most changes are likely to take place during the design process.
Le Mans plays a huge part in the plan too. The car is being engineered - by many ex McLaren engineers - to meet Le Mans 24 hour specs with the road car evolving from that. He emphasised that developing the car this way around was far more sensible than trying to make a road car comply further down the line. Racing will very much be part of the blood and Edgar is confident that they have a 200mph car on their hands.
A flat bottomed car with a manual gearbox, a V8 engine, ABS and traction control will be the end product. The car should be slightly larger than a T350. He wouldn’t be drawn when asked for hints as to absolute power figures - “Sufficient” he quipped.
Hot weather testing is planned for the summer of 2016 in Southern Spain with production readying itself for a launch of customer cars in mid 2017. Seven prototypes will be employed.
The first 300 cars off the production line will be ‘Launch Edition’ cars with most options ticked. More configurable cars will be available after that. ‘Options’ became a somewhat ambiguous term but it seems it will include power upgrades and aero packages.
Production will be in the UK in a facility near a racetrack allowing new owners to sample their cars at full speed. Complex facilities won’t be required. TVR have a former designer of the Nissan Sunderland production line (one of the most efficient in the world) designing the workflow along with Gordon Murray and his ‘iStream’ process. It will result in a production line of seventeen workstations and production quality is a key attribute of the end product..
Edgar acknowledged that TVR of old managed to produce ‘Affordable Supercars’ and he hopes to continue that. His target price for the Launch Edition is around £70k with subsequent models edging towards £80k with options added.
Servicing will be carried out within a network of TVR service agents supported by “Flying Vans” manned by TVR engineers and with complete sets of parts sent out to assist where required.
Edgar’s enthusiasm for the brand was apparent and his desire to embrace the whole marque - old and new - was obvious. No one can underestimate the task he has given himself, but it’s clear that he has a clear and sensible plan for pulling it off. It’s looking promising.
ORD said:
It stikes me as Cloud Cuckoo Land to be talking about cars being delivered in 2017! They haven't even finished the designs let alone having prototypes up and running.
I agree. But, the drivetrain is already being tested in a mule and I very much suspect that the chassis/frame was designed quite some time ago by Gordon Murray. The production line already exists and just needs to be placed in a warehouse unit. The body is hardly difficult and so that really leaves all the niggly bits that complete the package. Arguably they are the trickiest bits but two years to get it working isn't impossible.
I think that what is important is that they have signed up industry specialists for every aspect and seem to have a properly impressive team. And that is quite different from most brand relaunches that usually fail.
It could take a year to get a lease and kit out the factory; months to get a workforce in place and trained; months to trial, evaluate and roll out production processes once you have everything done on paper; months for testing a prototype, etc.
About 2 years from not even having finalised drawings?! I think that's borderline insanely optimistic. Even with existing production plants and huge budgets, cars take years to get from the page into production. We still know nothing about funding.
I hope that the 2017 date is just being dangled out to maintain interest. If they really think it's realistically likely, they are bonkers.
None of this should detract from the point that this is an extremely exciting project. I can't wait to see the car out on the roads (in 2019
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About 2 years from not even having finalised drawings?! I think that's borderline insanely optimistic. Even with existing production plants and huge budgets, cars take years to get from the page into production. We still know nothing about funding.
I hope that the 2017 date is just being dangled out to maintain interest. If they really think it's realistically likely, they are bonkers.
None of this should detract from the point that this is an extremely exciting project. I can't wait to see the car out on the roads (in 2019
)ORD said:
It could take a year to get a lease and kit out the factory; months to get a workforce in place and trained; months to trial, evaluate and roll out production processes once you have everything done on paper; months for testing a prototype, etc.
About 2 years from not even having finalised drawings?! I think that's borderline insanely optimistic. Even with existing production plants and huge budgets, cars take years to get from the page into production. We still know nothing about funding.
I hope that the 2017 date is just being dangled out to maintain interest. If they really think it's realistically likely, they are bonkers.
None of this should detract from the point that this is an extremely exciting project. I can't wait to see the car out on the roads (in 2019 )
I think the point I am trying to make is that the car is further down the line that people are thinking. It seems relatively clear that it was on the drawing board as a Le Mans product by the investors and Murray before they secured the TVR brand. About 2 years from not even having finalised drawings?! I think that's borderline insanely optimistic. Even with existing production plants and huge budgets, cars take years to get from the page into production. We still know nothing about funding.
I hope that the 2017 date is just being dangled out to maintain interest. If they really think it's realistically likely, they are bonkers.
None of this should detract from the point that this is an extremely exciting project. I can't wait to see the car out on the roads (in 2019
)Plus, they seem to have employed the technicians already and the iStream process appears to literally be 17 work stations plonked in any old building.
I'm also sceptical but as I simply don't know what the iStream process is and as the project has actually been underway for longer than people realise then I'm willing to think that a car may appear on the road before the close of 2017.
ORD said:
It stikes me as Cloud Cuckoo Land to be talking about cars being delivered in 2017! They haven't even finished the designs let alone having prototypes up and running.
I may have misheard him but i thought he said production of the customer cars would "start" in mid to late 2017, not that they would be delivering them then??Had dinner with Gordon Murray last week. He has 33 people from GM Design working on the TVR, and things are still looking good. As always it's about finance. (Not under his control). They are at scale model styling stage.
Plan is for the V8 to be first out... but then a 'family' of alt versions, cheaper, more expensive, track version etc.
Though everything may change of course.
Plan is for the V8 to be first out... but then a 'family' of alt versions, cheaper, more expensive, track version etc.
Though everything may change of course.
ORD said:
It stikes me as Cloud Cuckoo Land to be talking about cars being delivered in 2017! They haven't even finished the designs let alone having prototypes up and running.
you know that designing how a car will look is just one stream in the development process right? It's not like everyone else is waiting for the black bespectacled turtle neck crew to finish twiddling with sketch books and clay mock-ups before they can start. Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff