RE: 250 orders for new TVR
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RoverP6B said:
I remember when Zenos first popped up on the scene and I said something along the lines of "here we go, another bunch of dreamers who think they know better than Lotus etc, it'll never get to market and they'll go bust in five minutes", but they proved me and the rest of the doubters wrong with a convincing product backed by a solid business plan. Maybe TVR will also surprise me, but I'm fearful that, with no clear design, no production facility and the engineering being done by a firm that hasn't built a road car before (T25 nonsense aside), led by an engineer who's done one road car in his entire career, 20-odd years ago, it's in the realms of cloud cuckoo land. What's the profit margin (if any!) on production going to look like? With a multimillion pound development bill, that's going to take quite a while to pay off.
Out of interest GM Design is currently working on 8 cars.rigga said:
900T-R said:
RoverP6B said:
led by an engineer who's done one road car in his entire career, 20-odd years ago
But what a road car...
joncon said:
you see the point I am making....
3000 cars per year will turn a profit.....
If you have a massive factory, huge numbers of staff and debt to finance then yes. 3000 cars per year will turn a profit.....
The iStream process appears to need none of that. Just a basic industrial unit and a few tens of people.
Huge overheads are Lotus' problem.
McMerc was a Mercedes-Benz project for which McLaren built the carbon bits - and GM was already out of McLaren by the time it was launched IIRC. Door hinges etc were standard Merc fare.
The F1 was spectacular, although it too used some bought-in bits (think the tail-lights were off a Dennis coach?). It's still 20-odd years ago.
The F1 was spectacular, although it too used some bought-in bits (think the tail-lights were off a Dennis coach?). It's still 20-odd years ago.
RoverP6B said:
McMerc was a Mercedes-Benz project for which McLaren built the carbon bits - and GM was already out of McLaren by the time it was launched IIRC. Door hinges etc were standard Merc fare.
The F1 was spectacular, although it too used some bought-in bits (think the tail-lights were off a Dennis coach?). It's still 20-odd years ago.
I can also tell you that the F1's wing mirror control switch was from a Vauxhall Corsa, in fact damn you Gordon Murray and your shortcut designs, and to think he even signed my copy of Driving Ambition, probably makes it worthless now......The F1 was spectacular, although it too used some bought-in bits (think the tail-lights were off a Dennis coach?). It's still 20-odd years ago.
RoverP6B said:
McMerc was a Mercedes-Benz project for which McLaren built the carbon bits - and GM was already out of McLaren by the time it was launched IIRC. Door hinges etc were standard Merc fare.
The F1 was spectacular, although it too used some bought-in bits (think the tail-lights were off a Dennis coach?). It's still 20-odd years ago.
Not sure if you realise it, but you do seem hell bent on having a pop at GM at every turn. Did he turn you down for a job in a past life or something?The F1 was spectacular, although it too used some bought-in bits (think the tail-lights were off a Dennis coach?). It's still 20-odd years ago.
pozi said:
I can also tell you that the F1's wing mirror control switch was from a Vauxhall Corsa, in fact damn you Gordon Murray and your shortcut designs, and to think he even signed my copy of Driving Ambition, probably makes it worthless now......
He didn't even write all of that book. The slack f
ker. And I doubt he made the pen he signed your copy with. The man's a loser. HarryW said:
RoverP6B said:
McMerc was a Mercedes-Benz project for which McLaren built the carbon bits - and GM was already out of McLaren by the time it was launched IIRC. Door hinges etc were standard Merc fare.
The F1 was spectacular, although it too used some bought-in bits (think the tail-lights were off a Dennis coach?). It's still 20-odd years ago.
Not sure if you realise it, but you do seem hell bent on having a pop at GM at every turn. Did he turn you down for a job in a past life or something?The F1 was spectacular, although it too used some bought-in bits (think the tail-lights were off a Dennis coach?). It's still 20-odd years ago.
I have nothing against GM and I have never attempted to gain work in the automotive sector. Although I did know some ex-BAe guys went to McLaren, when I left I wanted a change and went into performing arts management instead... I'm just pointing out, GM has only ever had to design and engineer an entire road car (minus engine and some minor componentry) from scratch once, and that was 20-odd years ago. The cigar-tube Rocket doesn't count because it has no doors, no roof, no interior to speak of. The McMerc doesn't count because all the switchgear, electrics, doorhinges and so on were M-B's work. So, it remains to be seen what capability Murray and his present team have of delivering a ground-up road car from scratch, never mind in the timescales given. If it leads to more jobs being created at Shalford, great - although then there might be a sufficient increase in traffic to make widening the very narrow Broadford Road bridge over the Wey Navigation...
RoverP6B said:
McMerc was a Mercedes-Benz project for which McLaren built the carbon bits - and GM was already out of McLaren by the time it was launched IIRC. Door hinges etc were standard Merc fare.
The F1 was spectacular, although it too used some bought-in bits (think the tail-lights were off a Dennis coach?). It's still 20-odd years ago.
Out of interest, which standard Mercedes cars of that time usd the same hinges as the McLaren Mercedes? The F1 was spectacular, although it too used some bought-in bits (think the tail-lights were off a Dennis coach?). It's still 20-odd years ago.
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