RE: Porsche 911 GTS vs Jaguar F-Type
Discussion
Gus265 said:
... I went for a bog standard 991 Carrera manual....
Good man, enthusiasts in the future will salute you (your car will be sought after). 
It's sad that a manual, non-S 991 Carrera is going to be a rather rare car. I also like the Jag V6. Looking at the 'as tested' price and options, I would happily have one of these with only about a grand's worth of those options (plus maybe some sports seats if Jag's are worth having).
Edited by braddo on Friday 28th August 23:34
elementad said:
You can tell you haven't driven one. There is NO porsche I have ever heard with or without aftermarket exhaust that sounds anywhere near as good as an F Type and no exhaust could. The porsche isn't engineered to.
It's fine that you prefer the 911 but there is no point in saying things that aren't true let alone what you haven't even experienced such as the sound can be made by the Porsche by simple purchase of an aftermarket exhaust or that the ZF semi auto is slushy.
If you ever get chance for a blast in one then do it because you will never be able to hear the scale of the noises through YouTube clips
Your confusing contrived exhaust sounds of the F-type with the induction howl of an n/a flat 6 you need to drive one to understand.It's fine that you prefer the 911 but there is no point in saying things that aren't true let alone what you haven't even experienced such as the sound can be made by the Porsche by simple purchase of an aftermarket exhaust or that the ZF semi auto is slushy.
If you ever get chance for a blast in one then do it because you will never be able to hear the scale of the noises through YouTube clips
The F-types I've heard sound over the top (for the performance on offer) and artificial (which they are as the noise is generated through the exhaust not the engine induction) it was quite funny when one tried to keep up with my 2 tonne barge on the A1 the other day, he wasn't happy being left for dead by a rep mobile.
Gus265 said:
Interesting though, when you don't own one they do look ho-hum another 911 but when you do, can't stop appreciating what a great looking car it is. View out of side mirror over fat rear wings is great and the rear end is fab
it's the best feeling when you appreciate the art and design of your own car rather than the admiration it may garner in others.And the 911 does have some well honed curves.
Good choice on the manual btw, i reckon it'll hold its value well, if that concerns you.
unsolicited said:
The very fact that there is such an argument going on shows just how far Jag have come. And it is designed/manufactured in the UK. Hallelujah.
I agree. It's brilliant that Jag is at least taking the fight to Porsche. The other mainstream marques don't really try (except for some notable exceptions like the R8).chrispmartha said:
I don't get this, people saying they wouldn't have a Porsche because it's common then people saying 'what Porsche need to do is....
I said nothing about the brand image, because I don't buy that b
ks. I recognise a good car regardless of brand and perception thereof.BBS-LM said:
Why the hell would anyone put them wheels, on an F-Type is beyond be.
Because small wheels and tall sidewalls = better ride and handling. The idea - promoted by designers like Ian Callum - that at least 19" is required, is utter rubbish.elementad said:
You can tell you haven't driven one. There is NO porsche I have ever heard with or without aftermarket exhaust that sounds anywhere near as good as an F Type and no exhaust could. The porsche isn't engineered to.
It's fine that you prefer the 911 but there is no point in saying things that aren't true let alone what you haven't even experienced such as the sound can be made by the Porsche by simple purchase of an aftermarket exhaust or that the ZF semi auto is slushy.
If you ever get chance for a blast in one then do it because you will never be able to hear the scale of the noises through YouTube clips
Sorry, the 991 GT3 monsters the F-Type for noise. The V6 makes a great noise, but the flat 6 is an absolute masterpiece. Pure music. Then there's the mezger.. which I think makes a better noise than the F-Type as well. Especially after hearing them back to back this weekend at Beaulieu.It's fine that you prefer the 911 but there is no point in saying things that aren't true let alone what you haven't even experienced such as the sound can be made by the Porsche by simple purchase of an aftermarket exhaust or that the ZF semi auto is slushy.
If you ever get chance for a blast in one then do it because you will never be able to hear the scale of the noises through YouTube clips
JockySteer said:
elementad said:
You can tell you haven't driven one. There is NO porsche I have ever heard with or without aftermarket exhaust that sounds anywhere near as good as an F Type and no exhaust could. The porsche isn't engineered to.
It's fine that you prefer the 911 but there is no point in saying things that aren't true let alone what you haven't even experienced such as the sound can be made by the Porsche by simple purchase of an aftermarket exhaust or that the ZF semi auto is slushy.
If you ever get chance for a blast in one then do it because you will never be able to hear the scale of the noises through YouTube clips
Sorry, the 991 GT3 monsters the F-Type for noise. The V6 makes a great noise, but the flat 6 is an absolute masterpiece. Pure music. Then there's the mezger.. which I think makes a better noise than the F-Type as well. Especially after hearing them back to back this weekend at Beaulieu.It's fine that you prefer the 911 but there is no point in saying things that aren't true let alone what you haven't even experienced such as the sound can be made by the Porsche by simple purchase of an aftermarket exhaust or that the ZF semi auto is slushy.
If you ever get chance for a blast in one then do it because you will never be able to hear the scale of the noises through YouTube clips
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
I can't take you seriously sorry.
Wills2 said:
elementad said:
You can tell you haven't driven one. There is NO porsche I have ever heard with or without aftermarket exhaust that sounds anywhere near as good as an F Type and no exhaust could. The porsche isn't engineered to.
It's fine that you prefer the 911 but there is no point in saying things that aren't true let alone what you haven't even experienced such as the sound can be made by the Porsche by simple purchase of an aftermarket exhaust or that the ZF semi auto is slushy.
If you ever get chance for a blast in one then do it because you will never be able to hear the scale of the noises through YouTube clips
Your confusing contrived exhaust sounds of the F-type with the induction howl of an n/a flat 6 you need to drive one to understand.It's fine that you prefer the 911 but there is no point in saying things that aren't true let alone what you haven't even experienced such as the sound can be made by the Porsche by simple purchase of an aftermarket exhaust or that the ZF semi auto is slushy.
If you ever get chance for a blast in one then do it because you will never be able to hear the scale of the noises through YouTube clips
The F-types I've heard sound over the top (for the performance on offer) and artificial (which they are as the noise is generated through the exhaust not the engine induction) it was quite funny when one tried to keep up with my 2 tonne barge on the A1 the other day, he wasn't happy being left for dead by a rep mobile.
I can't comment or have nothing to add about racing a 2 tonne V10 engined barge nor it's relevance.
Edited by elementad on Saturday 29th August 08:20
elementad said:
JockySteer said:
elementad said:
You can tell you haven't driven one. There is NO porsche I have ever heard with or without aftermarket exhaust that sounds anywhere near as good as an F Type and no exhaust could. The porsche isn't engineered to.
It's fine that you prefer the 911 but there is no point in saying things that aren't true let alone what you haven't even experienced such as the sound can be made by the Porsche by simple purchase of an aftermarket exhaust or that the ZF semi auto is slushy.
If you ever get chance for a blast in one then do it because you will never be able to hear the scale of the noises through YouTube clips
Sorry, the 991 GT3 monsters the F-Type for noise. The V6 makes a great noise, but the flat 6 is an absolute masterpiece. Pure music. Then there's the mezger.. which I think makes a better noise than the F-Type as well. Especially after hearing them back to back this weekend at Beaulieu.It's fine that you prefer the 911 but there is no point in saying things that aren't true let alone what you haven't even experienced such as the sound can be made by the Porsche by simple purchase of an aftermarket exhaust or that the ZF semi auto is slushy.
If you ever get chance for a blast in one then do it because you will never be able to hear the scale of the noises through YouTube clips
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
I can't take you seriously sorry.
edit: I see from your profile you own an F-Type? Makes sense now
Edited by JockySteer on Saturday 29th August 11:27
KTF said:
In autocar this week there was a few lines saying how some of Jaguars F-Type customers had complained that the noise coming out the back is 'too loud'. 
Yup, V8 being the main issue, some want a slightly more contrived startup sequence at home, also when you want the exhaust being quiet, it still does all the popping and banging etc. Some owners when they say they want the exhaust quiet (relative to the car) they want it quiet, not banging etc on lift off etc. Wills2 said:
he wasn't happy being left for dead by a rep mobile.
What vehicle were you in? elementad said:
Difference is I HAVE heard both and it was my opinion based on that and NOT an opinion having not heard one of them.
I can't comment or have nothing to add about racing a 2 tonne V10 engined barge nor it's relevance.
I can't comment or have nothing to add about racing a 2 tonne V10 engined barge nor it's relevance.
Edited by elementad on Saturday 29th August 08:20
We get you love the v6 jag noise, no need to slate the porsche flat 6 or the GT3 noise at all, the jag noise is special but its not GT3 special. I personally have a soft spot for the v6s, and would probably opt for manual if I was speccing it. However I find it unnecessary for you to try and combat everybody else opinion on noise of the cayman/911 in comparison to the Jag. You think it sounds better, thats fine, Id argue that they make completely different noises, the 911 sounds smoother especially when the revs climb. I think although the Jag sounds good like the cayman GTS, the manufactured popping and banging is a little too excessive. Just my 10 pence worth.
mattf93 said:
KTF said:
In autocar this week there was a few lines saying how some of Jaguars F-Type customers had complained that the noise coming out the back is 'too loud'.
Yup, V8 being the main issue, some want a slightly more contrived startup sequence at home, also when you want the exhaust being quiet, it still does all the popping and banging etc. Some owners when they say they want the exhaust quiet (relative to the car) they want it quiet, not banging etc on lift off etc. Wills2 said:
he wasn't happy being left for dead by a rep mobile.
What vehicle were you in? elementad said:
Difference is I HAVE heard both and it was my opinion based on that and NOT an opinion having not heard one of them.
I can't comment or have nothing to add about racing a 2 tonne V10 engined barge nor it's relevance.
I can't comment or have nothing to add about racing a 2 tonne V10 engined barge nor it's relevance.
Edited by elementad on Saturday 29th August 08:20
We get you love the v6 jag noise, no need to slate the porsche flat 6 or the GT3 noise at all, the jag noise is special but its not GT3 special. I personally have a soft spot for the v6s, and would probably opt for manual if I was speccing it. However I find it unnecessary for you to try and combat everybody else opinion on noise of the cayman/911 in comparison to the Jag. You think it sounds better, thats fine, Id argue that they make completely different noises, the 911 sounds smoother especially when the revs climb. I think although the Jag sounds good like the cayman GTS, the manufactured popping and banging is a little too excessive. Just my 10 pence worth.
THAT seems unnecessary to me and MORE defensive (for whatever reason).
ORD said:
One more thing: the F-Type is bloody enormous in the metal and I dont like how it looks. In photos, it can look great but up close it looks seriously bloated.
I agree with this. The width of the thing is particularly surprising when seen on the road from behind.I like the fact that Jaguar are making sports cars again (as opposed to Grand Tourers) but am a bit underwhelmed by their first effort since the E Type.
Well, just for sts and giggles, I've got a metzger 996tt, and fwiw I think the f-type sounds much better, engineerined or not I love the noise. The v8 is on another planet and doesn't just "sound better" it smashes it into the dirt hard.
Driving experience? No doubt the f type isn't as good point to point for the average joe, and tool can drive a Porsche fast, the 996 is amazing, can't put a foot wrong at amazing speeds, Christ knows how good the later generation stuff is, better awd systems, better electro frippery. Must be amazing.
And here's the problem, on a nice day I default to the TVR, because it's silly, makes a bonkers noise, and is a challenge to drive.
Why don't I have an ftype? Dog st residual value. Don't have a money tree so have to make the occasional sensible decision.
Don't get me wrong, I love the pork, it's lovely to sit in, lovely to look at, drives wonderfully and goes like st off a shovel, and certainly doesn't sound bad, but give me something that's looks like the tvr, sounds like the tvr and drives likes the Porsche... I'd be there like a rat up a drainpipe. doesn't quite exist yet, the f type is pretty damn close (in v8 form)... 10k a year in depreciation isn't for me though.
Eta
Needed to add the pork does sound good at WOT absolutely full chat, flogging the arse off it. But if you do that you're immediatly at jail time speeds, just not possible in public! As engineered as it is the jag makes all the silly noises at legal speeds, which as much as speed matters is kind of important to have some fun and stay on the right side of The law.
Let's face it, how many of us track day 60-80-100k cars???
ts and giggles, I've got a metzger 996tt, and fwiw I think the f-type sounds much better, engineerined or not I love the noise. The v8 is on another planet and doesn't just "sound better" it smashes it into the dirt hard. Driving experience? No doubt the f type isn't as good point to point for the average joe, and tool can drive a Porsche fast, the 996 is amazing, can't put a foot wrong at amazing speeds, Christ knows how good the later generation stuff is, better awd systems, better electro frippery. Must be amazing.
And here's the problem, on a nice day I default to the TVR, because it's silly, makes a bonkers noise, and is a challenge to drive.
Why don't I have an ftype? Dog s
t residual value. Don't have a money tree so have to make the occasional sensible decision.Don't get me wrong, I love the pork, it's lovely to sit in, lovely to look at, drives wonderfully and goes like s
t off a shovel, and certainly doesn't sound bad, but give me something that's looks like the tvr, sounds like the tvr and drives likes the Porsche... I'd be there like a rat up a drainpipe. doesn't quite exist yet, the f type is pretty damn close (in v8 form)... 10k a year in depreciation isn't for me though. Eta
Needed to add the pork does sound good at WOT absolutely full chat, flogging the arse off it. But if you do that you're immediatly at jail time speeds, just not possible in public! As engineered as it is the jag makes all the silly noises at legal speeds, which as much as speed matters is kind of important to have some fun and stay on the right side of The law.
Let's face it, how many of us track day 60-80-100k cars???
Edited by ILoveMondeo on Saturday 29th August 19:24
YAHOO said:
FFS £108k ...And that's why Porsche are the most profitable car manufacture in the word ..
Wrong! According to some latest report, the most profitable car company isn't Porsche anymore... It is JLR!
Mainly driven by landrover sales. Evoque is a rip off in terms of profit. Antique platform, old engines, looks well built but below competition (not talking trim and finishes but overall engineering)
Jaguar isn't doing so well though. Sales are slow with cars being replaced or introduced (XF XE). XF was 50% below initial target, hence the sportbrake and AWD introduction and even a allroad, but finally canceled. The Ftype is doing ok but nothing great. Problem is it is a very expensive plateform to built. XJ is a fail sales wise
Back the home team??? Unless you live in India, what bloody home team are you referring to? As British as Chicken Tikka Masala...?
And as for the 911. Bah. No doubt some idiot will be along shortly to remind the base car is 73k. Bu tthen who buys one with zero options.
Totally irrelevant comparisons, of polar opposite cars.
You want something to really DRIVE, in the context of not spending a fortune and not having a billion bhp, look no further that the toyota / subaru 86 / brz. Cheap as chips, and plenty of fun, fitting the brief.
These other cars are a joke.
And as for the 911. Bah. No doubt some idiot will be along shortly to remind the base car is 73k. Bu tthen who buys one with zero options.
Totally irrelevant comparisons, of polar opposite cars.
You want something to really DRIVE, in the context of not spending a fortune and not having a billion bhp, look no further that the toyota / subaru 86 / brz. Cheap as chips, and plenty of fun, fitting the brief.
These other cars are a joke.
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