RE: Porsche 911 GTS vs Jaguar F-Type
Discussion
This comparison is all kinds of stupid. At comparable price the Jag V8R would walk it in outright speed and the fact that this one is half the price and still more desirable to most. I often wonder who buys 911s these days and then I look at my neighbours and realise that it's the herd mentality. I doubt many of them have even heard of the F type.
Have to say it'd be F-type vs 997 GT3 (obviously secondhand), the 991 wouldn't even enter into it - overpriced and insufficiently interactive... Porsche need to go back to their previous 911s and realise what made even the base-model 911s special. Steering feel, decent manual gearbox (I've heard a lot of bad things of the new PDK-derived 7-speed), light weight, basic minimum of equipment, engine naturally-aspirated (and not dulled by direct injection either).
RoverP6B said:
Have to say it'd be F-type vs 997 GT3 (obviously secondhand), the 991 wouldn't even enter into it - overpriced and insufficiently interactive... Porsche need to go back to their previous 911s and realise what made even the base-model 911s special. Steering feel, decent manual gearbox (I've heard a lot of bad things of the new PDK-derived 7-speed), light weight, basic minimum of equipment, engine naturally-aspirated (and not dulled by direct injection either).
I don't get this, people saying they wouldn't have a Porsche because it's common then people saying 'what Porsche need to do is....'Porsche know what they are doing and sell a product a lot of people want, it might not what a lot of PH people want but still.
FWIW money no onbect i'd have the Porsche but I am keeping a close eye on ftype values as I do think they are fabulous things and may be in the market for one next year
unpc said:
This comparison is all kinds of stupid. At comparable price the Jag V8R would walk it in outright speed and the fact that this one is half the price and still more desirable to most. I often wonder who buys 911s these days and then I look at my neighbours and realise that it's the herd mentality. I doubt many of them have even heard of the F type.
The 911 consistently spanks much more powerful cars in drag races, let alone on track. But keep plugging for the British car and pretend it's objective. The F-Type is overpriced and grossly overweight when compared to the Porsche 2-seater. A full 300kg heavier than a Cayman! That's shocking. Probably why the Cayman is consistently much faster on track (if that matters) and by far the more resolved and balanced driver's car.
The anti-Porsche nonsense on this site is astonishing at times. Sure, you can dislike the best mainstream sports/GT marque, but to pretend its cars are anything short of excellence is laughable. Only on PH is it 'herd mentality' to buy the best car in its class. Here's an idea: maybe people buy cars because they like them rather than worrying about trying to be different and cool.
I bet you buy Cava for a celebration just to avoid Champagne (too obvious a choice) and avoid all Apple products (too obvious a choice / herd mentality).
I would love British cars not to be fairly s
t, but they still are in this category. The two cars are simply not comparable, a fairer test would have been the V8 F-type against the GTS as their performance and price is similar.
The gulf between the two cars tested is huge in terms of price and performance 4 secs to 62 vs. 5.7 the jag would get out dragged by a 330d for gods sake.
The article suggests that the V8 is rival for the Turbo but that would get mullered against a 911 turbo as well again it's a different level of car, pretty car the jag but not a 911 competitor they have moved the car on to a different level.
The gulf between the two cars tested is huge in terms of price and performance 4 secs to 62 vs. 5.7 the jag would get out dragged by a 330d for gods sake.
The article suggests that the V8 is rival for the Turbo but that would get mullered against a 911 turbo as well again it's a different level of car, pretty car the jag but not a 911 competitor they have moved the car on to a different level.
ORD said:
The 911 consistently spanks much more powerful cars in drag races, let alone on track. But keep plugging for the British car and pretend it's objective.
The F-Type is overpriced and grossly overweight when compared to the Porsche 2-seater. A full 300kg heavier than a Cayman! That's shocking. Probably why the Cayman is consistently much faster on track (if that matters) and by far the more resolved and balanced driver's car.
The anti-Porsche nonsense on this site is astonishing at times. Sure, you can dislike the best mainstream sports/GT marque, but to pretend its cars are anything short of excellence is laughable. Only on PH is it 'herd mentality' to buy the best car in its class. Here's an idea: maybe people buy cars because they like them rather than worrying about trying to be different and cool.
I bet you buy Cava for a celebration just to avoid Champagne (too obvious a choice) and avoid all Apple products (too obvious a choice / herd mentality).
I would love British cars not to be fairly st, but they still are in this category.
Couldn't agree more.....The F-Type is overpriced and grossly overweight when compared to the Porsche 2-seater. A full 300kg heavier than a Cayman! That's shocking. Probably why the Cayman is consistently much faster on track (if that matters) and by far the more resolved and balanced driver's car.
The anti-Porsche nonsense on this site is astonishing at times. Sure, you can dislike the best mainstream sports/GT marque, but to pretend its cars are anything short of excellence is laughable. Only on PH is it 'herd mentality' to buy the best car in its class. Here's an idea: maybe people buy cars because they like them rather than worrying about trying to be different and cool.
I bet you buy Cava for a celebration just to avoid Champagne (too obvious a choice) and avoid all Apple products (too obvious a choice / herd mentality).
I would love British cars not to be fairly s
t, but they still are in this category. The jaguar is a nice effort but it is nowhere near the level of excellence of the porsche, and the price reflects it. It is more muscle car than advanced sportscar. Heavy, simple tech, big power, where the porsche tries to be perfect in every aspect. Different product really.
I just find the jaguar a bit old fashion with all these creases and pointy corners, cannon like exhaust, fake vents all over. It is not as sleek and modern looking as the german. The side view comparison is cruel, the jag looks so thick.
And look at the bonnet shut gap on one of the close up pictures, it is shocking!
I just find the jaguar a bit old fashion with all these creases and pointy corners, cannon like exhaust, fake vents all over. It is not as sleek and modern looking as the german. The side view comparison is cruel, the jag looks so thick.
And look at the bonnet shut gap on one of the close up pictures, it is shocking!
ORD said:
unpc said:
This comparison is all kinds of stupid. At comparable price the Jag V8R would walk it in outright speed and the fact that this one is half the price and still more desirable to most. I often wonder who buys 911s these days and then I look at my neighbours and realise that it's the herd mentality. I doubt many of them have even heard of the F type.
The 911 consistently spanks much more powerful cars in drag races, let alone on track. But keep plugging for the British car and pretend it's objective. The F-Type is overpriced and grossly overweight when compared to the Porsche 2-seater. A full 300kg heavier than a Cayman! That's shocking. Probably why the Cayman is consistently much faster on track (if that matters) and by far the more resolved and balanced driver's car.
The anti-Porsche nonsense on this site is astonishing at times. Sure, you can dislike the best mainstream sports/GT marque, but to pretend its cars are anything short of excellence is laughable. Only on PH is it 'herd mentality' to buy the best car in its class. Here's an idea: maybe people buy cars because they like them rather than worrying about trying to be different and cool.
I bet you buy Cava for a celebration just to avoid Champagne (too obvious a choice) and avoid all Apple products (too obvious a choice / herd mentality).
I would love British cars not to be fairly s
t, but they still are in this category. The current 5 series and 6 series are very heavy. Many regard them (well the M5 & M6)as objectively better than their much lighter competitors. The let's-pretend engine noises and German interior & exterior is enough to put me off but hey... Likewise you wouldn't want a Nissan GTR landing on your foot either but I don't hear many people flatly dismissing them as s
t on the basis of kerb weight.A great comparison, the F type and 911 have plenty of crossover areas (the actual models here obviously not in sync)- price/performance/usability/style. One appears to be sharp and light on its feet, the other a bit less agile but more playful.
What you choose depends on where your preferences lie- nice to have the choice.
Would I actually drop £80k plus on a jag? Not sure...
What you choose depends on where your preferences lie- nice to have the choice.
Would I actually drop £80k plus on a jag? Not sure...
I would never suggest that the British press give the F-Type a free pass, but....trying to suggest that overly light feel-less electric power steering is any kind of plus point in a 'purist sports car' is stretching it just a little bit.
On the other hand well done PH for having the balls to mark down the 911 on having limits so ridiculously high that it just makes it boring at safe road speeds. That is a design flaw in a 'purist sports car' and should be noted as such.
On the other hand (I have three hands?!) we all know that neither of these are real sports cars (purist ones or not). They're both big bloated GTs, but one of them is more fun and engaging than the other. Kudos Jag.
On the other hand well done PH for having the balls to mark down the 911 on having limits so ridiculously high that it just makes it boring at safe road speeds. That is a design flaw in a 'purist sports car' and should be noted as such.
On the other hand (I have three hands?!) we all know that neither of these are real sports cars (purist ones or not). They're both big bloated GTs, but one of them is more fun and engaging than the other. Kudos Jag.
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