RE: Porsche 911 GTS vs Jaguar F-Type
Discussion
ORD said:
The 911 consistently spanks much more powerful cars in drag races, let alone on track. But keep plugging for the British car and pretend it's objective.
The F-Type is overpriced and grossly overweight when compared to the Porsche 2-seater. A full 300kg heavier than a Cayman! That's shocking. Probably why the Cayman is consistently much faster on track (if that matters) and by far the more resolved and balanced driver's car.
The anti-Porsche nonsense on this site is astonishing at times. Sure, you can dislike the best mainstream sports/GT marque, but to pretend its cars are anything short of excellence is laughable. Only on PH is it 'herd mentality' to buy the best car in its class. Here's an idea: maybe people buy cars because they like them rather than worrying about trying to be different and cool.
I bet you buy Cava for a celebration just to avoid Champagne (too obvious a choice) and avoid all Apple products (too obvious a choice / herd mentality).
I would love British cars not to be fairly s
t, but they still are in this category.
Could not write it better myself The F-Type is overpriced and grossly overweight when compared to the Porsche 2-seater. A full 300kg heavier than a Cayman! That's shocking. Probably why the Cayman is consistently much faster on track (if that matters) and by far the more resolved and balanced driver's car.
The anti-Porsche nonsense on this site is astonishing at times. Sure, you can dislike the best mainstream sports/GT marque, but to pretend its cars are anything short of excellence is laughable. Only on PH is it 'herd mentality' to buy the best car in its class. Here's an idea: maybe people buy cars because they like them rather than worrying about trying to be different and cool.
I bet you buy Cava for a celebration just to avoid Champagne (too obvious a choice) and avoid all Apple products (too obvious a choice / herd mentality).
I would love British cars not to be fairly s
t, but they still are in this category. 
pti said:
Bold statement (no pun intended).
ETA - I see you drive a Porsche. Makes sense now
I had no choice in the matter. My cars turn up outside my house on a random basis, and I then have to pretend to think they are excellent and make up reasons for buying them. It's not like I get the chance to read reviews, carry out test drives and pick the cars I like best. If I did that, then it might make perfect sense that I prefer them to the competition (i.e the cars that I decided not to buy and, in some cases, not even to bother driving).ETA - I see you drive a Porsche. Makes sense now
(Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit...but it's fun.)
ORD said:
pti said:
Bold statement (no pun intended).
ETA - I see you drive a Porsche. Makes sense now
I had no choice in the matter. My cars turn up outside my house on a random basis, and I then have to pretend to think they are excellent and make up reasons for buying them. It's not like I get the chance to read reviews, carry out test drives and pick the cars I like best. If I did that, then it might make perfect sense that I prefer them to the competition (i.e the cars that I decided not to buy and, in some cases, not even to bother driving).ETA - I see you drive a Porsche. Makes sense now
(Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit...but it's fun.)
pti said:
But you haven't driven an F-Type? So on that basis you knew you wouldn't like it based on reviews, most of which applaud how it drives.
I think it's more the case that he decided he wouldn't like it based on the spec sheet. Which is fair enough, there's far too many cars on the market to make test driving them all viable when you're deciding what to buy. When I bought my current car I short-listed something like twenty models to test drive, I had to discount the other hundreds of cars out there somehow. 
Would I have test-driven the F-type had it been out and in budget at the time? Honestly, probably not, I suspect the weight would have caused me to discount it.
Edited by kambites on Friday 28th August 10:27
mercer868 said:
If you're looking at these exact specs. 911 hands down. Not only is it the better car, at these specs, it is the best looking
Looks are purely subjective. Granted the F-type in this guise needs a bigger set of alloys but imo it is ahead of the Porker in the looks department. That rear end 
To my eyes almost everything is ahead of the Porsche in the looks department. Early 911s sort of got away with their ungainly "wheel-base too short" stance because they looked dainty and cute. Every 911 since about the 993 just looks misproportioned and ugly to me.
That wouldn't stop me buying one if I needed a 2+2 though. Looks aren't high on my priorities, my current car is pretty dumpy and poorly proportioned.
That wouldn't stop me buying one if I needed a 2+2 though. Looks aren't high on my priorities, my current car is pretty dumpy and poorly proportioned.
pti said:
But you haven't driven an F-Type? So on that basis you knew you wouldn't like it based on reviews, most of which applaud how it drives.
No, they dont. The Autocar reviews are mixed and I dont have much time for other reviews (except Evo). The overall verdict is not really consistent with the detailed and more objective remarks. Autocar loves JLR and still couldnt really bring itself not to mention that the F-Type feels its mass and isnt massively composed.I knew I wouldnt like it because of the reviews and because:-
(1) I have never driven a car that weighs more than about 1500kg that I found worthy of being called a sports car. A car that weighs as much as 1700kg always feels very compromised to me, even the E90 M3 and the Vantage. You start to need much firmer suspension and heavy brakes to cope with the weight, and that affects ride and turn-in. Equally importantly, cars all feel their mass at low revs and low speed. I find Porsches to feel lardy when you pull off gently, and that irks me; but the characteristic is even more noticeable once the mass gets silly.
(2) The F-Type was, at the time I was looking at 2-seaters, only available with a ZF 8-speed auto! No point test-driving a slushbox just to find out its a slushbox. I have experienced that 'box in various iterations and I really dont like it.
(3) I dont like forced induction. Not a massive issue given that the F-Type is s/c but it was a factor.
(4) I generally hate a lot of the things that people like about the F-Type: contrived poppy and shouty exhausts, tail-out handling in the wet, light steering. (The 981 and 991 suffer from some of these things, too, to be fair.)
I was still tempted to test one, but it was the 'box that made me think it wasnt even worth the effort. Now that you can get a manual 'box, I would at least give the thing a chance to prove me wrong
ORD said:
pti said:
But you haven't driven an F-Type? So on that basis you knew you wouldn't like it based on reviews, most of which applaud how it drives.
No, they dont. The Autocar reviews are mixed and I dont have much time for other reviews (except Evo). The overall verdict is not really consistent with the detailed and more objective remarks. Autocar loves JLR and still couldnt really bring itself not to mention that the F-Type feels its mass and isnt massively composed.I knew I wouldnt like it because of the reviews and because:-
(1) I have never driven a car that weighs more than about 1500kg that I found worthy of being called a sports car. A car that weighs as much as 1700kg always feels very compromised to me, even the E90 M3 and the Vantage. You start to need much firmer suspension and heavy brakes to cope with the weight, and that affects ride and turn-in. Equally importantly, cars all feel their mass at low revs and low speed. I find Porsches to feel lardy when you pull off gently, and that irks me; but the characteristic is even more noticeable once the mass gets silly.
(2) The F-Type was, at the time I was looking at 2-seaters, only available with a ZF 8-speed auto! No point test-driving a slushbox just to find out its a slushbox. I have experienced that 'box in various iterations and I really dont like it.
(3) I dont like forced induction. Not a massive issue given that the F-Type is s/c but it was a factor.
(4) I generally hate a lot of the things that people like about the F-Type: contrived poppy and shouty exhausts, tail-out handling in the wet, light steering. (The 981 and 991 suffer from some of these things, too, to be fair.)
I was still tempted to test one, but it was the 'box that made me think it wasnt even worth the effort. Now that you can get a manual 'box, I would at least give the thing a chance to prove me wrong
daveco said:
Looks are purely subjective. Granted the F-type in this guise needs a bigger set of alloys but imo it is ahead of the Porker in the looks department. That rear end
I am sure there are some specs of the F-type that are better looking and you're right it is subjective. I do not mind people that appreciate the quality of the 911 and would rather the F-type, great car it is indeed. Just hate the "haters" of porsche..they are the clueless bunch
0000 said:
smilo996 said:
As for the idea that the 911 is more practical because it has rear seats. Try 30 mins in a rear seat.
Try leaving putting the kids in the boot.
The only reason I'd ever buy a 911 would be to put the child(ren) in the back. I can remember travelling in the back of 911s when I was in my early teens and modern ones have a damned slight more space than they did back then. ORD said:
One more thing: the F-Type is bloody enormous in the metal and I dont like how it looks. In photos, it can look great but up close it looks seriously bloated.
Agree with the size comment (though i dont think it looks bloated personally) - was surprised how sodding huge they are as the pics do make them look relatively dainty have driven a V6s convertible and a V8 coupe...also thought the V6 was the better car. Totally feels like a GT type car to me though, rather than a sports car...i think id group with AMV8 style cars..
Unlike ORD, however, I very much liked the 'faked' exhaust pops and bangs!
JockySteer said:
Some of what I read on this forum boggles my mind. Really. 
I find the Jag's exterior and interior much more attractive than the 911's - infinitely so. Without having driven either, I think the F-type is a much more characterful car than the 911, it's also rarer and cheaper. I also prefer the brand. The F-type is a car I would keep for a long time, whereas the Porsche is just a box I'd like to tick one day. I also prefer FR to RR. I don't care about acceleration figures, turn-in, mid-corner balance or exit traction, not in this instance at least - both are more than fast enough for daily use, which is what they are intended for and they far exceed my driving capabilities. I'd just get a base Caterham or an old, leggy M3 for track use. The only Porsches I like are the 944, 968 and 928, each of which could be bought with the change, just because it's left. That's just how I see things, but how mind-boggling do you find it?
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