That's it, I'm f**king done with cyclists...
Discussion
NoNeed said:
Why should you be forced to go on a different route by an illegal gathering that is obstructing the highway in contravention of several laws?
We are not talking one occasion it is already in the hundreds and serves absolutely no good purpose other than to annoy people if that is the aim.
Why should cyclists be forced to avoid roads used by dangerous drivers? It's not like they get sympathy on here, so I'm not sure why motorcyclists should be treated differently.We are not talking one occasion it is already in the hundreds and serves absolutely no good purpose other than to annoy people if that is the aim.
Either rights matter or they don't...
paranoid airbag said:
NoNeed said:
Why should you be forced to go on a different route by an illegal gathering that is obstructing the highway in contravention of several laws?
We are not talking one occasion it is already in the hundreds and serves absolutely no good purpose other than to annoy people if that is the aim.
Why should cyclists be forced to avoid roads used by dangerous drivers? It's not like they get sympathy on here, so I'm not sure why motorcyclists should be treated differently.We are not talking one occasion it is already in the hundreds and serves absolutely no good purpose other than to annoy people if that is the aim.
Either rights matter or they don't...
It looks as though my decision to leave London working back in 1994 was well timed but by chance. Being repeatedly and seriously delayed by a large bunch of divine right cyclists with drunks in their ranks would be just soooo delightful.
The presence or absence of 'dangerous' road users of all types is something we all contend with.
Why are posters so agitated with this CM nonsense - you know when it's going to occur so just avoid it. Irritating and banal it certainly is but surely not worth 'foaming at the mouth' over.
These CM participants are very sad, isolated, small minded people who othertwise lead boring and useless lives - this one event a month gives them a 'buzz', a reason to 'be alive', to experience some power they clearly lack in their own miserable lives, to cock a snook at society and authority whilst they shelter in the safety in numbers. Something they would never do on an individual level because they just don't have the 'balls'.
Yes, the majority here may not fully understand it because, well, we are not that sad, do not hold a grudge against society or whatever because we take charge of our own lives/destiny and try to make something of ourselves rather than take a 'victim' approach to living.
These sorry individuals are to be pitied more than anything else - to have such shallow lives that this is a great occasion is just downright pitiful.
Of course, there is a possibility that there will eventually be an event where a number of them tip some psycho motorist over the top and a number of them will end up severly injured. The irony is that the gridlock they cause may well delay the emergency services getting to them in a reasonable time to their own detriment. Along with many here, I shall not shed any tears if this comes to pass.
Chillax, as my two lads keep telling me!
These CM participants are very sad, isolated, small minded people who othertwise lead boring and useless lives - this one event a month gives them a 'buzz', a reason to 'be alive', to experience some power they clearly lack in their own miserable lives, to cock a snook at society and authority whilst they shelter in the safety in numbers. Something they would never do on an individual level because they just don't have the 'balls'.
Yes, the majority here may not fully understand it because, well, we are not that sad, do not hold a grudge against society or whatever because we take charge of our own lives/destiny and try to make something of ourselves rather than take a 'victim' approach to living.
These sorry individuals are to be pitied more than anything else - to have such shallow lives that this is a great occasion is just downright pitiful.
Of course, there is a possibility that there will eventually be an event where a number of them tip some psycho motorist over the top and a number of them will end up severly injured. The irony is that the gridlock they cause may well delay the emergency services getting to them in a reasonable time to their own detriment. Along with many here, I shall not shed any tears if this comes to pass.
Chillax, as my two lads keep telling me!
paranoid airbag said:
NoNeed said:
Why should you be forced to go on a different route by an illegal gathering that is obstructing the highway in contravention of several laws?
We are not talking one occasion it is already in the hundreds and serves absolutely no good purpose other than to annoy people if that is the aim.
Why should cyclists be forced to avoid roads used by dangerous drivers? It's not like they get sympathy on here, so I'm not sure why motorcyclists should be treated differently.We are not talking one occasion it is already in the hundreds and serves absolutely no good purpose other than to annoy people if that is the aim.
Either rights matter or they don't...
I want cyclist to be treated exactly the same as everybody else is and have laws to follow and training where necessary.
grumpy52 said:
Until cyclists ride in a safe and considerate manner on safe bikes why should I as a car and truck driver and sometimes motorcycle rider treat them with anything other than disdain ?
Until [insert mode of transport here] ride in a safe and considerate manner on safe [insert mode of transport here] why should I as a [insert mode of transport here] treat them with anything other than disdain?Try thinking it through for five minutes and you'll realise why your post is so inane.
rohrl said:
Until [insert mode of transport here] ride in a safe and considerate manner on safe [insert mode of transport here] why should I as a [insert mode of transport here] treat them with anything other than disdain?
Try thinking it through for five minutes and you'll realise why your post is so inane.
Maybe you should try thinking it through.........most other forms of road users don't do what the op is describing, i.e., block the roads for no other reason than that they feel like it. The fact that some idiot has decreed it legal is neither here nor there, that just displays a lack of basic common sense, it's allowing a minority to disrupt the majority, and for no good reason.Try thinking it through for five minutes and you'll realise why your post is so inane.
I find it ridiculous that it's legal for a vehicle to be travelling at 15mph on a 40 limit road, with a massive queue of traffic behind it, and the rider either oblivious or uncaring as to the issues he or she is causing. If you were to drive in a car on a motorway in that manner, you'd be stopped and questioned as to what the hell you thought you were doing.
If a vehicle can't make progress without impinging on others, it's unfit for purpose. Edited to add, I get held up by tractors on occasion, but at least the drivers of these are courteous enough to understand what they're doing, and pull over to help when they can.
Edited by Heaveho on Sunday 30th August 12:44
Edited by Heaveho on Sunday 30th August 13:29
Ghibli said:
For anyone who has an interest in learning the cycling school of YouTube.
Cam warrior Bell End tip No 1 as follows.
http://youtu.be/A2s01JvgzKc
Another dCam warrior Bell End tip No 1 as follows.
http://youtu.be/A2s01JvgzKc
head cyclist like downhillwker or whatever his name is.I remember a CM demo in Greenwich a few years ago but didn't know it was a monthly thing. It is not spontaneous which is the authorities reason for not doing anything. Therefore the police, etc should do something about it.
IIRC there was a vehicle demo (taxi drivers?) round Parliament Square and the police intervened. They need to do the same with CM.
Winter is coming so bring out the water cannons and give them a good soaking. With any luck their bikes will go rusty as well.
Buy an old airport water cannon and give these aholes a good soaking.TooMany2cvs said:
Blakewater said:
TooMany2cvs said:
Ghost91 said:
No I didn't mean anyone should deliberately go that way to make a point, obviously.
Great. So we're in agreement that the sensible response would have been to not go that way.Just as you would if that road was utterly stationary for any other reason.
Undinist said:
Just be thankful your bike wasn't pushed over. If you're dumb enough to fk with CM you deserve everything you get. I've seen cars attacked, bicycles crushed and fist fights at other CMs.
As you have two threads about this I shall pop over and post this on the other one.
Why should Londoners be intimidated? Why should they be forced to hide under their duvets in fear on the last Friday of every month? I thought at least one of the original points behind Critical Mass was sharing the road and encouraging people to respect each other. Indeed it's billed as having a carnival atmosphere. No one has ever complained of feeling intimidated by the Notting Hill Carnival or a Gay Pride parade, even if the road closures are a nuisance for a short time.k with CM you deserve everything you get. I've seen cars attacked, bicycles crushed and fist fights at other CMs.As you have two threads about this I shall pop over and post this on the other one.
Even in the sanitised video of the event showing people building up to it we can see kids getting tanked up on Stella and I doubt they're there for anything other than the thrill of causing trouble and disruption while having safety in numbers and the veil of legitimacy Critical Mass brings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Xg_tIakARc
Ghost91 said:
TooMany2cvs said:
Go on, give me a clue as to which motorway in central London Critical Mess are likely to be bunging...?
It was an example of how things can be unavoidable - point being it isn't always possible or safe to just turn around, especially if you don't know where you're going - which you know, you're just being a tt for no real reason it seems. Perhaps you were one of these scumbag CM cyclists.....Edited by Ghost91 on Sunday 30th August 10:10
Anyone who commutes by car in and out of the centre of London will build up a large repertoire of route options in a rather short period of time. When your standard route becomes bogged down you will always have any number of alternative routes through side roads. It's not some one road provincial village but the densest collection of roads in the UK and with the odd rare exception when an event or incident really does bugger the whole place up then getting caught up in a group of cyclists because either a lifestyle choice or an act of stupidity.
What might be plausible is that as motorbikes get held up far less by traffic then a biker may not have the need to build up such a knowledge of alternative routes?
Heaveho said:
Maybe you should try thinking it through.........most other forms of road users don't do what the op is describing, i.e., block the roads for no other reason that that they feel like it. The fact that some idiot has decreed it legal is neither here nor there, that just displays a lack of basic common sense, it's allowing a minority to disrupt the majority, and for no good reason.
I don't agree with the actions of this "Critical Mass" bunch of morons, so don't really have anything to say here. In the specific example of the OP, I'd be annoyed too; it seems like pissing off other road users for the sake of it. But in general...Heaveho said:
I find it ridiculous that it's legal for a vehicle to be travelling at 15mph on a 40 limit road, with a massive queue of traffic behind it, and the rider either oblivious or uncaring as to the issues he or she is causing. If you were to drive in a car on a motorway in that manner, you'd be stopped and questioned as to what the hell you thought you were doing.
That you find it ridiculous is your own problem. You've mistakenly assumed that the use of the roads is purely for motorists, or those that can be as fast as motorists. I was made fully aware during my driver tuition that the road is to be shared by different vehicles of different speeds and abilities and to act accordingly. I'm happy with that, and in my opinion, if you can't deal with that, then you shouldn't be behind the wheel of a car, because your arrogance and frustration could well cause a serious accident one day.Also, please don't use hyperbole to back up your point; these "massive queues of traffic" you claim simply do not happen because the majority of motorists are capable and confident enough to be able to overtake a cyclist, especially on a road with a 40MPH limit. If you think that a cyclist doing 15MPH in a 40MPH limit is such a massive impingement, then again, I would say look to your own ability as a driver. I don't think I've ever been held up by a cyclist for more than 15 seconds or so whilst attempting to pass, and as I said above, you should be mature and humble enough to accept that they have every right to use the roads and you have an obligation to accept that and act accordingly.
From the perspective of a cyclist, I was out riding myself today. I was doing about that speed along a 40MPH road myself, that was fairly busy. And I was passed multiple times by multiple vehicles with absolutely no drama whatsoever, and with no tailbacks forming.
Heaveho said:
If a vehicle can't make progress without impinging on others, it's unfit for purpose. Edited to add, I get held up by tractors on occasion, but at least the drivers of these are courteous enough to understand what they're doing, and pull over to help when they can.
See above. Cyclists rarely impinge on others in reality. And your argument using tractors holds no water whatsoever; I've lost count of the amount of times I've sat in a tailback caused by a tractor crawling at 15-20MPH along a dual carriageway. I've also been stuck behind tractors stubbornly refusing to pull in and let faster traffic past on smaller ruler roads. In comparison, cyclists can be passed safely with ease, and where they can't, in my experience, I find that they are happy to quickly find space to pull in to let me past.wolves_wanderer said:
Two wrongs make a right, got it.
Two wrongs don't make a rightThe world's oldest copout. Obviously this term was coined by someone who had just wronged someone and feared their wrath.
I know I just punched you in the face for no reason even though you were minding your own business, but don't hit me back because two wrongs don't make a right bro.
Source: MarcusDude
DonkeyApple said:
Perhaps you are just a bit too 'village' to comprehend the point that he is making.
Anyone who commutes by car in and out of the centre of London will build up a large repertoire of route options in a rather short period of time. When your standard route becomes bogged down you will always have any number of alternative routes through side roads. It's not some one road provincial village but the densest collection of roads in the UK and with the odd rare exception when an event or incident really does bugger the whole place up then getting caught up in a group of cyclists because either a lifestyle choice or an act of stupidity.
What might be plausible is that as motorbikes get held up far less by traffic then a biker may not have the need to build up such a knowledge of alternative routes?
Whilst I don't live there anymore thank god, I'm from London - so thank you for the rather patronising comments about my comprehension of city driving, but I understand what the chap was trying to say. I merely disagree that you can always turn around in any situation.Sometimes, once you're there you're there and have to do what you can. You may get caught up and don't know another way out, not everyone in London has an encyclopaedic knowledge of the roads, I know I certainly didn't when I lived there. I didn't realise I said anything worth arguing about to be honest, it sounds like we're all on the same side after all. Anyone who commutes by car in and out of the centre of London will build up a large repertoire of route options in a rather short period of time. When your standard route becomes bogged down you will always have any number of alternative routes through side roads. It's not some one road provincial village but the densest collection of roads in the UK and with the odd rare exception when an event or incident really does bugger the whole place up then getting caught up in a group of cyclists because either a lifestyle choice or an act of stupidity.
What might be plausible is that as motorbikes get held up far less by traffic then a biker may not have the need to build up such a knowledge of alternative routes?
Conscript said:
See above. Cyclists rarely impinge on others in reality. And your argument using tractors holds no water whatsoever; I've lost count of the amount of times I've sat in a tailback caused by a tractor crawling at 15-20MPH along a dual carriageway. I've also been stuck behind tractors stubbornly refusing to pull in and let faster traffic past on smaller ruler roads. In comparison, cyclists can be passed safely with ease, and where they can't, in my experience, I find that they are happy to quickly find space to pull in to let me past.
I think we're completely at odds with each others viewpoint. Let's agree that we each think the other is talking rubbish and leave it there.vikingaero said:
wolves_wanderer said:
Two wrongs make a right, got it.
Two wrongs don't make a rightThe world's oldest copout. Obviously this term was coined by someone who had just wronged someone and feared their wrath.
Or do you agree with the uphillloader mentality where he chases down every wrongdoing just to make a point?
Mave said:
NoNeed said:
The roads are policed for dangerous drivers and policed rather well.
Bullocks they are. The large number of reported incidents on this forum, dashcammed or not, suggests quite the opposite.Yet every single one 100% of these gathering is illegal and has illegal and dangerous activity.
NoNeed said:
Mave said:
NoNeed said:
The roads are policed for dangerous drivers and policed rather well.
Bullocks they are. The large number of reported incidents on this forum, dashcammed or not, suggests quite the opposite.Yet every single one 100% of these gathering is illegal and has illegal and dangerous activity.
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