That's it, I'm f**king done with cyclists...
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St John Smythe said:
Mave said:
St John Smythe said:
Mave said:
St John Smythe said:
Strawman said:
I'll just assume your are another trolling cycling enthusiast that seems to have infested PH.
Well said. It's always the same small minority of posters too.If you look at the posts where I've been accused of being a troll, my posts have been calm, unconfrontational, unambiguous, and uninflammatory. So how does that make me a troll? Or is it simply the case that referring to someone as a troll is a convenient deflection tactic?
BGarside said:
227bhp said:
I'd agree with that.
I'm a motorist, always have been, recently though i've been doing a bit of cycling. The problem between motorists and cyclists is arrogance, ignorance, lack of empathy, consideration and just generally 'f
k you, you , I've got right of way, you haven't'.
I'm cycling the other day up a one way street with cars parked down one side, it's uphill and i'm slow. Behind me I can hear 'Duff duff duff, boom boom boom', I glance round and there is some kid in a Corsa who can't pass.
So what to do?
I hopped up onto the deserted pavement via a lowered kerb, Corsaboy comes past slowly. I look across at him and he grins and gives me the thumbs up for letting him through, job done.
It's as easy as that.
No, sorry. Believe it or not, whether cycling or driving I am a legitimate road user who just wants to get somewhere, which I'm never going to if I have to jump onto the pavement and cycle there illegally every time a car wants to pass. I'm a motorist, always have been, recently though i've been doing a bit of cycling. The problem between motorists and cyclists is arrogance, ignorance, lack of empathy, consideration and just generally 'f
k you, you , I've got right of way, you haven't'.I'm cycling the other day up a one way street with cars parked down one side, it's uphill and i'm slow. Behind me I can hear 'Duff duff duff, boom boom boom', I glance round and there is some kid in a Corsa who can't pass.
So what to do?
I hopped up onto the deserted pavement via a lowered kerb, Corsaboy comes past slowly. I look across at him and he grins and gives me the thumbs up for letting him through, job done.
It's as easy as that.
Your approach just reinforces what appears to be a common attitude of drivers that cyclists do not deserve to use the roads, despite having every legal right to do so...
It was an occurrence where two people worked together to improve the situation, both parties came away happy. I wasn't slowed in any way and still made it home in the same time as usual, even if I hadn't then so what? I'm the slower of the two, yet the more agile so I used what I have to overcome what I haven't.
It proved that it does work if we apply common sense and take the opposite view of the ones I outlined earlier (which appear to be yours).
Edited by 227bhp on Monday 31st August 11:45
Perhaps a few motorists could get out of their cars and cross a zebra crossing repeatedly infront of these cyclists.
I wonder how kindly they would take to being held up.
No doubt all the head mounted cameras would suddenly disappear once they started jumping the crossing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6f_B226DCmU
I wonder how kindly they would take to being held up.
No doubt all the head mounted cameras would suddenly disappear once they started jumping the crossing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6f_B226DCmU
voyds9 said:
Perhaps a few motorists could get out of their cars and cross a zebra crossing repeatedly infront of these cyclists.
I wonder how kindly they would take to being held up.
No doubt all the head mounted cameras would suddenly disappear once they started jumping the crossing.
Not too well apparently - see the last few seconds of this clip:I wonder how kindly they would take to being held up.
No doubt all the head mounted cameras would suddenly disappear once they started jumping the crossing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oHKfT1y-fM
Garvin said:
voyds9 said:
Perhaps a few motorists could get out of their cars and cross a zebra crossing repeatedly infront of these cyclists.
I wonder how kindly they would take to being held up.
No doubt all the head mounted cameras would suddenly disappear once they started jumping the crossing.
Not too well apparently - see the last few seconds of this clip:I wonder how kindly they would take to being held up.
No doubt all the head mounted cameras would suddenly disappear once they started jumping the crossing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oHKfT1y-fM
To me, they're just taking an opportunity to participate in a joint power trip of being able to do what they please, satisfied in the knowledge that safety in numbers will protect them from the consequences - which is the only thing stopping a lot of 'normal' people from acting out their own self-entitled desires and screw everyone else!
I feel sorry for the many normal people who cycle that are now being tarred with the same brush as these cretins.
(did I mention that I thought they're all dicks?
)Mave said:
SidewaysSi said:
Mave said:
anonymous said:
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Well, people have suggested that bikes aren't "fit for purpose" as they can't reach the speed limit and they have no right to hold up faster traffic...Holding up a faster vehicle seems a bit selfish to me.
And for what it's worth, barging past slower traffic is just as inconsiderate as holding up faster traffic, whilst also being more dangerous.
Of course barging past is dangerous and I think driving standards are pretty poor. However I would have thought plenty of cyclists have little experience of being on the road prior to buying a bike which is not too clever.
Having an appreciation of other road users and how vulnerable they are would go a long way.
End of the day, they will come off worse against a car so need to be aware and cycle in a manner that protects themselves without being aggressive.
Garvin said:
TooMany2cvs said:
Boshly said:
People seem to have become e confused with the House of Lords ruling, which means the gathering is legal, and the fact the riders wilfully obstruct side streets junctions and ride through red lights, which contravenes many rules and regulations. As far as I can see, this is what annoys people far more than encountering many bikes at once, once a month.
I think it's you that's confused with that ruling.That ruling held CM to be a procession - so RTA does not apply - and customarily held - so it doesn't need the route to be notified to the Police in advance.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/nov/26/critical...
Guardian article said:
The main legal issue in the appeal was whether the monthly rides were "commonly or customarily held", in which case they were exempt from the notification requirements of the Public Order Act 1986.
Police lawyers argued that the rides were not "commonly or customarily held" because, although they started at the same time from the same place on the South Bank, they did not follow the same route.
Lord Phillips ruled today that the ride was a "customary procession", even though it did not follow the same route. Evidence also showed the Met were usually able to police the ride without difficulty.
Lord Phillips said that an offence under section 11 of the act was only committed if the organisers of an event failed to comply with a prior obligation to give details of an intention to hold a "public procession".
Since Critical Mass had no organisers and there was no such obligation, the rides were not unlawful.
As such there is no mention of it being a procession or that the riders don't need to adhere to the laws?Police lawyers argued that the rides were not "commonly or customarily held" because, although they started at the same time from the same place on the South Bank, they did not follow the same route.
Lord Phillips ruled today that the ride was a "customary procession", even though it did not follow the same route. Evidence also showed the Met were usually able to police the ride without difficulty.
Lord Phillips said that an offence under section 11 of the act was only committed if the organisers of an event failed to comply with a prior obligation to give details of an intention to hold a "public procession".
Since Critical Mass had no organisers and there was no such obligation, the rides were not unlawful.
I think the police ignoring it is for an 'easy life' - understandably - but not that no laws are being broken. I for one would like to see stricter implications of the law in such circumstances to ensure those utilizing their rights to proceed don't impinge on the rights of others,
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SidewaysSi said:
My comment was not to do with being fit for purpose.
Of course barging past is dangerous and I think driving standards are pretty poor. However I would have thought plenty of cyclists have little experience of being on the road prior to buying a bike which is not too clever.
Having an appreciation of other road users and how vulnerable they are would go a long way.
End of the day, they will come off worse against a car so need to be aware and cycle in a manner that protects themselves without being aggressive.
I suspect the majority of cyclists also drive. The opposite is not the case. Unfortunately a significant number of motorists can't seem to tell the difference between defensive and aggressive cycling, and also don't appear to recognise how aggressive or intimidating their driving can appear.Of course barging past is dangerous and I think driving standards are pretty poor. However I would have thought plenty of cyclists have little experience of being on the road prior to buying a bike which is not too clever.
Having an appreciation of other road users and how vulnerable they are would go a long way.
End of the day, they will come off worse against a car so need to be aware and cycle in a manner that protects themselves without being aggressive.
Last night there was a couple of cyclist no lights on, I went to overtake and they went into the oncoming lane so I couldn't pass, I got past on a second attempt and the bds laughed at me, at the next lights a police officer who saw it crossed over and said "get off the bikes", I looked straight over at them and did the loudest laugh I could.
ds laughed at me, at the next lights a police officer who saw it crossed over and said "get off the bikes", I looked straight over at them and did the loudest laugh I could.carlove said:
Last night there was a couple of cyclist no lights on, I went to overtake and they went into the oncoming lane so I couldn't pass, I got past on a second attempt and the bds laughed at me, at the next lights a police officer who saw it crossed over and said "get off the bikes", I looked straight over at them and did the loudest laugh I could.
ds laughed at me, at the next lights a police officer who saw it crossed over and said "get off the bikes", I looked straight over at them and did the loudest laugh I could.
Mave said:
U
In London I would suspect that is not the case where many don't need to drive, let alone on a regular basis.SidewaysSi said:
My comment was not to do with being fit for purpose.
Of course barging past is dangerous and I think driving standards are pretty poor. However I would have thought plenty of cyclists have little experience of being on the road prior to buying a bike which is not too clever.
Having an appreciation of other road users and how vulnerable they are would go a long way.
End of the day, they will come off worse against a car so need to be aware and cycle in a manner that protects themselves without being aggressive.
I suspect the majority of cyclists also drive. The opposite is not the case. Unfortunately a significant number of motorists can't seem to tell the difference between defensive and aggressive cycling, and also don't appear to recognise how aggressive or intimidating their driving can appear.Of course barging past is dangerous and I think driving standards are pretty poor. However I would have thought plenty of cyclists have little experience of being on the road prior to buying a bike which is not too clever.
Having an appreciation of other road users and how vulnerable they are would go a long way.
End of the day, they will come off worse against a car so need to be aware and cycle in a manner that protects themselves without being aggressive.
I cycle a lot but I drive as well. With both it is fundamentally important to anticipate and be aware of what's going on around you. On a bike the consequences are more grave - little point blaming a driver when you are dead.
Similarly I drive a Caterham and likewise, I need to be more aware of possible actions of other motorists as there is more chance they haven't seen me.
This bus driver is needed for the next CM meet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8W6RHhVfQU
Those guys who own tanks are needed. I'd like to see these aholes put their bikes in front of a tank.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8W6RHhVfQU
Those guys who own tanks are needed. I'd like to see these a
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