Integra (DC2) vs Corrado VR6
Discussion
I had hoped the usual PH bickering antics wouldn't apply to this thread!
Sounds like they're perhaps more comparable than I thought, though still quite different cars. ITR's probably my preference but that's in large measure due to what it would be used for. The parts issue on the Corrado could be a concern, I'm use to old cars with easily accessible spares, though you often pay for the privilege!
Sounds like they're perhaps more comparable than I thought, though still quite different cars. ITR's probably my preference but that's in large measure due to what it would be used for. The parts issue on the Corrado could be a concern, I'm use to old cars with easily accessible spares, though you often pay for the privilege!
I only have a Corrado VR6 in my history so am somewhat biased. The guff about being similar to the Mk3 Golf is exactly that. I moved from a Mk2 16v Golf and had the option of a new VR6 Mk3 or a used Corrado. The Mk3 Golf was an absolute lemon, unable to cope with 20hp less than the Corrado. The Corrado convinced me within 5 minutes and I did 55k in just over 2 years in it. It remains my favourite car despite much more expensive and faster succesors. It had only one sensor problem in that time and cost bugger all in servicing and tyres. I've often reconsidered buying one but I just don't want to destroy the memory given the genuine experience of reliability others have had, parts availibility and general saginess of the cars now.
In terms of comparison, whilst both can quite rightly be described as the great front drivers of their size/style/generation they are chalk'n'cheese and I don't think think buying one now would even be the same choice as it was back then. I've never been a fan of Jap screamers, much preferred low end torque and musical 5/6 cylinder configs, however I suspect the Honda has fared better in old age as an on the limit machine suited to track days and hooning.
In terms of comparison, whilst both can quite rightly be described as the great front drivers of their size/style/generation they are chalk'n'cheese and I don't think think buying one now would even be the same choice as it was back then. I've never been a fan of Jap screamers, much preferred low end torque and musical 5/6 cylinder configs, however I suspect the Honda has fared better in old age as an on the limit machine suited to track days and hooning.
HayesDC2 said:
They'll be eligible for import to the US in a couple of years which may also drive the price up like it has with the R32 GTR.
Don't hold your breath for that. It's at least six years before the oldest examples reach the requisite 25 year mark for US import, and anyway the US had their own domestic DC2 Type-R, marketed as an Acura.rb5er said:
Dashboard and front seats as well as switchgear...mk 3 Golf.
All engines except the vr6...mk3 golf
Ancilleries....mk3 golf
Chassis...I was lead to believe....mk3 golf...it turns out mk2 golf but suspension generally mk3 golf.
Brakes....mk3 golf
So the body and rear seats are unique to the corrado. What else makes up this 90% nothing to do with a golf you speak of?
The Corrado isnt any percentage anything to be fair. Its really just a mongrel of the VAG parts bin given to Karmann to hand build. All engines except the vr6...mk3 golf
Ancilleries....mk3 golf
Chassis...I was lead to believe....mk3 golf...it turns out mk2 golf but suspension generally mk3 golf.
Brakes....mk3 golf
So the body and rear seats are unique to the corrado. What else makes up this 90% nothing to do with a golf you speak of?
Edited by rb5er on Tuesday 1st September 17:10
As others have said though, if anything its closer to a mk2 than anything else.
Once again, thanks for the feedback fellas, in particular from those who've owned them.
This was the kind of feedback I wanted, seems most owners were pleased with their decision, and whichever one they bought it met their needs, perhaps this is where they differ, you might not have considered the other. Plus I guess they're of slightly different times etc.
Think I'll be passing on the possible VR6 opportunity.
This was the kind of feedback I wanted, seems most owners were pleased with their decision, and whichever one they bought it met their needs, perhaps this is where they differ, you might not have considered the other. Plus I guess they're of slightly different times etc.
Think I'll be passing on the possible VR6 opportunity.
Had a DC2 for 3 1/2 yrs and a 16v Corrado for 18 months.
Both were really good cars, but the ITR was something special. Always had the impression the corrado was 'just' a golf in a posh frock, tho saying that i really enjoyed it - and that electric spoiler!
If i had to buy another tomorrow - ITR no doubt. Incredible handling, bullet proof engine, 9k red line.
Both were really good cars, but the ITR was something special. Always had the impression the corrado was 'just' a golf in a posh frock, tho saying that i really enjoyed it - and that electric spoiler!
If i had to buy another tomorrow - ITR no doubt. Incredible handling, bullet proof engine, 9k red line.
I've heard mention of the spoiler a few times, is it something you can see in your rear view mirror?
I've a car where you can just about see one once fully up, though to be fair I mainly check to see it's still working on such an old car! Think I'll have to see if there's a clip on utube, bound to be really!
I've a car where you can just about see one once fully up, though to be fair I mainly check to see it's still working on such an old car! Think I'll have to see if there's a clip on utube, bound to be really!
I dont know your budget but I'm sure this would be a well sorted Corrado.
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C650740#
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C650740#
V8RX7 said:
Paradaxos said:
Isn't the VR6 quite front heavy?
Yes.You can feel the weight and it pushes on in corners unlike a MkII GTi
rb5er said:
Nope. Dashboard and seats are from a mk3 golf along with switchgear. All the engines all except the vr6 are the same engines as in the mk3 golf. Suspension etc the same, ancilleries, sensors etc the same. So maybe closer to 50% of the car.
You haven't a bloody clue what you are talking about, chap, and are just making yourself look stupid. Also, humans and chimpanzees share over 90% of their DNA yet are clearly very different.
JonRB said:
You haven't a bloody clue what you are talking about, chap, and are just making yourself look stupid.
Also, humans and chimpanzees share over 90% of their DNA yet are clearly very different.
So rather than spout nonsense why not enlighten me with your facts so that I may retort.Also, humans and chimpanzees share over 90% of their DNA yet are clearly very different.
Which engines other than the vr6 differed from a mk3 golf?
Which suspension components and switchgear differed. Im all ears....
rb5er said:
Nope. Dashboard and seats are from a mk3 golf along with switchgear. All the engines all except the vr6 are the same engines as in the mk3 golf. Suspension etc the same, ancilleries, sensors etc the same. So maybe closer to 50% of the car.
I thought the Corrado floorpan was based on the the Mk2 Golf design? That is the most fundamental part of a monocoque design and ultimately determines which platform it's based on.Corrado was MkII Golf with a Passat rear axle with what VW said was passive rear wheel steer (clever rubber bushes!). Dash was Corrado-specific. It was built by Karmann.
I had an early Nugget Yellow 16v - I got Dubsport to put a 2 litre 16v Audi engine on twin 45 carbs into it. Fantastic throaty responsive fun, and lowered a touch with Bilstein shocks the handling was brilliant, literally a go cart. The VR6 did still have the legs on it I think - and the vocals. Edited to add : VR6 Golf/Passat/Sharan/Galaxy etc had a 2.8 VR6 - only the Corrado got the 2.9.
Never driven a Honda of any sort!
I had an early Nugget Yellow 16v - I got Dubsport to put a 2 litre 16v Audi engine on twin 45 carbs into it. Fantastic throaty responsive fun, and lowered a touch with Bilstein shocks the handling was brilliant, literally a go cart. The VR6 did still have the legs on it I think - and the vocals. Edited to add : VR6 Golf/Passat/Sharan/Galaxy etc had a 2.8 VR6 - only the Corrado got the 2.9.
Never driven a Honda of any sort!
rb5er said:
Yes it was. But many other bits as mentioned are mk3 golf despite the protestation of fanboys.
I'm just waiting for the previous poster to educate me with his wisdom.
wiki Corrado There ya go I'm just waiting for the previous poster to educate me with his wisdom.
But I'm sure an Integra has nothing at all to do with a Civic or a Jizz.
rb5er said:
So rather than spout nonsense why not enlighten me with your facts so that I may retort.
Which engines other than the vr6 differed from a mk3 golf?
Which suspension components and switchgear differed. Im all ears....
Plenty of others have already answered your questions and given you the information. Whether or not you wish to be enlightened is up to you to read them. Which engines other than the vr6 differed from a mk3 golf?
Which suspension components and switchgear differed. Im all ears....
This reply, for example, sums things up fairly succinctly:
andy43 said:
Corrado was MkII Golf with a Passat rear axle with what VW said was passive rear wheel steer (clever rubber bushes!). Dash was Corrado-specific. It was built by Karmann.
So nothing like a Mk3 Golf then*. Well, other than the fact that VW are very good at making use of common parts on many models. For example, I changed the front discs, carriers and pistons on my Corrado to be those from the Mk3 Golf GTi as they were the biggest available that would still fit within the standard 15" wheels. But that's nothing new - it's a standard conversion to, for example, fit the Capri's front disc brake assembly to the Mk1 Escort to convert it to discs, but that doesn't make the Mk1 Escort a Capri. [* - especially since the Corrado pre-dates the Golf Mk3 and uses the Mk2's floor pan. Not the Mk3's]
Edited by JonRB on Friday 4th September 19:44
rb5er said:
JonRB said:
You haven't a bloody clue what you are talking about, chap, and are just making yourself look stupid.
Also, humans and chimpanzees share over 90% of their DNA yet are clearly very different.
So rather than spout nonsense why not enlighten me with your facts so that I may retort.Also, humans and chimpanzees share over 90% of their DNA yet are clearly very different.
Which engines other than the vr6 differed from a mk3 golf?
Which suspension components and switchgear differed. Im all ears....
Sadly I have no time for DC2's as they are all now sporting a gay fart cannon exhaust, working next to a Honda breaker for a few years that noise got slightly annoying, though a good car nonetheless.
VR6, ok it was a Golf not Corrado but, I owned one briefly, it made a reasonable noise but it was slow as f
k, torque steered everywhere, proper lazy, handled like a woeful pile of wobbly dog st and was so nose heavy under hard braking the back always tried to overtake the front. I don't really care what shares what with what, but Christ it was st, least the aircon worked though, the Corrado does look good but if it is even remotely like the Golf VR6 I'd buy something else. But if the Corrado does handle better and doesn't want to overtake itself under braking go for it.
VR6, ok it was a Golf not Corrado but, I owned one briefly, it made a reasonable noise but it was slow as f
k, torque steered everywhere, proper lazy, handled like a woeful pile of wobbly dog st and was so nose heavy under hard braking the back always tried to overtake the front. I don't really care what shares what with what, but Christ it was st, least the aircon worked though, the Corrado does look good but if it is even remotely like the Golf VR6 I'd buy something else. But if the Corrado does handle better and doesn't want to overtake itself under braking go for it.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff