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danlightbulb said:
God damn it man. I just noticed that these ST220's are £490 a year road tax! Thats £30 a month more than my current car costs me. For f
k sake.
This is your issue. You can't afford the cars you want. Buy something you can afford and will do the job, stop looking at sk sake.t you can't afford and be happy with your lot. Like it or not, 6 grand is Fiesta money. And not new Fiesta money at that, or nearly new Fiesta money. Nearly new Dacia money. Not 5 Series money, or Land Cruiser money.
It's fine buying a car you can't really afford when you are young, free, single and live at home. You're none of these.
The Mk4 Mondeo can be found with a rare 2.5 turbo charged 5 cylinder volvo engine, usually in titanium X spec with all the toys. These are lovely and in your budget too for one with decent mileage, quick and not too juicy. If it's age you're concerned about then perhaps one of these might be better for you.
The saloons have huge boots anyway so estate might not be necessary
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The saloons have huge boots anyway so estate might not be necessary
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Edited by Ghost91 on Thursday 3rd September 21:22
Willy Nilly said:
This is your issue. You can't afford the cars you want. Buy something you can afford and will do the job, stop looking at st you can't afford and be happy with your lot.
Like it or not, 6 grand is Fiesta money. And not new Fiesta money at that, or nearly new Fiesta money. Nearly new Dacia money. Not 5 Series money, or Land Cruiser money.
It's fine buying a car you can't really afford when you are young, free, single and live at home. You're none of these.
I know but its so frustrating. The actual CAR is no problem but then you see the stupid road tax price...t you can't afford and be happy with your lot. Like it or not, 6 grand is Fiesta money. And not new Fiesta money at that, or nearly new Fiesta money. Nearly new Dacia money. Not 5 Series money, or Land Cruiser money.
It's fine buying a car you can't really afford when you are young, free, single and live at home. You're none of these.
Ive come down in my expectations from a 4x4 or a bmw to another mondeo but even that..a f
king mondeo...is costing me more. Its ridiculous.Ghost91 said:
The Mk4 Mondeo can be found with a rare 2.5 turbo charged 5 cylinder volvo engine, usually in titanium X spec with all the toys. These are lovely and in your budget too for one with decent mileage, quick and not too juicy. If it's age you're concerned about then perhaps one of these might be better for you.
The saloons have huge boots anyway so estate might not be necessary
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=...
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=...
Ive looked at that model yeah looks nice. But everyone is saying the st220?The saloons have huge boots anyway so estate might not be necessary
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=...
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=...
Edited by Ghost91 on Thursday 3rd September 21:22
Summary of this whole thread is pretty much 4x4s are out, any diesel is out, big petrols are out. Im left with 1.6l petrols and there is no point upgrading for that as its not really an upgrade.
danlightbulb said:
Lol.Er...not sure what to say to that. Ive been saying I like 4x4s because of the rugged looks and I get a Chrysler chauffeur type car!
I don't want a statement car. I just like 4x4s. I want something that I will enjoy owning and looking at myself. I don't care whether other people enjoy looking at it or not.
The ST220 is a lovely car and I just watched a clarkson review of it on youtube and he really rates it. I looked at them years ago but at that time I couldn't stump for the insurance. I hadn't considered it could be in my price range now. It will look exactly the same as my Mondy diesel TDCi but will go like stink.
But for my money, I'm not getting anything much newer, you know? Does that matter, I can't figure it out. The extra running cost is doable, provided it does get close to 30mpg as claimed instead of close to 20.
You have to accept that a 4x4 is going to cost more to fuel.I don't want a statement car. I just like 4x4s. I want something that I will enjoy owning and looking at myself. I don't care whether other people enjoy looking at it or not.
The ST220 is a lovely car and I just watched a clarkson review of it on youtube and he really rates it. I looked at them years ago but at that time I couldn't stump for the insurance. I hadn't considered it could be in my price range now. It will look exactly the same as my Mondy diesel TDCi but will go like stink.
But for my money, I'm not getting anything much newer, you know? Does that matter, I can't figure it out. The extra running cost is doable, provided it does get close to 30mpg as claimed instead of close to 20.
I got a grand cherokee but sold it again as the fuel it went thru was amazing, it's the only car i've had where you could watch the fuel dial every single journey, every single journey you questioned if you really needed to make it.
If i was after a 4x4 now i'd look at the nissan x trail as it's slightly better on fuel or maybe a cherokee with the turbo diesel engine not the common rail diesel.
danlightbulb said:
I know but its so frustrating. The actual CAR is no problem but then you see the stupid road tax price...
Ive come down in my expectations from a 4x4 or a bmw to another mondeo but even that..a fking mondeo...is costing me more. Its ridiculous.
If you can drop the 4x4 notion for a mondeo then why slate someone for suggesting a Chrysler a couple of posts ago? I can usually ignore wind up merchants in the internet but I'm struggling in your case. This is my problem, not yours. Ive come down in my expectations from a 4x4 or a bmw to another mondeo but even that..a f
king mondeo...is costing me more. Its ridiculous.danlightbulb said:
I know but its so frustrating. The actual CAR is no problem but then you see the stupid road tax price...
Ive come down in my expectations from a 4x4 or a bmw to another mondeo but even that..a fking mondeo...is costing me more. Its ridiculous.
What's wrong with a Mondeo? They do make non ST Mondeos you know. Ive come down in my expectations from a 4x4 or a bmw to another mondeo but even that..a f
king mondeo...is costing me more. Its ridiculous.Sorry i dont mean to come across as a troll. The chrysler just wasnt for me, i didnt like how it looks. Im not after a sports car, or a top marque. Thats why its so frustrating.
I already have a mondeo, overall great car but i wanted to upgrade ie get something better in some way, otherwise whats the point changing it, unless it fails on me which is 50/ 50 id say.
And i get recommended a nice car which is in budget and i think great, then i look at the tax or the mpg. Id love a fast car always did want one. I love big traditional engines. Its not unreasonable to want good economy also these days, and paying road tax grieves me.
Take the st220. 220bhp at 27 mpg.
Take a tdci. Probably 140bhp at 45 mpg.
Where is the car in the middle. Something around 36 mpg and 180bhp? Reasonable economy reasonable power. Thats what i want, in a nice looking package. Not top class, just nice.
I already have a mondeo, overall great car but i wanted to upgrade ie get something better in some way, otherwise whats the point changing it, unless it fails on me which is 50/ 50 id say.
And i get recommended a nice car which is in budget and i think great, then i look at the tax or the mpg. Id love a fast car always did want one. I love big traditional engines. Its not unreasonable to want good economy also these days, and paying road tax grieves me.
Take the st220. 220bhp at 27 mpg.
Take a tdci. Probably 140bhp at 45 mpg.
Where is the car in the middle. Something around 36 mpg and 180bhp? Reasonable economy reasonable power. Thats what i want, in a nice looking package. Not top class, just nice.
Edited by danlightbulb on Thursday 3rd September 22:40
Right. Well
1) Decide how much you want to spend.
2) Put it in to autotrader + & - £1000.
3) Sort the cars by a) nearest first or b) Price high-low
4) If you see a car you like read the reviews on Parkers, Honest John & What Car
5) Repeat from 2 for ebay and possibly gumtree
5) Narrow it down to 3 cars
6) If you need more info on any of the 3 cars ask in here.
7) Choose 1 car.
Any questions?
1) Decide how much you want to spend.
2) Put it in to autotrader + & - £1000.
3) Sort the cars by a) nearest first or b) Price high-low
4) If you see a car you like read the reviews on Parkers, Honest John & What Car
5) Repeat from 2 for ebay and possibly gumtree
5) Narrow it down to 3 cars
6) If you need more info on any of the 3 cars ask in here.
7) Choose 1 car.
Any questions?
danlightbulb said:
Sorry i dont mean to come across as a troll. The chrysler just wasnt for me, i didnt like how it looks. Im not after a sports car, or a top marque. Thats why its so frustrating.
I already have a mondeo, overall great car but i wanted to upgrade ie get something better in some way, otherwise whats the point changing it, unless it fails on me which is 50/ 50 id say.
And i get recommended a nice car which is in budget and i think great, then i look at the tax or the mpg. Id love a fast car always did want one. I love big traditional engines. Its not unreasonable to want good economy also these days, and paying road tax grieves me.
Take the st220. 220bhp at 27 mpg.
Take a tdci. Probably 140bhp at 45 mpg.
Where is the car in the middle. Something around 36 mpg and 180bhp? Reasonable economy reasonable power. Thats what i want, in a nice looking package. Not top class, just nice.
320d 177bhp 40 mpg.I already have a mondeo, overall great car but i wanted to upgrade ie get something better in some way, otherwise whats the point changing it, unless it fails on me which is 50/ 50 id say.
And i get recommended a nice car which is in budget and i think great, then i look at the tax or the mpg. Id love a fast car always did want one. I love big traditional engines. Its not unreasonable to want good economy also these days, and paying road tax grieves me.
Take the st220. 220bhp at 27 mpg.
Take a tdci. Probably 140bhp at 45 mpg.
Where is the car in the middle. Something around 36 mpg and 180bhp? Reasonable economy reasonable power. Thats what i want, in a nice looking package. Not top class, just nice.
Edited by danlightbulb on Thursday 3rd September 22:40
noell35 said:
Right. Well
1) Decide how much you want to spend.
2) Put it in to autotrader + & - £1000.
3) Sort the cars by a) nearest first or b) Price high-low
4) If you see a car you like read the reviews on Parkers, Honest John & What Car
5) Repeat from 2 for ebay and possibly gumtree
5) Narrow it down to 3 cars
6) If you need more info on any of the 3 cars ask in here.
7) Choose 1 car.
Any questions?
Thanks. Been doing this for the last 2 weeks lol. It seems that the only car that I would actually like to own and can afford to run is what I already have - a mondy! I must have made a very good choice 9 years ago when I bought it.1) Decide how much you want to spend.
2) Put it in to autotrader + & - £1000.
3) Sort the cars by a) nearest first or b) Price high-low
4) If you see a car you like read the reviews on Parkers, Honest John & What Car
5) Repeat from 2 for ebay and possibly gumtree
5) Narrow it down to 3 cars
6) If you need more info on any of the 3 cars ask in here.
7) Choose 1 car.
Any questions?
What I need to figure out I guess is what engine I can live with in running costs and at the same time live with in my own desirability. Its probably not the 3.0l V6 as much as I would like one. Its also not a small petrol. Been put off diesels now. 2.0l to 2.5l petrol only option left.
MissChief said:
OP says what sort of car he wants. Posters give suggestions. OP dismisses them immediately or, if he's feeling nice, only a few posts later. OP gets no further in what car he wants.
I am very grateful for the suggestions I have received so far, genuinely thanks to all who have tried to help me on this thread. I guess I just have very narrow views on what 'look' I like.I know what car I would like, but I can't bring myself to bear the running cost increase. Trying to compromise but the cars do not exist that allow that compromise.
Take the ST220 again. Love the car, great engine, great interior and exterior styling. All good!
But then I look around. First I can hardly find any choice of estates. Second the mpg is a bit low, so I look for something a little tamer, say a 180bhp engine. It doesn't exist. The lower spec cars all have lower spec interiors too, and don't have the exterior bodykit like the ST220. Its like I'm forced to get the engine I don't really want to get the rest of the spec I do want.
I've been in a similar position for 3 years lol, but came to the conclusion that it's better the devil you know. The current family workhorse has been with us for years and only needed servicing, bushes, clutch and DMF. Looked at replacing in the last couple of years and came to the realisation that new cars are a lot more complex due to european legislation with multiple sensors everywhere, and heavier thus more demanding on suspension. Added to the fact that a majority of newer family hacks a smaller cc'd turbo charged petrol engines, stressed more than their dwindling naturally aspirated counterparts, and that there are much less petrol engines on the second hand market thanks to the government's past strategies. And why are handbrakes disappearing in favour of hill hold assist mechanisms, which cost much more to rectify if faulty - hill starts aren't hard!
A colleague was in a similar position to the OP - replaced his aged Mondeo (dying clutch) with a Skoda. So far the Skoda has already cost him more in only a year or so.
Personally, I'd bank the £6K and run the Mondy to increase budget and then look at Japanese motors, and don't disregard Mazda6's over Honda/Toyota's
A colleague was in a similar position to the OP - replaced his aged Mondeo (dying clutch) with a Skoda. So far the Skoda has already cost him more in only a year or so.
Personally, I'd bank the £6K and run the Mondy to increase budget and then look at Japanese motors, and don't disregard Mazda6's over Honda/Toyota's
I need to wait until Tuesday when the Mondy is in the garage for MOT, and for them to have a look at the rear suspension thats knocking. If the cost of this plus any MOT repairs is >£600 then I have a decision to make.
There is a real nice ST220 on AT at the moment. It would cost me approx £80-£100 a month more to insure, tax and fuel, over my current car. Its a fair hit. Can't decide if its worth it.
Guys what is the situation with this. The St220 I'm looking at is on for £5500, but according to AT valuation tool, this car at this mileage is worth half that, at about £2500. With all the options I'd be willing to pay more than £2.5k, but is it really worth double that or has the guy overpriced it? Sorry if you are reading this and its your car lol.
There is a real nice ST220 on AT at the moment. It would cost me approx £80-£100 a month more to insure, tax and fuel, over my current car. Its a fair hit. Can't decide if its worth it.
Guys what is the situation with this. The St220 I'm looking at is on for £5500, but according to AT valuation tool, this car at this mileage is worth half that, at about £2500. With all the options I'd be willing to pay more than £2.5k, but is it really worth double that or has the guy overpriced it? Sorry if you are reading this and its your car lol.
Edited by danlightbulb on Friday 4th September 01:29
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