Why are people buying expensive diesels?

[KarlMac]

Ares said:

Yes. I've not seen a 'new', ie. sub 24month old car, "belching out soot", especially not a Merc or BMW. The odd taxi, and some ropey old stboxes, yes. But I also see knackered old petrol cars belching out white smoke too.

A neighbour has a current shape 320d that rattles its tits of smokes when cold. Will try and get a video of it if I can do it without looking wierd. Keep trying to convice him its broken but he's having none of it.

[Ares]

KarlMac said:

Ares said:

Yes. I've not seen a 'new', ie. sub 24month old car, "belching out soot", especially not a Merc or BMW. The odd taxi, and some ropey old stboxes, yes. But I also see knackered old petrol cars belching out white smoke too.

A neighbour has a current shape 320d that rattles its tits of smokes when cold. Will try and get a video of it if I can do it without looking wierd. Keep trying to convice him its broken but he's having none of it.

Look forward to it....but your end statement becomes telling. If you think it is broken because it's smoking then it wouldn't be the the fuel that causes smoking, its the fact its fked. If a petrol ICE car was fked, it too may well smoke.

[ORD]

Ares said:

Yes. I've not seen a 'new', ie. sub 24month old car, "belching out soot", especially not a Merc or BMW. The odd taxi, and some ropey old stboxes, yes. But I also see knackered old petrol cars belching out white smoke too.

You havent seen it. This means that nobody else can have seen it. That means he must be lying. You arent a scientist, are you?

[VUB]

Back in the old days, you could put the emissions on your roses at least.

[Ares]

ORD said:

Ares said:

Yes. I've not seen a 'new', ie. sub 24month old car, "belching out soot", especially not a Merc or BMW. The odd taxi, and some ropey old stboxes, yes. But I also see knackered old petrol cars belching out white smoke too.

You havent seen it. This means that nobody else can have seen it. That means he must be lying. You arent a scientist, are you?

Far from it. But if it is so common, getting a video of it must be easy.....??

[daemon]

KarlMac said:

Ares said:

Yes. I've not seen a 'new', ie. sub 24month old car, "belching out soot", especially not a Merc or BMW. The odd taxi, and some ropey old stboxes, yes. But I also see knackered old petrol cars belching out white smoke too.

A neighbour has a current shape 320d that rattles its tits of smokes when cold. Will try and get a video of it if I can do it without looking wierd. Keep trying to convice him its broken but he's having none of it.

As has been said, if ANY diesel car is belching out black smoke then it has a problem that needs to be addressed, just as a petrol car belching out blue, black or white smoke means it has a problem that needs to be addressed.

Also, current model BMW goes back to 2006/2007, unless its absolutely the very latest model in which case it DEFINITELY has a problem as that is not normal

[charge]

My reply fits the original posters bill!
Bought an Audi A8 4.2 tdi two years back ( 2012 model) and loved the torque, 32 mpg average and even the grumbly v8 rumble plus £82k new, 16 months old and £35k from an Audi dealer!
Time for a newer one this month had me take out an ex.Audi press car (still had the audi logo in the rear window, I do wonder whos arse has been in the back!) and it was the 4.0 tfsi petrol V8.
GUTLESS compared to the diesel upto 3,000 rpm but then, it is unbelievably quick!
Having a 911 that tops out at 8,000 rpm, I should have remembered how good petrol engines can be.
In the A8, the biggest difference apart from the top end power is refinement!
The V8 petrol really suits the car as it is soooo smooth and whisper quiet.
Sure it averages 25 mpg vs 32 mpg, but with petrol being a bit cheeper, its not the end of the world!
Eyes opened!
Que nasel bloke talking about his 50 mpg 3.0 diesel! Ever heard the saying 'skinning turds'?

[hornetrider]

5mpg more than my petrol V8 in the diesel. Impressive.

Glad to see you've seen the light though!

[boxedin]

I've just spent some time working out the cost of petrol vs diesel when purchased new.

Based on the cost of Shell fuels, MPG ( my worst case guesstimates ) , 25000 miles per year, I can see a difference of worst case circa £500. Then I remembered it'll need AdBlue, though buying this in bulk reduces the cost. Plus there's the initial price difference of the diesel vs petrol, at which point its basically even. Ok, the diesel has more NMs but meh.. no DPF, SCR, AdBlue, the petrol is starting to seem worth it.

[Thermobaric]

I was behind an E60 520d the other day that was churning it out. It had a very noisy quad exhaust so I imagine it's exhaust setup wasn't exactly legit. Not 'new' as such but it was still quite shocking.

[ORD]

Most people are extremely bad at maths.

[cirian75]

DPF, EGR's, DMF etc

all crap to go wrong that can cost 1000s to fix, get the petrol.

[Fastdruid]

cirian75 said:

DPF, EGR's, DMF etc

all crap to go wrong that can cost 1000s to fix, get the petrol.

To be slightly fair to the people buying expensive diesels (new anyway), that kind of stuff would be under warranty.

[Wills2]

The Wookie said:

ORD said:

Of course I think my opinion's are right; otherwise, they wouldnt be my opinions.

Oh right, I thought you believed they were fact. My mistake.

ORD's opinions are actually objective facts not subjective opinions, didn't you get the memo? He doesn't need any real world experience of the subject matter either

[cirian75]

Fastdruid said:

cirian75 said:

DPF, EGR's, DMF etc

all crap to go wrong that can cost 1000s to fix, get the petrol.

To be slightly fair to the people buying expensive diesels (new anyway), that kind of stuff would be under warranty.

but a bad idea once they reach say 5 years and 60k miles are in the second hand market.

[Fastdruid]

cirian75 said:

Fastdruid said:

cirian75 said:

DPF, EGR's, DMF etc

all crap to go wrong that can cost 1000s to fix, get the petrol.

To be slightly fair to the people buying expensive diesels (new anyway), that kind of stuff would be under warranty.

but a bad idea once they reach say 5 years and 60k miles are in the second hand market.

Oh I totally agree but the buyers of new cars don't really care about the second hand market, certainly they're not going to care when buying new that their expensive car will fail horribly once they've sold it on!

[Devil2575]

cirian75 said:

Fastdruid said:

cirian75 said:

DPF, EGR's, DMF etc

all crap to go wrong that can cost 1000s to fix, get the petrol.

To be slightly fair to the people buying expensive diesels (new anyway), that kind of stuff would be under warranty.

but a bad idea once they reach say 5 years and 60k miles are in the second hand market.

Indeed, because petrol engined cars never go wrong...

[cirian75]

Devil2575 said:

cirian75 said:

Fastdruid said:

cirian75 said:

DPF, EGR's, DMF etc

all crap to go wrong that can cost 1000s to fix, get the petrol.

To be slightly fair to the people buying expensive diesels (new anyway), that kind of stuff would be under warranty.

but a bad idea once they reach say 5 years and 60k miles are in the second hand market.

Indeed, because petrol engined cars never go wrong...

well, there "less" to go wrong, and the fixes are usually cheaper

[_dobbo_]

cirian75 said:

well, there "less" to go wrong, and the fixes are usually cheaper

Possibly not quite so true at the top end of the prestige/luxury market.

[neil1jnr]

MrBarry123 said:

Agreed - the single tank range on a diesel is a massive perk.

In my previous car, I could drive to Newcastle and back (597 miles) and still have 90 miles remaining (range of almost 700 miles). Nowadays, I have to fill up at around 350 miles (to avoid getting too low) and only have 90 miles remaining when I get back (a range of only around 350 miles on each tank).

Plus, the journey takes about 45 minutes longer because I have to be steadier in order to get a reasonable mpg i.e. just above 30mpg.

But who drives 597 miles without stopping. Yes a longer range is better but the value put on it is OTT. I've done a few trips to Newcastle from Aberdeen (1 way at a time) and the minimum number of stops I'd have is 2, and for at least 10 mins to relax, stretch or have a short walk. Having to fill up the fuel tank during that times is no issue.

I can imagine there are a few more on here are like me that would agree that a longer range is better in the genral sense, but wouldn't put it as any sort of advantage.