pilot super sports - Still the tyre to go for?

[xjay1337]

redback911 said:

Having major problems finding PSS in:

245/30 ZR21 (91Y)
265/30 ZR21 (91Y)

Called Michelin early December and was told they are on a 6-8 week lead time. Put on a order in with my garage and called last week and was told its still 8-10 weeks from now. Only option currently is Vredestein Ultrac Vorti R. I would like to try the Continental SportContact 6 but also having a hard time finding them in the UK.

Vortis are a good tyre. Very happy with mine.

[redback911]

jon- said:

redback911 said:

Having major problems finding PSS in:

245/30 ZR21 (91Y)
265/30 ZR21 (91Y)

Called Michelin early December and was told they are on a 6-8 week lead time. Put on a order in with my garage and called last week and was told its still 8-10 weeks from now. Only option currently is Vredestein Ultrac Vorti R. I would like to try the Continental SportContact 6 but also having a hard time finding them in the UK.

The front PSS are available in Germany, and the rears are available in the SC6 tyre. Typical!

Thanks Jon, very useful website BTW in your profile. :-)

[BGarside]

A little off topic maybe but what decent tyre can I get in 205/60 R15 to suit my BMW E36? Are there any decent performance tyres still available in 15" and 60 profile??

[thebraketester]

Ohh yes....

http://ears.co.uk/tyres/yokohama-a048-semi-slick-r...

[Dblue]

ReConti SP6 vs MPSS, , our trip to hot dry and empty Spain last autumn conclusively proved the SS to be a match for the Conti in dry grip and massively longer lasting.
Run on a Civic Type R (Contis) and a Megane Trophy (Michelins) we reckon the SS would last at least twice the mileage.

I can't confirm but I reckon the Michelin Cup 2 would last aslong as the Conti wilst being comprehensively stickier.

The wear rating of the SS is 300!!! and it still grips like a track day tyre when its hot -amazing things

[jon-]

I swapped from the CSC6 to the MPSS today.

I think the CSC has the edge in grip. I prefer the balance of the car on the MPSS. The MPSS is lighter to steer. The CSC is quieter and more comfortable.

Both very good tyres.

[giblet]

Had the first proper run in the dry on the Eagle F1s that have been annoying me in cold and damp weather. They were miles better in todays relatively warm weather! A change is still on the cards, given the amount of rain we get I think my final decision will depend on performance in wet weather.

[Dblue]

jon- said:

I swapped from the CSC6 to the MPSS today.

I think the CSC has the edge in grip. I prefer the balance of the car on the MPSS. The MPSS is lighter to steer. The CSC is quieter and more comfortable.

Both very good tyres.

The Michelins will last much much longer though

[C7 JFW]

I've had a fair few GY F1's in the past but on the strength of this thread I've decided to try the Pilot Sport 4s on my Honda S2000.

I've got a set of the CSC5 on my Golf which I use daily so I'm hoping to get an idea how both behave.

This thread did help, so thanks for posting.

[mikey k]

C7 JFW said:

I've had a fair few GY F1's in the past but on the strength of this thread I've decided to try the Pilot Sport 4s on my Honda S2000.

I've got a set of the CSC5 on my Golf which I use daily so I'm hoping to get an idea how both behave.

This thread did help, so thanks for posting.

I'd be interested to hear how you get on!
I've got F1's on my S2000 which are so so IME
PSS's on my M135i which I love
P Zeros on the 650S which aren't great and will need changing in a few months.

[Dblue]

mikey k said:

C7 JFW said:

I've had a fair few GY F1's in the past but on the strength of this thread I've decided to try the Pilot Sport 4s on my Honda S2000.

I've got a set of the CSC5 on my Golf which I use daily so I'm hoping to get an idea how both behave.

This thread did help, so thanks for posting.

I'd be interested to hear how you get on!
I've got F1's on my S2000 which are so so IME
PSS's on my M135i which I love
P Zeros on the 650S which aren't great and will need changing in a few months.

P Zero Corsas on my Mac were pretty good on its first workout yesterday but P Zero not anything special. Strange that so many 650s are fitted with regular P Zeros rather than the "standard" Corsas. I was told it was because owners complained of almost no grip from Coras until they were warm, Aston V12Vs suffer similarly.

But completely agree on the PSS, amazing tyres

[mikey k]

Dblue said:

P Zero Corsas on my Mac were pretty good on its first workout yesterday but P Zero not anything special. Strange that so many 650s are fitted with regular P Zeros rather than the "standard" Corsas. I was told it was because owners complained of almost no grip from Coras until they were warm, Aston V12Vs suffer similarly.

But completely agree on the PSS, amazing tyres

I was an early adopter to the PSS's on my Aston
I will definitely look at them for the 650S

[C7 JFW]

mikey k said:

I'd be interested to hear how you get on!
I've got F1's on my S2000 which are so so IME
PSS's on my M135i which I love
P Zeros on the 650S which aren't great and will need changing in a few months.

I will report back, glad it's of value for some others.

I've found the problem with Eagles, as a few people have said is that when you have the odd spirited session, they have about a 5-10 minute perfect window. After that, they don't quite keep that crisp sharp sensation they have which is a great shame.

I'm also quite interested by this claim that the MPS are superior as posted by someone above who'd tried F1/CS/MPS.

As F1s are my go-to tyre, I decided that it was time to test the water with the CS5/MPS4 on the Golf & S2000 respectively so I have first hand experience.

[krallicious]

I've just ordered two new rears for my turbo as the inside edge was down to the indicators.

I have done two days at Spa, 4 full TDs on the 'ring and around 38, 000 kms on them and the fronts still have some life left in them.

Great in the wet, huge dry grip and they last forever so it would be silly to try anything else.

[bonesX]

F1's have a very soft side-walls

More of a comfort tyre

[mikey k]

C7 JFW said:

mikey k said:

I'd be interested to hear how you get on!
I've got F1's on my S2000 which are so so IME
PSS's on my M135i which I love
P Zeros on the 650S which aren't great and will need changing in a few months.

I will report back, glad it's of value for some others.

I've found the problem with Eagles, as a few people have said is that when you have the odd spirited session, they have about a 5-10 minute perfect window. After that, they don't quite keep that crisp sharp sensation they have which is a great shame.

I'm also quite interested by this claim that the MPS are superior as posted by someone above who'd tried F1/CS/MPS.

As F1s are my go-to tyre, I decided that it was time to test the water with the CS5/MPS4 on the Golf & S2000 respectively so I have first hand experience.

which golf is it?

[Don]

I used to use Michelin Pilot Sport tyres exclusively on my Porsche. These days I am migrating to the Toyo Proxes.

No discernible difference in wet/dry grip/noise etc. Lower price.

Don't get me wrong: MPS is a truly excellent tyre but at the best part of a grand to do all four...

[jon-]

Don said:

I used to use Michelin Pilot Sport tyres exclusively on my Porsche. These days I am migrating to the Toyo Proxes.

No discernible difference in wet/dry grip/noise etc. Lower price.

Don't get me wrong: MPS is a truly excellent tyre but at the best part of a grand to do all four...

Objectively, the T1 Sport is a league behind the MPSS. Toyo haven't really made an interesting road tyre since the T1R!

[Dblue]

Don said:

I used to use Michelin Pilot Sport tyres exclusively on my Porsche. These days I am migrating to the Toyo Proxes.

No discernible difference in wet/dry grip/noise etc. Lower price.

Don't get me wrong: MPS is a truly excellent tyre but at the best part of a grand to do all four...

He's talking about N Rated Michelin Pilot Sport 2s here NOT Michelin Pilot SUPER sports. Not the same thing at all.

MPSS were not N rated or even made in Porsche fitments for older cars but are fundamentally superior to the older PS2s and by definition the Toyos

[xjay1337]

Has anyone got subjective comparion between michelin pilot super sport and the new pilot sport 4?