pilot super sports - Still the tyre to go for?
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Nanogy98 said:
Alright lads thanks very much for the help I think I will order them today is it best to get them in the exact same size as my run flats were?
Unless you have a compelling reason to change, I'd certainly get them in one of the standard OEM sizes, there may conceivably be more than one. Thanks for that. Just about to order. However there seems to be a couple of options and I'm not too sure on the differences. One has a BMW logo next to it and the other "XL" I'm not sure my car would be classed as XL? The load rating is 96 on the XL. I doubt I need that. Just wondering what makes the one marked with BMW any different or special? It is a BMW they're going on after all.
The other seems to be just the standard.
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To make things even more confusing. When I enter the dimensions for my front tyre. Only the XL tyre is available and showing up.
The other seems to be just the standard.
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To make things even more confusing. When I enter the dimensions for my front tyre. Only the XL tyre is available and showing up.
Edited by Nanogy98 on Tuesday 1st September 10:18
Nanogy98 said:
Just wondering what makes the one marked with BMW any different or special? It is a BMW they're going on after all.
Sometimes manufacturers subtly modify tyres for a particular car manufacturer for OEM fitment... and I suspect sometimes they just put an OEM mark on them so they can charge more. I've no idea which is the case here. kambites said:
Sometimes manufacturers subtly modify tyres for a particular car manufacturer for OEM fitment... and I suspect sometimes they just put an OEM mark on them so they can charge more. I've no idea which is the case here.
Ah, thanks for that. I'll stick to the normal one. The non OEM actually got a better score on the EU tyre guide (not sure how accurate those things are).Nanogy98 said:
When hovering over the "XL" it has a pop up telling me it's "reinforced". I'm guessing this isn't what I want? Isn't this just another term for a run flat? I want to get away from rock solid side walls. Or does this reinforced mean something else?
"XL" means "extra load" or something like that. They're approved for fitment to heavier vehicles; I think they typically have stiffer sidewalls. XL just means it's a higher load tyre so probably stiffer sidewall and construction. If it's the right rated tyre for the weight of your car then it shouldn't be a problem.
I like the PSS, it's a good road tyre. Only criticisms have been mentioned in that they're understeery on track and have a tendency to aquaplane with big footprint, lighter cars in my experience. They also tend to make the on-centre steering feel a bit wooly.
I like the PSS, it's a good road tyre. Only criticisms have been mentioned in that they're understeery on track and have a tendency to aquaplane with big footprint, lighter cars in my experience. They also tend to make the on-centre steering feel a bit wooly.
I wont be doing any track days at all. I just like the odd hoon now and again. I live semi rural with a lot of nice winding back roads. So I'm sure the PSS will be perfect for my needs. I'm also in Scotland, so it does rain a fair bit, wet performance was a must.
So it looks like I'll need to order the XL/Reinforced for the fronts and should I also get the XL for the rear so as to match? I wouldn't want XL up front and non XL at the rear would I? Or is it maybe because blackcircles just don't stock the standard for my front tyre size?
It's only a 3 series. I wouldn't have classed that as a heavy car and I certainly don't carry heavy loads. I'm usually the only driver and my boots always empty.
So it looks like I'll need to order the XL/Reinforced for the fronts and should I also get the XL for the rear so as to match? I wouldn't want XL up front and non XL at the rear would I? Or is it maybe because blackcircles just don't stock the standard for my front tyre size?
It's only a 3 series. I wouldn't have classed that as a heavy car and I certainly don't carry heavy loads. I'm usually the only driver and my boots always empty.
I loved my PSS, they replaced some Nitto NT05 semi slick jobs and they shaved 3 seconds off my lap time over the semi slicks. I could roll from idle and plant the throttle in 1st gear and it wouldn't light the rear tires up, it would just take off like the Millenium Falcon jumping to hyperspace!!! (which isnt bad to say I had a 530bhp Corvette Z06).
I never had a problem with them on track being understeery.
Incidentally they're constructed differently to normal tires and they dont use a releasing agent in the moulding process so they're grippy straight out of the box and need no running in.
I never had a problem with them on track being understeery.
Incidentally they're constructed differently to normal tires and they dont use a releasing agent in the moulding process so they're grippy straight out of the box and need no running in.
Nanogy98 said:
I wont be doing any track days at all. I just like the odd hoon now and again. I live semi rural with a lot of nice winding back roads. So I'm sure the PSS will be perfect for my needs. I'm also in Scotland, so it does rain a fair bit, wet performance was a must.
So it looks like I'll need to order the XL/Reinforced for the fronts and should I also get the XL for the rear so as to match? I wouldn't want XL up front and non XL at the rear would I? Or is it maybe because blackcircles just don't stock the standard for my front tyre size?
It's only a 3 series. I wouldn't have classed that as a heavy car and I certainly don't carry heavy loads. I'm usually the only driver and my boots always empty.
IMO they're perfect for you then. As for sizes and xl and non xl I cant help.So it looks like I'll need to order the XL/Reinforced for the fronts and should I also get the XL for the rear so as to match? I wouldn't want XL up front and non XL at the rear would I? Or is it maybe because blackcircles just don't stock the standard for my front tyre size?
It's only a 3 series. I wouldn't have classed that as a heavy car and I certainly don't carry heavy loads. I'm usually the only driver and my boots always empty.
Good choice OP.
I've ran Sport Contact 5Ps (for 7,000 miles), Eagle F1s (for 18,000 miles) and now running MPSS (now run for 9,000 miles); all on the same car, driving similar roads.
The Continentals were okay; grip wasn't particularly impressive in the dry, they wore quickly however the wet grip was good and they dealt with standing water well.
The Goodyears were more capable in the dry than the Continentals, had similar performance in the wet and again, coped well with standing water.
My feeling was that they are both good tyres however I don't believe it to be fair when reviews call either of the above "ultra high performance tyres" as neither of them are quite that good. The Continentals are a good all-round tyre for someone who isn't going to be pushing the tyre particularly hard however wants to feel safe in the knowledge that the tyre will handle almost every weather condition well. The Goodyears are like a budget MPSS i.e. 80% as good however not quite there - perhaps like comparing a 435i with a M4.
The MPSS are in a different league to both of the above. They're massively more capable in the dry when they have some warmth in them and are also more capable on a wet surface. In my opinion, they make both of the other tyres mentioned above look like mid-range tyres in terms of performance. From my experience, they also wear better (i.e. slower) than either of the other tyres I've used. I do however agree that large expanses of standing water cause them more trouble than either the Continentals or the Goodyears however not to the point of concern. We're also talking about the kind of standing water which is best avoided anyway.
I've ran Sport Contact 5Ps (for 7,000 miles), Eagle F1s (for 18,000 miles) and now running MPSS (now run for 9,000 miles); all on the same car, driving similar roads.
The Continentals were okay; grip wasn't particularly impressive in the dry, they wore quickly however the wet grip was good and they dealt with standing water well.
The Goodyears were more capable in the dry than the Continentals, had similar performance in the wet and again, coped well with standing water.
My feeling was that they are both good tyres however I don't believe it to be fair when reviews call either of the above "ultra high performance tyres" as neither of them are quite that good. The Continentals are a good all-round tyre for someone who isn't going to be pushing the tyre particularly hard however wants to feel safe in the knowledge that the tyre will handle almost every weather condition well. The Goodyears are like a budget MPSS i.e. 80% as good however not quite there - perhaps like comparing a 435i with a M4.
The MPSS are in a different league to both of the above. They're massively more capable in the dry when they have some warmth in them and are also more capable on a wet surface. In my opinion, they make both of the other tyres mentioned above look like mid-range tyres in terms of performance. From my experience, they also wear better (i.e. slower) than either of the other tyres I've used. I do however agree that large expanses of standing water cause them more trouble than either the Continentals or the Goodyears however not to the point of concern. We're also talking about the kind of standing water which is best avoided anyway.
OP...
A 92 load rating means that each tyre can accommodate 630kg of weight. A 96 load rating means that each tyre can accommodate 710kg of weight.
From a picture I've seen of the tyre information sticker for your car, the 255/35/19 tyre is recommended with a load rating of 92, so buy the 92 and save a few pounds.
A 92 load rating means that each tyre can accommodate 630kg of weight. A 96 load rating means that each tyre can accommodate 710kg of weight.
From a picture I've seen of the tyre information sticker for your car, the 255/35/19 tyre is recommended with a load rating of 92, so buy the 92 and save a few pounds.
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