pilot super sports - Still the tyre to go for?

[George111]

sly fox said:

bonesX said:

Also tested here

http://www.rx8club.com/series-i-wheels-tires-brake...

Spoiler alert - Yoko's win - PSS's fail due to squishy side-walls

Hardly 'tested'? One guy's opinions?

And comparing a trackday tyre with a high end sports road tyre is hardly valid? PSS are not marketed as track day tyres at all.

Never let the truth get in the way of an Internet opinion

He also said he got the same lap times on both, so either the Yoko isn't as good as is suggested or the Michelin is just a seriously, very good road biased tyre.

[bonesX]

Yes, but it's the way the tyre translates to the feel of the car - the PSS's are just sqidgy

[bonesX]

rb5er said:

bonesX said:

rb5er said:

I'm interested to hear aby comparisons with the PSS and the Yoko AD08R

Also tested here

http://www.rx8club.com/series-i-wheels-tires-brake...

Spoiler alert - Yoko's win - PSS's fail due to squishy side-walls

Thanks for that. I think I will be going for the AD08R's next as apparently they are excellent and have extra support in the sidewalls resulting in a more direct steer.

I have the R's on my Type R Impreza and they are great (second set in fact)

The R has a different compound oil which improves lower temperature performance

The last set I took off still had their shoulders totally intact and gave them to a track day chap

[rb5er]

They sound like a winner on a gc8 then. Looks like thats decision made.

[George111]

bonesX said:

Yes, but it's the way the tyre translates to the feel of the car - the PSS's are just sqidgy

Was the pressure correct ? Road tyres often need higher pressure than track specific tyres. As it's a road tyre, not a track tyre, it's expected to be comfortable too and protect the wheels so it will feel/be slightly softer than a track tyre. But as his lap times were the same it shows the tyre was performing very well, not wrapping under the car, perhaps just giving more feedback as it was perhaps operating nearer its limits than the other tyre.

Perhaps try the Pilot Sport Cup 2 ? http://www.michelin.co.uk/tyres/michelin-pilot-spo...

Their bike tyres have had multi-compound treads for years now and it looks like they're doing the same with car tyres now.

[anonymous-user]

redback911 said:

Bugger - Ordered two PSS's from a leading online retailer. They arrived after a week. However, can you spot the problem:



I could live with new tyres that are 1-2 years old, but I think 4 years is taking the mickey?

I had some PSS that are a similar age fitted the other day. I'm very happy with them even being quite old, but then they were £100 each fitted instead of £150 supplied.

Any recommendations of what sort of tyre pressures these would like on a heavy (2.2ton) car?

[crocky]

xjay1337 said:

Has anyone got subjective comparion between michelin pilot super sport and the new pilot sport 4?

Anyone?

[jon-]

crocky said:

xjay1337 said:

Has anyone got subjective comparion between michelin pilot super sport and the new pilot sport 4?

Anyone?

I'd be surprised if anyone outside of Michelin has tried them both in the same size, on the same car, unless someone had to make the swap in 225/40 R18.

My understanding is the PS4 will be slightly less responsive and slightly better levels of comfort / wear when compared to the PSS subjectively, but nowhere near as soft as the PS3.

[cosworth330]

My Conti sport contact 5P are due for replacement soon after a trackday at Bedford took a lot out of them. Trying to decide whether to go for Conti 6 or MPSS. I will never do more than 2 track days a year and do about 4000 road miles a year. Vehicle is a E60 M5. The Conti 6 are about £120 cheaper for a set of 4 but will they hold up a bit better than the Conti 5 plus trying to find a tyre that is a bit sharper handling wise. Are the 6's a big improvement over the 5?

Thanks

[nickfrog]

I would consider the Yokohama 105 rather than these as the stiffer sidewalls will take track abuse better and probably give you better feedback.

[jon-]

The 6 is much improved over the 5P, but if you're looking at track work the Super Sport is still the logical choice due to better wear

[nickfrog]

Not really Jon, the SS chews its front outer shoulders on track. Better wear if consistent road wear indeed but the tyre will only be as good as its shoulders.

[mikey k]

nickfrog said:

Not really Jon, the SS chews its front outer shoulders on track. Better wear if consistent road wear indeed but the tyre will only be as good as its shoulders.

my M135i just failed its first MOT because of this
There was loads of tread left across the rest of the tyres

[mikey k]

Nanook said:

mikey k said:

my M135i just failed its first MOT because of this
There was loads of tread left across the rest of the tyres

Sounds like you need a bit more camber.

(Or more negative camber, technically)

Ideally yes but BMW have locked the geometry on the M135i, there are no adjusters!
That said the wear over the rest of the front tyre has been very even and they have done 28k miles

[nickfrog]

mikey k said:

Nanook said:

mikey k said:

my M135i just failed its first MOT because of this
There was loads of tread left across the rest of the tyres

Sounds like you need a bit more camber.

(Or more negative camber, technically)

Ideally yes but BMW have locked the geometry on the M135i, there are no adjusters!
That said the wear over the rest of the front tyre has been very even and they have done 28k miles

The solution is M4 lower control arms for 2 deg of neg - 100% compatible. £300 + 1 hour labour + alignment. An absolute must on that car for shoulder preservation, neutral handling, more feel etc...

[Durzel]

redback911 said:

Bugger - Ordered two PSS's from a leading online retailer. They arrived after a week. However, can you spot the problem:



I could live with new tyres that are 1-2 years old, but I think 4 years is taking the mickey?

Out of curiosity "leader" wasn't part of their name, was it? Had the same problem on some new MPSS myself.

[mikey k]

nickfrog said:

mikey k said:

Nanook said:

mikey k said:

my M135i just failed its first MOT because of this
There was loads of tread left across the rest of the tyres

Sounds like you need a bit more camber.

(Or more negative camber, technically)

Ideally yes but BMW have locked the geometry on the M135i, there are no adjusters!
That said the wear over the rest of the front tyre has been very even and they have done 28k miles

The solution is M4 lower control arms for 2 deg of neg - 100% compatible. £300 + 1 hour labour + alignment. An absolute must on that car for shoulder preservation, neutral handling, more feel etc...

I'm on the point of changing it soon, but good to know as I might go M240i

[jamieduff1981]

The Super Sports are wearing extremely well on my XF. I changed out the OE P-Zeros on the rear at 10,000 miles when they were close to the wear markers and the car was very tail happy. The car has 23,000 miles now and the rear Super Sports still have a good 5mm left.

The fronts are only 4,000 miles old but the R-S has a pronounced negative camber on the fronts. The harder outer shoulder and softer inner treads work really well on a sporty geometry.

I don't do track days because my nearest is Knockhill around 2.5 hours away, and it's a family car afterall. Despite this, I'll point out that I live in rural NE Scotland and the roads I use almost exclusively involve almost constant speed and direction changes, as opposed to droning along in a straight line at a constant speed for miles at a time.

Considering the grip and feel the Super Sports offer, coupled with how well they last when driven in an enthusiastic road environment, I still think they are pretty much the best road tyres on the market at the moment.

[rb5er]

Durzel said:

redback911 said:

Bugger - Ordered two PSS's from a leading online retailer. They arrived after a week. However, can you spot the problem:



I could live with new tyres that are 1-2 years old, but I think 4 years is taking the mickey?

Out of curiosity "leader" wasn't part of their name, was it? Had the same problem on some new MPSS myself.

Curious to hear if these were returned.

[MrBarry123]

24,000 miles out of my set of MPSS so far with 4-4.5mm tread remaining on all tyres (I rotated them in April of this year). No uneven wear as yet.