pilot super sports - Still the tyre to go for?
Discussion
Hark said:
Need to replace all four ContiSport 5 on my TTRS this week.
Considering Michellin SS/Eagle F1/Conti Sport 6
Any thoughts on how the Michellins will handle the winter weather? I'm not running winter tyres this year, and the comments about difficulty handling standing water have left me hesitant. Would the Contis be a better all rounder as I'm not doing any track days?
MPSS are so so in damp conditions, but noticeably worse in the cold, and are not great in deep water. Suppose aquaplaning resistance it also depends on tyre width -i'm running 285/30/20.Considering Michellin SS/Eagle F1/Conti Sport 6
Any thoughts on how the Michellins will handle the winter weather? I'm not running winter tyres this year, and the comments about difficulty handling standing water have left me hesitant. Would the Contis be a better all rounder as I'm not doing any track days?
Went out for a drive yesterday morning and had more than a few moments on damp roads- wheel spin at 70mph etc Poor traction too.
They are heavily focused on dry conditions. Brilliant for that use case. I'll change mine over to winters in a month or so and put them back on in April. Accepted their limitations. They last well though - mine still have 5mm of tread after a year of driving.
if you are not going to swap tyres over for winters, then I'd go for something with a better reputation for dealing with the wet such as Goodyear F1 or conti SP6. EVO just did a tyre test on high end tyres - should give you a clue.
Edited by sly fox on Tuesday 4th October 08:42
df76 said:
That's useful, thanks. 
I'm not sure on the Evo magazine test to be fair as my MPSS handle 2 tons of 900hp+ barge in the "wet" both acceleration and breaking extremely well (better than GY F1AS2 did at 500hp) but there is a 'very' steep drop in performance once the temp goes below 6'c, so for me Wet is fine but Cold is a problem.
Now MPSS are getting much harder to find in certain sizes I'm looking for the next replacement so it's good to see the CSC6 doing so well as that's top of my short-list!
Now MPSS are getting much harder to find in certain sizes I'm looking for the next replacement so it's good to see the CSC6 doing so well as that's top of my short-list!
Edited by IanH755 on Monday 3rd October 15:27
The new Michelin Pilot Sport 4s are based on the last generation of Super Sports (nothing to do with the Pilot Sport 3s) so I'm guessing with that move the new Super Sports will be a totally new design.
PS4s Won the AutoExpress 2016 tyre test being 1st or 2nd in every single area apart from road noise (came 3rd). I just put a set on the front and moving up from the Pilot Sport 3s I even notice a bit of a difference.
They scored really well for the aquaplane test too, I've never had a problem on any Michelins in standing water. I've used Pilot Sport 3s, Primacy 3s and Super Sports and they've all been totally fine for standing water. Even had 2 occasions in those storms last year where 2 people (separate incidents) aquaplaned off the road in front of me, I just got a tiny little wiggle.
Possibly a good choice for people until the new Super Sports come out?
PS4s Won the AutoExpress 2016 tyre test being 1st or 2nd in every single area apart from road noise (came 3rd). I just put a set on the front and moving up from the Pilot Sport 3s I even notice a bit of a difference.
They scored really well for the aquaplane test too, I've never had a problem on any Michelins in standing water. I've used Pilot Sport 3s, Primacy 3s and Super Sports and they've all been totally fine for standing water. Even had 2 occasions in those storms last year where 2 people (separate incidents) aquaplaned off the road in front of me, I just got a tiny little wiggle.
Possibly a good choice for people until the new Super Sports come out?
Here'a a question that's been playing on my mind for a while.
I've got an m135i that's due to be changed next year, but after 22k miles on the original tyres it needs some new shoes.
Problem is, I now drive to work instead of commuting (clitheroe to Manchester) and will be driving to the alps in March to go skiing.
I can't afford two sets of wheels and tyres - buying a house and change of job have put paid to that - so what does the collective mind think is the best option?
As I see it, there are 3 choices;
- Buy a good direct replacement set of tyres and, on the basis that the last 12 years have driving have been alright without winters - hope for the best.
- Buy all seasons and compromise
- Buy cheap winters and replace them in spring
My preferred option is number 1 - but i'm interested to hear what other people think.
I've got an m135i that's due to be changed next year, but after 22k miles on the original tyres it needs some new shoes.
Problem is, I now drive to work instead of commuting (clitheroe to Manchester) and will be driving to the alps in March to go skiing.
I can't afford two sets of wheels and tyres - buying a house and change of job have put paid to that - so what does the collective mind think is the best option?
As I see it, there are 3 choices;
- Buy a good direct replacement set of tyres and, on the basis that the last 12 years have driving have been alright without winters - hope for the best.
- Buy all seasons and compromise
- Buy cheap winters and replace them in spring
My preferred option is number 1 - but i'm interested to hear what other people think.
Tom_Spotley_When said:
Here'a a question that's been playing on my mind for a while.
I've got an m135i that's due to be changed next year, but after 22k miles on the original tyres it needs some new shoes.
Problem is, I now drive to work instead of commuting (clitheroe to Manchester) and will be driving to the alps in March to go skiing.
I can't afford two sets of wheels and tyres - buying a house and change of job have put paid to that - so what does the collective mind think is the best option?
As I see it, there are 3 choices;
- Buy a good direct replacement set of tyres and, on the basis that the last 12 years have driving have been alright without winters - hope for the best.
- Buy all seasons and compromise
- Buy cheap winters and replace them in spring
My preferred option is number 1 - but i'm interested to hear what other people think.
Michelin cross climate tyre's.I've got an m135i that's due to be changed next year, but after 22k miles on the original tyres it needs some new shoes.
Problem is, I now drive to work instead of commuting (clitheroe to Manchester) and will be driving to the alps in March to go skiing.
I can't afford two sets of wheels and tyres - buying a house and change of job have put paid to that - so what does the collective mind think is the best option?
As I see it, there are 3 choices;
- Buy a good direct replacement set of tyres and, on the basis that the last 12 years have driving have been alright without winters - hope for the best.
- Buy all seasons and compromise
- Buy cheap winters and replace them in spring
My preferred option is number 1 - but i'm interested to hear what other people think.
Best all rounder you will find.
nickfrog said:
mikey k said:
Shame a bout the PSS's I did 63k miles on them in an M135i.
Just chopped it from and M140i and it has S001 Run flats
The * (BMW) sizes will carry on in Supersport. Why did you specify RFT on the M140i ? The default tyre is still the SS.Just chopped it from and M140i and it has S001 Run flats
It was a pre reg
When they need changing Michelins will go on
The ride on the run flats is a lot harder as well
benjijames28 said:
Tom_Spotley_When said:
Here'a a question that's been playing on my mind for a while.
I've got an m135i that's due to be changed next year, but after 22k miles on the original tyres it needs some new shoes.
Problem is, I now drive to work instead of commuting (clitheroe to Manchester) and will be driving to the alps in March to go skiing.
I can't afford two sets of wheels and tyres - buying a house and change of job have put paid to that - so what does the collective mind think is the best option?
As I see it, there are 3 choices;
- Buy a good direct replacement set of tyres and, on the basis that the last 12 years have driving have been alright without winters - hope for the best.
- Buy all seasons and compromise
- Buy cheap winters and replace them in spring
My preferred option is number 1 - but i'm interested to hear what other people think.
Michelin cross climate tyre's.I've got an m135i that's due to be changed next year, but after 22k miles on the original tyres it needs some new shoes.
Problem is, I now drive to work instead of commuting (clitheroe to Manchester) and will be driving to the alps in March to go skiing.
I can't afford two sets of wheels and tyres - buying a house and change of job have put paid to that - so what does the collective mind think is the best option?
As I see it, there are 3 choices;
- Buy a good direct replacement set of tyres and, on the basis that the last 12 years have driving have been alright without winters - hope for the best.
- Buy all seasons and compromise
- Buy cheap winters and replace them in spring
My preferred option is number 1 - but i'm interested to hear what other people think.
Best all rounder you will find.
I'd vote option 1, but if you're going to the alps rent a car.
Hark said:
Need to replace all four ContiSport 5 on my TTRS this week.
Considering Michellin SS/Eagle F1/Conti Sport 6
Any thoughts on how the Michellins will handle the winter weather? I'm not running winter tyres this year, and the comments about difficulty handling standing water have left me hesitant. Would the Contis be a better all rounder as I'm not doing any track days?
Contis are better in the cold and the wet, by a small but noticeable margin over the supersports, but they trade that performance for poor wear. Considering Michellin SS/Eagle F1/Conti Sport 6
Any thoughts on how the Michellins will handle the winter weather? I'm not running winter tyres this year, and the comments about difficulty handling standing water have left me hesitant. Would the Contis be a better all rounder as I'm not doing any track days?
If you're ok with the tyres wearing quickly, I'd say the Sport Contact 6 would be the best tyre... if you don't want to wait for the Super Sport replacement in Jan. Check the dry / wet / wear charts on the new PS4S here: http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/Michelin-Pilo...
I have a Mustang GT. The rear oem P Zeros are needing replacing after 7000 miles but plenty of tread on the fronts.
Just like my motorbikes.
Mustang front and rears are different sizes so cannot swap them round.
The Zeros are pretty iffy in the cold and/or the wet and a few owners rave about the MPSS.
But will I be asking for trouble if I only replace the rears for now?
Just like my motorbikes.
Mustang front and rears are different sizes so cannot swap them round.
The Zeros are pretty iffy in the cold and/or the wet and a few owners rave about the MPSS.
But will I be asking for trouble if I only replace the rears for now?
croyde said:
I have a Mustang GT. The rear oem P Zeros are needing replacing after 7000 miles but plenty of tread on the fronts.
Just like my motorbikes.
Mustang front and rears are different sizes so cannot swap them round.
The Zeros are pretty iffy in the cold and/or the wet and a few owners rave about the MPSS.
But will I be asking for trouble if I only replace the rears for now?
I wondered this on my M5.. pretty much same situation.. but i went to the ring and took note of the ring taxi's tyre choice and rears were indeed MPSS and fronts were Hankooks or something similar..Just like my motorbikes.
Mustang front and rears are different sizes so cannot swap them round.
The Zeros are pretty iffy in the cold and/or the wet and a few owners rave about the MPSS.
But will I be asking for trouble if I only replace the rears for now?
I may well change the balance of the car, but only when really pushing on... up to know i just have more grip at rear which is always where it wants to break free anyway
Tom_Spotley_When said:
Here'a a question that's been playing on my mind for a while.
I've got an m135i that's due to be changed next year, but after 22k miles on the original tyres it needs some new shoes.
Problem is, I now drive to work instead of commuting (clitheroe to Manchester) and will be driving to the alps in March to go skiing.
I can't afford two sets of wheels and tyres - buying a house and change of job have put paid to that - so what does the collective mind think is the best option?
As I see it, there are 3 choices;
- Buy a good direct replacement set of tyres and, on the basis that the last 12 years have driving have been alright without winters - hope for the best.
- Buy all seasons and compromise
- Buy cheap winters and replace them in spring
My preferred option is number 1 - but i'm interested to hear what other people think.
I'd suggest Nokian WRA3's or WRA4's - sold as a winter tyre over here but an all season in places in Europe. They are fantastic tyres in the winter and mine happily held up to a Performance Driver day with CAT DT at Milbrook this year in 30 degree heat. My intention this year is to run them all year round and just swap my track wheels and tyres on for track events.I've got an m135i that's due to be changed next year, but after 22k miles on the original tyres it needs some new shoes.
Problem is, I now drive to work instead of commuting (clitheroe to Manchester) and will be driving to the alps in March to go skiing.
I can't afford two sets of wheels and tyres - buying a house and change of job have put paid to that - so what does the collective mind think is the best option?
As I see it, there are 3 choices;
- Buy a good direct replacement set of tyres and, on the basis that the last 12 years have driving have been alright without winters - hope for the best.
- Buy all seasons and compromise
- Buy cheap winters and replace them in spring
My preferred option is number 1 - but i'm interested to hear what other people think.
croyde said:
I have a Mustang GT. The rear oem P Zeros are needing replacing after 7000 miles but plenty of tread on the fronts.
Just like my motorbikes.
Mustang front and rears are different sizes so cannot swap them round.
The Zeros are pretty iffy in the cold and/or the wet and a few owners rave about the MPSS.
But will I be asking for trouble if I only replace the rears for now?
You'll be fine. I did exactly this on my Jag. The rears were done long before the fronts and I replaced the rears with MPSS leaving the front P-Zeros on until they were more justifiable for replacement. The P-Zeros aren't bad tyres at all for steering when low on tread but they struggled with power when worn. I ran mine in that configuration for about 8 months. If I was being really, really picky, it showed more of an understeer tendency than it had with matching tyres front and back, but not enough to worry about.Just like my motorbikes.
Mustang front and rears are different sizes so cannot swap them round.
The Zeros are pretty iffy in the cold and/or the wet and a few owners rave about the MPSS.
But will I be asking for trouble if I only replace the rears for now?
P-Zeros on 2.5mm treads brake and steer better than new MPSS can keep the car moving on light snow. If there's more than a couple of inches of snow on level ground, forget it with the MPSS - you're not going to move. As above, if on an incline the MPSS are useless on slippery surfaces. You'd be as well on slicks.
That's not what the MPSS is for though - it's a bonafide high performance summer tyre.
thebraketester said:
I ran MPSS through 2 winters with no issue. Fwd ~320bhp. Just drive more carefully.
A front wheel drive golf with in modern terms fairly narrow tyres should be fine on a little snow, the issues start when you have a properly powerful RWD car with foot wide tyres, I drove my 560hp F10 M5 in snow on 295 MPSS, I got home, just. It was the same with my old 911 and M3s winters on those kind of cars transforms them and makes them fun to drive when it's snowing instead of butt clenching. But I can understand why Fwd hatch owners wouldn't feel the need.
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