pilot super sports - Still the tyre to go for?

[Nanogy98]

MrBarry123 said:

OP...

A 92 load rating means that each tyre can accommodate 630kg of weight. A 96 load rating means that each tyre can accommodate 710kg of weight.

From a picture I've seen of the tyre information sticker for your car, the 255/35/19 tyre is recommended with a load rating of 92, so buy the 92 and save a few pounds.

Thanks very much for that reply. Helps a lot! Unfortunately BlackCircles don't seem to do the front tyres in the non XL variant. So that would be XL up front and non XL at the rear. Surely that can't be a good thing? The markings on my current run flats state "standard load".

The current tyres that are fitted from the factory have load ratings of 89 for the front and 92 for the rear. This isn't XL loads.

What should I do?

Looking on the Michelin page. They don't actually make a non XL version for my fronts. So am I ok to fix XL up the front with non XL on the rear. Or is it best to just go XL all round?


If any of you were wondering "Man, why does this guy have a 328i and he knows nothing about cars"... well I've been wondering the same thing :P

Edited by Nanogy98 on Tuesday 1st September 11:39

Edited by Nanogy98 on Tuesday 1st September 11:41

[Nanogy98]

Well that was more hassle than it should have been.

I found some information from Michelin which said as long as the XL and non XL tyres aren't on the same Axle it isn't a problem.

So went for :

2 x Michelin Pilot Super Sport 225/40 R19 Y (93), Reinforced (Fronts)
2 x Michelin Pilot Super Sport 255/35 R19 Y (92) (Rears)

The Rears load rating matches exactly with the current load rating of the original tyre. The fronts have went up from 89 to 93, which I don't think will be a problem.

If I don't post for a while from the 3rd onwards... I'll be in a ditch somewhere in Scotland.

Thanks for everyones help and advice

[LordGrover]

Sump said:

Yeah they're great. Much better than the Pzeros they replaced on the Db9.

Waits for the poor people to come striving in with the Falken 452s that beats any tyre on a Toyota Prius 2012 Vin starting with A4544 on a dry road at 28.6 degrees with a 6 degree incline.

Worst I've got a better car than yo' post, ever.

[Garvin]

Nanogy98 said:

Well that was more hassle than it should have been.

I found some information from Michelin which said as long as the XL and non XL tyres aren't on the same Axle it isn't a problem.

So went for :

2 x Michelin Pilot Super Sport 225/40 R19 Y (93), Reinforced (Fronts)
2 x Michelin Pilot Super Sport 255/35 R19 Y (92) (Rears)

The Rears load rating matches exactly with the current load rating of the original tyre. The fronts have went up from 89 to 93, which I don't think will be a problem.

If I don't post for a while from the 3rd onwards... I'll be in a ditch somewhere in Scotland.

Thanks for everyones help and advice

You won't be in any ditches using MPSS tyres I can assure you. You will not die with the different load/XL ratings. You might, and I stress might, just detect a little difference in on limit handling if you have Ken Block like sensitivities. Otherwise you will be fine . . . . . . and incredibly impressed by these tyres. I speak as someone who also went from Pirelli PZeros to MPSS and realised that Pirellis are just a very expensive budget tyre!

[Andy S15]

Anyone here rate the Bridgestone Adrenaline RE002's? Not quite as hardcore as the PSS but I've got them on 2 cars and have been really impressed. Vs a Federal RSR there's less overall grip but feel and all round performance is great.

[Clivey]

OP, Have you bought yet?

If not, just to say I've just had a set of Super Sports fitted to the Mini and found www.tyreleader.co.uk much cheaper than either my local places or blackcircles.

[Nanogy98]

Garvin said:

You won't be in any ditches using MPSS tyres I can assure you. You will not die with the different load/XL ratings. You might, and I stress might, just detect a little difference in on limit handling if you have Ken Block like sensitivities. Otherwise you will be fine . . . . . . and incredibly impressed by these tyres. I speak as someone who also went from Pirelli PZeros to MPSS and realised that Pirellis are just a very expensive budget tyre!

Haha. Thanks for that. Ken Block I am not. I do like to pretend to myself though lol.

I can't wait to get rid of these things. Totally ruin the car.

[Nanogy98]

Clivey said:

OP, Have you bought yet?

If not, just to say I've just had a set of Super Sports fitted to the Mini and found www.tyreleader.co.uk much cheaper than either my local places or blackcircles.

I have yes. My rear tyre is actually punctured and can't be repaired as its too close to the sidewall. Hence my urgency and excuse to ditch all 4 of the run flats. Getting them fitted Thursday morning.

[s m]

Anyone got a link to a proper mag tyre test where these are back-to-backed against stuff like the Conti 5SC, GY G1s, new Yokos, Pirelli PZero etc?

[T1berious]

I'm running MPSS on my Z4M. Very happy with them. IMHO they were better than the Contis I had as OEM.

Less tram lining and better in the wet. Again just my opinion.

Cheers,

T1b

[The Wookie]

Never been a huge fan of the Conti's. They seem to be top end in individual areas like ultimate grip or aquaplaning resistance for example, but as a package I always find they're wooden in terms of ride (and particularly crashy over potholes) and give vague feedback at a snatchy limit although tracking stability and on-centre feel are good.

[s m]

EricE said:

Michelin Pilot Super Sport is still the best UHP tire in the dry.
According to various reviews Continental Sport Contact 5 has slightly worse overall performance (comfort/harshness, noise, longevity, dry handling) but better wet performance. MPSS can be a handful in standing water so most reviews I've read place the Sport Contact 5 as the #1 choice for daily use.

Allegedly there's also a Sport Contact 5P (for performance) out now that's better than the MPSS in all aspects but I haven't found much information on that tyre other than that it's an OEM fitment on the new BMW M3/M4 and owners like it a lot.

Edited by EricE on Monday 31st August 18:26

Have you got links to any magazine reviews of the Continental and Michelin on the same car/conditions perchance?

[EricE]

s m said:

Have you got links to any magazine reviews of the Continental and Michelin on the same car/conditions perchance?

I believe the Conti SportContact 5P is relatively new so no, I can't find a direct comparison at the moment.
The latest issue of Evo (evo.co.uk) has a tyre test with the Continental (which won) but not the MPSS (Michelin supplied the Pilot Sport 3 instead).

Sport Auto (german magazine which I hold in high regard) also did a tyre test a few months back but without any Michelin tyre.

Google translation:

sport auto google translation said:

With slightly less grip when braking and cornering, but without aquaplaning weaknesses of Continental Sport Contact 5P plowing through the water, making with slight understeering tendency at calculable load change reactions and high speeds can easily be controlled - in wet handling a clear 10!
...
The top spots this crowded field make the already wet convincing Conti, Hankook and Pirelli from among themselves: With razor-sharp handling, best steering feedback, exact load change reactions and fast lap times of SportContact pushes to the top, closely followed by newcomer Hankook. There are only tenth with which the Hanoverian may settle when changing lanes in the lap times, by dynamic steering response or a more stable rear.

translated test

I am planning to give the ContiSport 5P a try next time I change tires but if you want pure dry/track performance then the MPSS is likely the safer choice. However it would appear that the gap isn't as massive as it used to be 4 years ago.

[morgrp]

Tyre choice is a personal thing you need to consider your car, your driving style, your budget and the terrain and climate

[R8VXF]

Got the 5P's on the GTS as standard. Was looking to change to MPSS to see what the fuss was about but cannot get them in the right size for one end of the car (can't remember which right now).

Just about to change the rears after 9 1/2k miles of very "spirited" driving, fronts look like they will last another 10-20k.

Handling is good in dry, not bad in wet, and a little dicey in freezing conditions, but at the end of the day I have 576BHP on a large RWD Saloon, would need a miracle tyre to be perfect in all conditions.

If in the market for tyres now, check out https://www.continentalroadtrip.com for a free hotel

[9mm]

Not only are they a great tyre, they're very keenly priced if you shop around. Like <£500 for four for my 350Z.

[MrBarry123]

s m said:

Anyone got a link to a proper mag tyre test where these are back-to-backed against stuff like the Conti 5SC, GY G1s, new Yokos, Pirelli PZero etc?

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/monsters-o...

2012 so a bit dated however I think the majority of the tyres tested are still available.

[carl_w]

s m said:

Anyone got a link to a proper mag tyre test where these are back-to-backed against stuff like the Conti 5SC, GY G1s, new Yokos, Pirelli PZero etc?

This month's EVO has this.

[delta0]

EricE said:

translated test

I am planning to give the ContiSport 5P a try next time I change tires but if you want pure dry/track performance then the MPSS is likely the safer choice. However it would appear that the gap isn't as massive as it used to be 4 years ago.

The Conti 6SC has just come onto the market so you might get those if you wait long enough for them to be a bit more widespread.

[s m]

carl_w said:

s m said:

Anyone got a link to a proper mag tyre test where these are back-to-backed against stuff like the Conti 5SC, GY G1s, new Yokos, Pirelli PZero etc?

This month's EVO has this.

How do the MPSS compare against them?