pilot super sports - Still the tyre to go for?

[HJMS123]

xjay1337 said:

I have Conti Sport 5 on my lease Fiesta.
I find them average at best.

My Scirocco is leased as well and I reckon I'll have to replace the fronts twice before the 2 years /14k miles is up if I stayed with the conti's! They seem to cope with all the power quite well however perform no better than the Eagle F1 Assym 3 or PS3's I've had on my two previous cars and last half as long!

[mikeyscott]

jon- said:

mikeyscott said:

Heard via my BMW dealer PSS will no longer be on new cars and P4S in 18" next March

Are you UK?

There's 18" coming to the US (they might already exist), but my contact at Michelin is saying categorically no to 18" PS4S in the UK in the next 18 months.

I am yes. More M140i arriving with RFT even though spec'd with PSS hence why I asked the dealer

Pass then tbh

[jon-]

mikeyscott said:

jon- said:

mikeyscott said:

Heard via my BMW dealer PSS will no longer be on new cars and P4S in 18" next March

Are you UK?

There's 18" coming to the US (they might already exist), but my contact at Michelin is saying categorically no to 18" PS4S in the UK in the next 18 months.

I am yes. More M140i arriving with RFT even though spec'd with PSS hence why I asked the dealer

Pass then tbh

I'm fairly sure Michelin have to contractually make the PSS in M1xxi sizes for another 4 or 5 years. Of course Michelin could be keeping quiet so that I don't say anything, but they usually don't mind sharing things like that.

Time will tell. There's definitely 18" in america, and maybe 17.

[xjay1337]

HJMS123 said:

My Scirocco is leased as well and I reckon I'll have to replace the fronts twice before the 2 years /14k miles is up if I stayed with the conti's! They seem to cope with all the power quite well however perform no better than the Eagle F1 Assym 3 or PS3's I've had on my two previous cars and last half as long!

My other car is a scirocco and I got 18k out of a set of ps4 including 2 trackdays and 3 days at Santa Pod.

Ps4 is the best all round tyre in my eyes.

[mikeyscott]

xjay1337 said:

HJMS123 said:

My Scirocco is leased as well and I reckon I'll have to replace the fronts twice before the 2 years /14k miles is up if I stayed with the conti's! They seem to cope with all the power quite well however perform no better than the Eagle F1 Assym 3 or PS3's I've had on my two previous cars and last half as long!

My other car is a scirocco and I got 18k out of a set of ps4 including 2 trackdays and 3 days at Santa Pod.

Ps4 is the best all round tyre in my eyes.

That's what I'll got to on the Mini Cooper S and 135i

[BatesAKB]

After spending hours reading the different tyre reviews etc and being sorely gutted that the PS4Ss are yet in 18 in the UK I'm trying to pick an alternative. I'll be doing a lot of long motorway commuting 70miles/day, spirited driving weekend driving on country roads couple times a month and a track day or two. Recently upgraded to an E46 M3 on R18 rims and as we come into summer switching out the Vredestein Wintrax extreme s.
Options I now can't decide between are:
- Michelin PS4 c.£670 per set
- Michelin PSS c.£760 per set
- Falken Azenis FK510 c.£520 per set
- Vredestein Vorti c.£600 per set

Seems that some say Michelin will be too soft sidewall for track use, but then maybe they all will be to a degree. And the Falken seem to be getting good reviews in 2018 reviews, so are the others really £150-£250 better?
Any help is appreciated as think I have started running in circles on my reasoning and online reading. Thanks

[thebraketester]

Ad08r if you want an all round tyre that will do track days but won’t kill you in the wet.

[Garvin]

BatesAKB said:

After spending hours reading the different tyre reviews etc and being sorely gutted that the PS4Ss are yet in 18 in the UK I'm trying to pick an alternative. I'll be doing a lot of long motorway commuting 70miles/day, spirited driving weekend driving on country roads couple times a month and a track day or two. Recently upgraded to an E46 M3 on R18 rims and as we come into summer switching out the Vredestein Wintrax extreme s.
Options I now can't decide between are:
- Michelin PS4 c.£670 per set
- Michelin PSS c.£760 per set
- Falken Azenis FK510 c.£520 per set
- Vredestein Vorti c.£600 per set

Seems that some say Michelin will be too soft sidewall for track use, but then maybe they all will be to a degree. And the Falken seem to be getting good reviews in 2018 reviews, so are the others really £150-£250 better?
Any help is appreciated as think I have started running in circles on my reasoning and online reading. Thanks

Ford, apparently, transferred from MPS4 to MPSS for the new (yet to be put on sale) Fiesta ST because it provided better dynamics for the little hatch i.e. It's the better tyre!

Michelin claim that the MPSS wil provide 20% more mileage then other brand tyres. The on line reviews I've seen tend to support this. Factored in, this closes the cost/price gap.

I have MPSS fitted to my F355 - I cannot fault the tyre in any way although experimenting to get the 'correct' pressures took some time.

I, too, am looking for a set of MPS4S for my Mustang - lauded as the improved MPSS. Not readily available in the sizes I need and I may be down to slicks on the current rubber before I can source a set at a reasonable price!

Go for the MPSS, you will not be disappointed.

[jon-]

Garvin said:

Ford, apparently, transferred from MPS4 to MPSS for the new (yet to be put on sale) Fiesta ST because it provided better dynamics for the little hatch i.e. It's the better tyre!

Interesting if true, where did you hear this? Is it an 18" wheel (which would rule out the MPS4S)

[Cactussed]

FWIW, I run my M3 and F355 on Advan V105's and have no complaints.
I'm no driving God but wet and dry grip are both good, with progressive breakaway.

[Garvin]

jon- said:

Garvin said:

Ford, apparently, transferred from MPS4 to MPSS for the new (yet to be put on sale) Fiesta ST because it provided better dynamics for the little hatch i.e. It's the better tyre!

Interesting if true, where did you hear this? Is it an 18" wheel (which would rule out the MPS4S)

It was in one of the many reviews I read and cannot recall which one. I'll have a look later on and see if I can spot it.

Edit : Found it - Autocar magazine here - see first paragraph of the 'opinion: why the Ford Fiesta ST deserves to be a hot hatch hero' section.

Edited by Garvin on Monday 30th April 14:16

Edited by Garvin on Monday 30th April 14:20

[Ares]

I did some digging when I needed new tyres 2 months ago. Apparently the new top dog is the 'Michelin Pilot Sport 4 S' - effectively replaced the Supersport and upped the game.

Cleaning up in most of the tests, but don't haven't a massive range of sizes, yet at least.

Make sure they are the 's' though, sizeable difference from the std MPS4.

[xjay1337]

I was in Germany last weekend visiting the ring and I saw a Subaru with 245-40-18 Pilot Sport 4 S

Some research shows they are available in the US market.

[BatesAKB]

Yeah so the MPS4S gets rave reviews but only in very limited 18inch sizes and only in US. Annoying because I could upsize on my rims to match the PS4S 18s that are in the US.
However, at the mo they aren't an option.

The Vorti Rs are interesting because in some tests they are right near the top for dry and wet handling while in others they are right near the bottom. Most of the time compared to the MPS4 (without the S). But I still wonder of the tests haven't confused the MPS4S for the MPS4.

Probably will end up with the MPS4 - even though they are less sporty than the MPSS, I think maybe the better wet grip and comfort makes sense for the many long wet drives we get here in the UK and Scotland when I'm back up.
Just such a shame about the MPS4S not being available.

[Earthdweller]

BatesAKB said:

After spending hours reading the different tyre reviews etc and being sorely gutted that the PS4Ss are yet in 18 in the UK I'm trying to pick an alternative. I'll be doing a lot of long motorway commuting 70miles/day, spirited driving weekend driving on country roads couple times a month and a track day or two. Recently upgraded to an E46 M3 on R18 rims and as we come into summer switching out the Vredestein Wintrax extreme s.
Options I now can't decide between are:
- Michelin PS4 c.£670 per set
- Michelin PSS c.£760 per set
- Falken Azenis FK510 c.£520 per set
- Vredestein Vorti c.£600 per set

Seems that some say Michelin will be too soft sidewall for track use, but then maybe they all will be to a degree. And the Falken seem to be getting good reviews in 2018 reviews, so are the others really £150-£250 better?
Any help is appreciated as think I have started running in circles on my reasoning and online reading. Thanks

I’ve just put the Falken FK510’s on my Z4 which has staggered 18’s .. paid just under £400 for the set

They replaced Pirelli Pzero’s

I took the car for a very spirited run round Snowdonia las weekend and so far I’m very happy with them .. car feels better than in the Pzero’s .. but in fairness they were nearly dead

The Falken’s do get very good reviews and seemed a good balance between price, performance and wear

What swung it for me was the fact that I only do 2-3k a year in the car and if I’d payed a lot more for a tyre that does more mileage I’d be replacing the tyres on age before they wore out

That and the fact I can get two sets of Falkens for one set of Michelin’s

Anyway happy so far !

[df76]

I fitted a set of Falken FK510s to the Mini (fronts had to go on in an emergency, so didn't have much choice). I'm impressed by them and have no complaints after several thousand miles. I put the rears on when it was time. They are significantly better than the Yoko v105s that were on before them.

No track use though, so can't advise.. but certainly a very good "budget" option for the road.

[xjay1337]

BatesAKB said:

Yeah so the MPS4S gets rave reviews but only in very limited 18inch sizes and only in US. Annoying because I could upsize on my rims to match the PS4S 18s that are in the US.
However, at the mo they aren't an option.

The Vorti Rs are interesting because in some tests they are right near the top for dry and wet handling while in others they are right near the bottom. Most of the time compared to the MPS4 (without the S). But I still wonder of the tests haven't confused the MPS4S for the MPS4.

Probably will end up with the MPS4 - even though they are less sporty than the MPSS, I think maybe the better wet grip and comfort makes sense for the many long wet drives we get here in the UK and Scotland when I'm back up.
Just such a shame about the MPS4S not being available.

I have ran the normal Vorti's and they were brilliant in terms of feedback and handling.
Wet grip was very good, but not quite on par with a PS4
The Vorti were better on track 100%.
Only downside is they did reduce fuel consumption somewhat.

[Ares]

xjay1337 said:

I have ran the normal Vorti's and they were brilliant in terms of feedback and handling.
Wet grip was very good, but not quite on par with a PS4
The Vorti were better on track 100%.
Only downside is they did reduce fuel consumption somewhat.

PS4S is a very different tyre from the PS4.

[xjay1337]

Ares said:

PS4S is a very different tyre from the PS4.

Yes, OP mentioned going for PS4 due to not being available in his size.

I was sharing some feedback on both tyres in question tested on the same car

[jon-]

Ares said:

PS4S is a very different tyre from the PS4.

That depends who you listen to. I'm not sure anyone has done the test yet, Michelin tell me for road driving the two are very close and it's only on track where the PS4S has a notable advantage.

Michelin have promised me they'll help me with the test but since then the PR guy has been ignoring my requests of getting a date in