Seeking advice on an odd situation with a pre-reg BMW car.
Discussion
Wills2 said:
The vast majority of Y plate prefixes are not BMW direct cars, it's the Yorkshire prefix not just used for Thorne.
If you're getting 65% off a pre reg car what more do you want? If you want a car built after you order it, order one from the local dealer from scratch.
Forgive me if I am being ignorant but masses of cars with Y-reg prefixes go through the BMW AUC system- a good proportion of the cars they have. I always thought these were 'management' cars- it can't just be that Yorkshire buys more BMWs then anywhere else surely? If you're getting 65% off a pre reg car what more do you want? If you want a car built after you order it, order one from the local dealer from scratch.
As regards getting a huge chunk off the list price, yes, there is 'no such thing as a free lunch'. But if the car is 18 months old instead of the 6 months old that most people would assume it to be, then I certainly would have liked to have been made aware of this upfront if only to be given opportunity to address the issues others have picked up earlier in the thread (software updates, warranty etc). If the deal is attractive enough (and an effectively 'new' £32k car for £22k would certainly be so) as long as those concerns are addressed I am sure most buyers would be happy. The dealer's lack of transparency is the issue here- had he said "we've had this car for a while, hence the great deal, but we are going to do x, y, z to put your mind at rest" there would not have been a problem. For the buyer to find the build date 'offline' later just leaves a bitter taste.
Wills2 said:
The vast majority of Y plate prefixes are not BMW direct cars, it's the Yorkshire prefix not just used for Thorne.
If you're getting 65% off a pre reg car what more do you want? If you want a car built after you order it, order one from the local dealer from scratch.
I'm not sure that I was complaining :-)If you're getting 65% off a pre reg car what more do you want? If you want a car built after you order it, order one from the local dealer from scratch.
darren f said:
Wills2 said:
The vast majority of Y plate prefixes are not BMW direct cars, it's the Yorkshire prefix not just used for Thorne.
If you're getting 65% off a pre reg car what more do you want? If you want a car built after you order it, order one from the local dealer from scratch.
Forgive me if I am being ignorant but masses of cars with Y-reg prefixes go through the BMW AUC system- a good proportion of the cars they have. I always thought these were 'management' cars- it can't just be that Yorkshire buys more BMWs then anywhere else surely? If you're getting 65% off a pre reg car what more do you want? If you want a car built after you order it, order one from the local dealer from scratch.
As regards getting a huge chunk off the list price, yes, there is 'no such thing as a free lunch'. But if the car is 18 months old instead of the 6 months old that most people would assume it to be, then I certainly would have liked to have been made aware of this upfront if only to be given opportunity to address the issues others have picked up earlier in the thread (software updates, warranty etc). If the deal is attractive enough (and an effectively 'new' £32k car for £22k would certainly be so) as long as those concerns are addressed I am sure most buyers would be happy. The dealer's lack of transparency is the issue here- had he said "we've had this car for a while, hence the great deal, but we are going to do x, y, z to put your mind at rest" there would not have been a problem. For the buyer to find the build date 'offline' later just leaves a bitter taste.
If the buyer is bothered about when his car was built then just look at the build date as it's stamped on the car, as I've mentioned already I had the same "issue" but no one tried to hide anything I could have looked myself if I was that bothered.
A cars age is defined by its registration date and always has been, when it was built isn't taken into account.
Like I said you can always order one from scratch but then you might not get the same discount, not sure why people think it's odd that a heavily discounted, pre reg car wasn't built last week? If the salesman misrepresents the car then that is a different matter.
[Full Pedant Mode on] I'm not sure I said that, my comment was "all Y-reg prefixes so 'BMW direct' cars" and was not "all Y-reg prefixes are 'BMW direct' cars". Apologies, a pointless avenue for the discussion to go down (there is enough stupid bickering going on other threads without resorting to it here .... 
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Anyway- OP, had any response from the dealer yet?
) Anyway- OP, had any response from the dealer yet?
Edited by darren f on Friday 4th September 14:56
pembo said:
'Shunted around dealerships'.... ha, I bet it was left in a field somewhere. All the dots on these runways are unregistered cars, hidden away until someone wants them. Since finding this place by accident I would always be a bit cautious about build-registered dates.
On the other side of the coin though, you got a good deal on a great car which I'm guessing you are enjoying driving. So unless you are planning on keeping it for ages (and lets face it, this is PH, no one keeps cars for too long on here) you will be able to sell it on/trade it in in the future without the new owner bothering (unless they find this thread).
Not quite correct....On the other side of the coin though, you got a good deal on a great car which I'm guessing you are enjoying driving. So unless you are planning on keeping it for ages (and lets face it, this is PH, no one keeps cars for too long on here) you will be able to sell it on/trade it in in the future without the new owner bothering (unless they find this thread).
Some of these cars will be lease vehicles returned awaiting prep and sale into the trade.
I pass one of these sites every day (there are loads of them throughout the country - just look for pretty much any old WW2 airfield and you have a good chance of finding one) and transporters regularly come in and out of them with 11 to 14 plate cars on them.
lostkiwi said:
Not quite correct....
Some of these cars will be lease vehicles returned awaiting prep and sale into the trade.
I pass one of these sites every day (there are loads of them throughout the country - just look for pretty much any old WW2 airfield and you have a good chance of finding one) and transporters regularly come in and out of them with 11 to 14 plate cars on them.
Indeed, a few years ago I worked for a contractor that quoted for some work for a 'fleet disposal' company at an ex-Army facility over in the Midlands (near Warwick I think). They were taking cars from nationwide fleet companies, ex hire and lease company cars, prepping them for re-introduction into the trade- they were putting extensive spray-booth facilities into the old (massive) tank servicing sheds and paving over huge areas of ground for parking up cars they were going to handle. We didn't get the work which was a shame as it was going to be a massive operation, I'm not sure if it ever happened. Some of these cars will be lease vehicles returned awaiting prep and sale into the trade.
I pass one of these sites every day (there are loads of them throughout the country - just look for pretty much any old WW2 airfield and you have a good chance of finding one) and transporters regularly come in and out of them with 11 to 14 plate cars on them.
nickfrog said:
OP, what net discount did you get off list in % terms ? If significantly more than what is available on a factory order, then I would be happy. If not, then, I would be a bit pissed off, but then again you wanted the car there and then...
35%. As I say, happy with that.nickfrog said:
OP, what net discount did you get off list in % terms ? If significantly more than what is available on a factory order, then I would be happy. If not, then, I would be a bit pissed off, but then again you wanted the car there and then...
Approx 20% so about the same as ordering a new model.I've been talking back and fore with the garage over the weekend, initially they were very defensive but that stance has changed for some reason.
They've said the car was PDI'd twice (once at BMW and once at their garage) yet no one picked up on the iDrive service dates being from February 2014. When I asked if it had been reset, would the car really have been expected to go 4.5 years from build until the first brake fluid change? And 3 for the first oil change? What date are the navigation maps?
They agreed it's not right and really didn't know what the answer was *but* they did say they'd like to have the car back to sell on? The area manager was going in next week so he was going to query everything with him as they wanted to know themselves. When I mentioned the servicing aspects etc they seemed to agree.
They've offered to put me in a new one for approx £3.5k ish over the cost of this one and I can transfer over the 5 year service pack to it. Still mulling it over but I'm glad they could see how it could be an issue and want to work with me.
The fact they've become more responsive suggests they realise they have been 'caught out' I reckon. Your fears about servicing are of course genuine and nothing they do or say now is going to remedy the feeling that they were trying a 'sly one' in the original sale. What does the £3,500 equate to as a discount on a new price? From posts in the BMW section it does seem that 20% off list is doable, although broker prices (Broadspeed etc) suggest that 1-ers may be discounted less. I'd push to get them somewhere near the best broker price, maybe with a deal on some options as 'goodwill' for your trouble. If of course you are still happy dealing with them? Good luck.
So you effectively bought a tiny mileage pre registered car for about the going rate of a new car, have questioned the build date, the dealer is pleading ignorance but offering to sell you another car, and all is well?
I'm sorry, but how are you benefitting from this?
If I were you, I'd just get on with enjoying the car.
I'm sorry, but how are you benefitting from this?
If I were you, I'd just get on with enjoying the car.
darren f said:
From posts in the BMW section it does seem that 20% off list is doable, .
For new cars, that's only with PCP, and for which interest charges seem to bring the quotes down to around the 10% mark. 10% for self-finance and 15-20% for PCP seems to be fairly standard across marques.
yofi said:
darren f said:
From posts in the BMW section it does seem that 20% off list is doable, .
For new cars, that's only with PCP, and for which interest charges seem to bring the quotes down to around the 10% mark. 10% for self-finance and 15-20% for PCP seems to be fairly standard across marques.
Or simply use Coast To Coast.
nickfrog said:
yofi said:
darren f said:
From posts in the BMW section it does seem that 20% off list is doable, .
For new cars, that's only with PCP, and for which interest charges seem to bring the quotes down to around the 10% mark. 10% for self-finance and 15-20% for PCP seems to be fairly standard across marques.
Or simply use Coast To Coast.
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