Seeking advice on an odd situation with a pre-reg BMW car.
Discussion
GP335i said:
So do you think its a case that the iDrive should have been reprogrammed during pdi and has been forgotten about?
I would have thought so, although I've never sold BMWs so that's an educated guess. To my mind the service clock should have started from June when the car was registered. Unless a dealer PDI'd the car when they first took delivery last year?
I sent it to the DP and it's been passed around the house where someone is now dealing with it (apparently), I've requested they are kept copied into all correspondence though.
I know from when I rejected my mini JCW that any complaint is never top priority and that was on a car which spent 3 months out of 6 in the garage!
I'm a bit more relaxed about it all now but there's still a lot of questions that need answered... Yet I'm aware that might not happen.
I'm now wondering if it was pdi'd at all.
I know from when I rejected my mini JCW that any complaint is never top priority and that was on a car which spent 3 months out of 6 in the garage!
I'm a bit more relaxed about it all now but there's still a lot of questions that need answered... Yet I'm aware that might not happen.
I'm now wondering if it was pdi'd at all.
GP335i said:
I sent it to the DP and it's been passed around the house where someone is now dealing with it (apparently), I've requested they are kept copied into all correspondence though.
I know from when I rejected my mini JCW that any complaint is never top priority and that was on a car which spent 3 months out of 6 in the garage!
I'm a bit more relaxed about it all now but there's still a lot of questions that need answered... Yet I'm aware that might not happen.
I'm now wondering if it was pdi'd at all.
An email to Graeme Grieve (BMW UK MD) will sort it. I have his email if you need.I know from when I rejected my mini JCW that any complaint is never top priority and that was on a car which spent 3 months out of 6 in the garage!
I'm a bit more relaxed about it all now but there's still a lot of questions that need answered... Yet I'm aware that might not happen.
I'm now wondering if it was pdi'd at all.
In my opinion the crux of this matter is whether, had the dealer told you the true age of the car would you have bought it - probably no or probably not at that price
There is an onus on a seller not to deliberately mislead and withhold relevant information. If they knew and they thought you wouldn't buy the car if they told you its was a lot older that is the same as misleading you.
You might find more info. on the government website regarding buying cars; but I think the Sale of Goods Act is probably on your side.
There is an onus on a seller not to deliberately mislead and withhold relevant information. If they knew and they thought you wouldn't buy the car if they told you its was a lot older that is the same as misleading you.
You might find more info. on the government website regarding buying cars; but I think the Sale of Goods Act is probably on your side.
darren f said:
I'm currently looking to change car and BMW is an option. There are several 1 and 3-Series (majority are the former) kicking around in their AUC system (all Y-reg prefixes so 'BMW direct' cars) that are registered Jan-Mar 2015 with less than 50 miles on them, it would be interesting to know the build date on these too. Most seem to be petrol-engined 1-ers (lots of 125is) that appear storming value compared to new. One wonders if these have proven to be comparatively difficult to shift and just how long they've been sitting around 
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Some, at 65% of list price, seem almost too good be true, hence my nervousness about having just bought one. I'll check out the build date vs Feb 15 date and report back. ? Edited by yofi on Thursday 3rd September 23:24
Edited by yofi on Thursday 3rd September 23:25
OP - why does this bother you? Its just a number
If you are happy with its condition/performance etc then just forget about it.
My only concern is the warranty as it starts from date of 1st registration.
If you are planning on keeping it a good few years then it will be less important come resale time as most of the buying public will just go off reg number
If you are happy with its condition/performance etc then just forget about it.
My only concern is the warranty as it starts from date of 1st registration.
If you are planning on keeping it a good few years then it will be less important come resale time as most of the buying public will just go off reg number
V8A*ndy said:
GP335i said:
Will certainly check in future, seriously just never expected that a moderately in demand car could've sat around unused for 18 months!
This is certainly odd and there has to be a reason for it....However after just speed reading the thread, if it hasn't been already mentioned a car sitting for a year and a half FFS!!!!
are the fluids ok? has the engine oil perhaps gone acidic? are there flat spots on the tyres?
I really wouldn't be too pleased either TBH.
How many 1 series do they sell? Now how many AREN'T diesel, so how many of the remaining few percent of petrols are the big lumpy engines ones? The amount they sell with this engine is tiny in the grand scheme of things and more than likely only popular on this here forum for obvious reasons.
It's more than likely been sat in a dealership and shunted around the showroom once every few weeks as they change the display around.
I don't really see a massive issue with it, I'd ask them to cover the cost of the first service as it will be due a lot sooner. Other than that, I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve?
yofi said:
Some, at 65% of list price, seem almost too good be true, hence my nervousness about having just bought one. I'll check out the build date vs Feb 15 date and report back.
Indeed, my 'too good to be true' radar went off as well! For instance the 125is are all very good spec cars (Pro Nav, leather, heated seats etc), £32k+ list price and BMW AUC have them at £22k-£23k. All seem to be a very similar spec, Feb 15 registered, sub 20 miles and are distributed around dealers in the North West. All very . Is there something I'm missing here? Fast Bug said:
V8A*ndy said:
GP335i said:
Will certainly check in future, seriously just never expected that a moderately in demand car could've sat around unused for 18 months!
This is certainly odd and there has to be a reason for it....However after just speed reading the thread, if it hasn't been already mentioned a car sitting for a year and a half FFS!!!!
are the fluids ok? has the engine oil perhaps gone acidic? are there flat spots on the tyres?
I really wouldn't be too pleased either TBH.
How many 1 series do they sell? Now how many AREN'T diesel, so how many of the remaining few percent of petrols are the big lumpy engines ones? The amount they sell with this engine is tiny in the grand scheme of things and more than likely only popular on this here forum for obvious reasons.
It's more than likely been sat in a dealership and shunted around the showroom once every few weeks as they change the display around.
I don't really see a massive issue with it, I'd ask them to cover the cost of the first service as it will be due a lot sooner. Other than that, I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve?
drdel said:
In my opinion the crux of this matter is whether, had the dealer told you the true age of the car would you have bought it - probably no or probably not at that price
There is an onus on a seller not to deliberately mislead and withhold relevant information. If they knew and they thought you wouldn't buy the car if they told you its was a lot older that is the same as misleading you.
You might find more info. on the government website regarding buying cars; but I think the Sale of Goods Act is probably on your side.
The problem is its an issue NOW.There is an onus on a seller not to deliberately mislead and withhold relevant information. If they knew and they thought you wouldn't buy the car if they told you its was a lot older that is the same as misleading you.
You might find more info. on the government website regarding buying cars; but I think the Sale of Goods Act is probably on your side.
Had the dealer brought it up that the car had been built the previous year, and had sat in a showroom somewhere / whatever reason then as the O/P seemed to want the car anyway probably no issue.
However now, with the information, and a bit irked, it would be easy to say "oh i wouldnt have taken it".
I'm not sure what the SOGA would do for you here - there is no allowance for build date in the SOGA. How do you know that the TV you buy out of Currys wasnt built last year? If it was, would that have affected your purchasing decision, and would that entitle you to your money back?
Yes, i can sort of understand the undisclosed history aspect relative say, to the car being an ex hire car or driving school car or taxi, as there will be extra wear and tear on the car potentially.
Both Glass's Guide and CAP Black Book value cars on registration date, condition and miles. They dont account for build date.
GP335i said:
Servicing is not an issue as I paid for a five year service pack, what is an issue in that respect is why the servicing is showing up as being required from Feb 2014, not the registration date in mid 2015.
Maybe they missed setting the service clock on the PDI? I'm not sure if that's something that you do with a BMW as I've never sold them. Have you asked the dealer that?What are you trying to achieve out of complaining? Is there an end goal that you're aiming for? Are you wanting more money off? Or something else?
Fast Bug said:
What are you trying to achieve out of complaining? Is there an end goal that you're aiming for? Are you wanting more money off? Or something else?
^^^This is what you need to decide. No point in being upset and complaining about something unless you know what you want out of it.darren f said:
yofi said:
Some, at 65% of list price, seem almost too good be true, hence my nervousness about having just bought one. I'll check out the build date vs Feb 15 date and report back.
Indeed, my 'too good to be true' radar went off as well! For instance the 125is are all very good spec cars (Pro Nav, leather, heated seats etc), £32k+ list price and BMW AUC have them at £22k-£23k. All seem to be a very similar spec, Feb 15 registered, sub 20 miles and are distributed around dealers in the North West. All very . Is there something I'm missing here? On the old price list/option catalogue, in additions to sports transmission, metallic paint, leather extra, M sport pack etc, it ticks off the following:-
- Driver Comfort package
- Interior Comfort package
- M Sport Plus package
- BMW Navigation package
- Media package – BMW Professional
- Sun Protection package
- Xenon Headlight package
(The above being more or less covered by the reduced number of packages on the facelift 125i m sport).
Also got the 5 yr service pack thrown in.
I think I should be nervous, very nervous....
As you say, they're all based in Yorkshire, with some dealers offering more competitive prices than others. Some versions seems to be minus the M Plus sport package.
yofi said:
darren f said:
I'm currently looking to change car and BMW is an option. There are several 1 and 3-Series (majority are the former) kicking around in their AUC system (all Y-reg prefixes so 'BMW direct' cars) that are registered Jan-Mar 2015 with less than 50 miles on them, it would be interesting to know the build date on these too. Most seem to be petrol-engined 1-ers (lots of 125is) that appear storming value compared to new. One wonders if these have proven to be comparatively difficult to shift and just how long they've been sitting around ?
Some, at 65% of list price, seem almost too good be true, hence my nervousness about having just bought one. I'll check out the build date vs Feb 15 date and report back. ? If you're getting 65% off a pre reg car what more do you want? If you want a car built after you order it, order one from the local dealer from scratch.
'Shunted around dealerships'.... ha, I bet it was left in a field somewhere. All the dots on these runways are unregistered cars, hidden away until someone wants them. Since finding this place by accident I would always be a bit cautious about build-registered dates.
On the other side of the coin though, you got a good deal on a great car which I'm guessing you are enjoying driving. So unless you are planning on keeping it for ages (and lets face it, this is PH, no one keeps cars for too long on here) you will be able to sell it on/trade it in in the future without the new owner bothering (unless they find this thread).
On the other side of the coin though, you got a good deal on a great car which I'm guessing you are enjoying driving. So unless you are planning on keeping it for ages (and lets face it, this is PH, no one keeps cars for too long on here) you will be able to sell it on/trade it in in the future without the new owner bothering (unless they find this thread).
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