Best smoker barges 1-5 large [Vol 9]
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CX53 said:
bob-lad said:
Love the almost Arnarge rear 3/4 view.
And the parking pole.
It's less than a set of tyres. Get it bought man.
The parking pole is strangely appealing! And the parking pole.
It's less than a set of tyres. Get it bought man.
Things I like:
Maintained, including a precautionary gearbox fluid change
The weird looks & Never see them on the road
As you say, less than a set of tyres
Stupid and unecessary but I strangely just want it
Parking pole!!
Would make a cracking readers car thread
I would look hilarious in it
Things I dislike:
Lowered (possibly badly)
Wheels from a disco...
£900 could go towards something to cherish and be proud of instead of a bit of a laugh
Aftermarket HID kit (this really bugs me)
Terrible wood trim
I think I should try and leave this alone, as I can imagine some instant buyers remorse here, a very strange thing indeed and worth sharing with the thread though!
Comfy seats, loads of kit,decently maintained , and enough cylinders to waft.
Exactly what bargedom is all about.
dafeller said:
edo said:
A year or two ago there were lots of E38s (or so I thought) now I cant find any worth considering...
\\I find this attractive and not entirely out of haggling distance of the <£5K
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BMW-750i-SWB-e38-Sport-V...
Edited by dafeller on Monday 8th February 09:26
sjc said:
Other than it being lowered a tad too much I love it.
Comfy seats, loads of kit,decently maintained , and enough cylinders to waft.
Exactly what bargedom is all about.
I think putting it back to a standard ride height or lowering it with 30mm lowering springs (which seem to be quite readily available) would be a must for me. Comfy seats, loads of kit,decently maintained , and enough cylinders to waft.
Exactly what bargedom is all about.
sjc said:
CX53 said:
bob-lad said:
Love the almost Arnarge rear 3/4 view.
And the parking pole.
It's less than a set of tyres. Get it bought man.
The parking pole is strangely appealing! And the parking pole.
It's less than a set of tyres. Get it bought man.
Things I like:
Maintained, including a precautionary gearbox fluid change
The weird looks & Never see them on the road
As you say, less than a set of tyres
Stupid and unecessary but I strangely just want it
Parking pole!!
Would make a cracking readers car thread
I would look hilarious in it
Things I dislike:
Lowered (possibly badly)
Wheels from a disco...
£900 could go towards something to cherish and be proud of instead of a bit of a laugh
Aftermarket HID kit (this really bugs me)
Terrible wood trim
I think I should try and leave this alone, as I can imagine some instant buyers remorse here, a very strange thing indeed and worth sharing with the thread though!
Comfy seats, loads of kit,decently maintained , and enough cylinders to waft.
Exactly what bargedom is all about.
In same same vain, surely we'd consider a Skoda Superb to be a Barge, or a top of the line V6 Vectra etc? Hey, don't get me wrong - I love a car with a bit of je ne se quoi, but surely there's a fine line.
And Land Rover wheels? Really?
Pennyroyal Tea said:
Does a Hyundai really qualify as a Barge? Is a Barge not, by definition, something that was once rather special and has now depreciated enough to be enjoyed by the more modest of pocket?
In same same vain, surely we'd consider a Skoda Superb to be a Barge, or a top of the line V6 Vectra etc? Hey, don't get me wrong - I love a car with a bit of je ne se quoi, but surely there's a fine line.
And Land Rover wheels? Really?
This thread will have an agreed definition of 'barge' just after Hell freezes over.In same same vain, surely we'd consider a Skoda Superb to be a Barge, or a top of the line V6 Vectra etc? Hey, don't get me wrong - I love a car with a bit of je ne se quoi, but surely there's a fine line.
And Land Rover wheels? Really?
For me: must be auto, must have 4 doors, must have enough power for effortless cruising, and be well equipped (cruise control, auto AC, etc).
The Hyundai fits, but all of these poverty spec BMW/MBs don't.
Pennyroyal Tea said:
sjc said:
CX53 said:
bob-lad said:
Love the almost Arnarge rear 3/4 view.
And the parking pole.
It's less than a set of tyres. Get it bought man.
The parking pole is strangely appealing! And the parking pole.
It's less than a set of tyres. Get it bought man.
Things I like:
Maintained, including a precautionary gearbox fluid change
The weird looks & Never see them on the road
As you say, less than a set of tyres
Stupid and unecessary but I strangely just want it
Parking pole!!
Would make a cracking readers car thread
I would look hilarious in it
Things I dislike:
Lowered (possibly badly)
Wheels from a disco...
£900 could go towards something to cherish and be proud of instead of a bit of a laugh
Aftermarket HID kit (this really bugs me)
Terrible wood trim
I think I should try and leave this alone, as I can imagine some instant buyers remorse here, a very strange thing indeed and worth sharing with the thread though!
Comfy seats, loads of kit,decently maintained , and enough cylinders to waft.
Exactly what bargedom is all about.
In same same vain, surely we'd consider a Skoda Superb to be a Barge, or a top of the line V6 Vectra etc? Hey, don't get me wrong - I love a car with a bit of je ne se quoi, but surely there's a fine line.
And Land Rover wheels? Really?
Every toy, won't be ruinous,mod cons, chuck it when bored..I'd rather sit in that for my donkey miles up and down the motorways,or in stop start traffic reflect that the comfy chair I'm sitting on was 900 quid,than sit in a 4 cylinder base spec 190E or such like (a car that wasn't ever a barge or indeed rated in it's time).
The same reason I've had two top spec 75 V6's that I've done circa 100k miles in.Doesnt have to be 100k new in my eyes.
EskimoArapaho said:
Pennyroyal Tea said:
Does a Hyundai really qualify as a Barge? Is a Barge not, by definition, something that was once rather special and has now depreciated enough to be enjoyed by the more modest of pocket?
In same same vain, surely we'd consider a Skoda Superb to be a Barge, or a top of the line V6 Vectra etc? Hey, don't get me wrong - I love a car with a bit of je ne se quoi, but surely there's a fine line.
And Land Rover wheels? Really?
This thread will have an agreed definition of 'barge' just after Hell freezes over.In same same vain, surely we'd consider a Skoda Superb to be a Barge, or a top of the line V6 Vectra etc? Hey, don't get me wrong - I love a car with a bit of je ne se quoi, but surely there's a fine line.
And Land Rover wheels? Really?
For me: must be auto, must have 4 doors, must have enough power for effortless cruising, and be well equipped (cruise control, auto AC, etc).
The Hyundai fits, but all of these poverty spec BMW/MBs don't.
I agree, barge is about soft waft.
W00DY said:
Croutons said:
I'd just like to lower the tone (although I freakin' love it!)
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
Few bits and that could look rather lovely.http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1984-Ford-Crown-Victoria...
A V8, lots of brown and a decent spec.
Pennyroyal Tea said:
Does a Hyundai really qualify as a Barge? Is a Barge not, by definition, something that was once rather special and has now depreciated enough to be enjoyed by the more modest of pocket?
In same same vain, surely we'd consider a Skoda Superb to be a Barge, or a top of the line V6 Vectra etc? Hey, don't get me wrong - I love a car with a bit of je ne se quoi, but surely there's a fine line.
And Land Rover wheels? Really?
So by this logic I can't call a new 7 series or A8 a barge? In same same vain, surely we'd consider a Skoda Superb to be a Barge, or a top of the line V6 Vectra etc? Hey, don't get me wrong - I love a car with a bit of je ne se quoi, but surely there's a fine line.
And Land Rover wheels? Really?
CX53 said:
Pennyroyal Tea said:
Does a Hyundai really qualify as a Barge? Is a Barge not, by definition, something that was once rather special and has now depreciated enough to be enjoyed by the more modest of pocket?
In same same vain, surely we'd consider a Skoda Superb to be a Barge, or a top of the line V6 Vectra etc? Hey, don't get me wrong - I love a car with a bit of je ne se quoi, but surely there's a fine line.
And Land Rover wheels? Really?
So by this logic I can't call a new 7 series or A8 a barge? In same same vain, surely we'd consider a Skoda Superb to be a Barge, or a top of the line V6 Vectra etc? Hey, don't get me wrong - I love a car with a bit of je ne se quoi, but surely there's a fine line.
And Land Rover wheels? Really?
A 'Barge' is a barge at the bottom of its depreciation curve (or nearing), ready for the delectafication/destruction of this here internetz.
BeirutTaxi said:
W00DY said:
Croutons said:
I'd just like to lower the tone (although I freakin' love it!)
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
Few bits and that could look rather lovely.http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1984-Ford-Crown-Victoria...
A V8, lots of brown and a decent spec.
E24man said:
A chap has recently joined the Seven series register forum and is posting rather nice pics of his newly aquired, very rare and very low mileage E38 L7 that was for sale for years.
Doesn't happen to be near Portsmouth by any chance? I could swear I saw an E38 L7 a couple of weeks ago..... Was absolutely massive and definitely seemed longer than a LWB Krikkit said:
hornetrider said:
I fancy an F01 at some point, they just look so fracking awesome. They have so much presence.
An acquaintance of mine bought one of the facelifted from new, complete with laser headlights etc, and it's a very impressive machine. Diesel, but very impressive machine.
sjc said:
BeirutTaxi said:
W00DY said:
Croutons said:
I'd just like to lower the tone (although I freakin' love it!)
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
Few bits and that could look rather lovely.http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1984-Ford-Crown-Victoria...
A V8, lots of brown and a decent spec.
You're somewhat wrong about the 190 though
E24man said:
dafeller said:
edo said:
A year or two ago there were lots of E38s (or so I thought) now I cant find any worth considering...
\\I find this attractive and not entirely out of haggling distance of the <£5K
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BMW-750i-SWB-e38-Sport-V...
Edited by dafeller on Monday 8th February 09:26
These people who think a 1999 750i with over 150K miles on the clock is a £6000 car are deluding themselves. That advert led me to another E38 750 with 115K miles on the clock for £7000. Those cars are just not worth it at this time...maybe never will be.
One has to remember that the people on this this represent a very distorted sample of car buyers i.e. people who would even consider buying a 5.4L V12 car. And let's face it, mostly we'd do it because they can/could/should be had for very small amounts of money...hence £5-Large has been the upper limit of even this thread. In fact, often a lot of the cars considered here are actually a lot less than that.
When one starts getting into figures like £6000 or £7000 those sums (in my book anyway) are no longer "small amounts of money" that one can afford to almost throw away on self-indulgent treats or toys. No one genuinely needs a big barge to get from A to B these days, do they? However, we like them because we like them! And we can afford to buy ourselves these luxuries without too much financial pain.
Who (even here!) would seriously consider handing over £6000 or £7000 for those cars? With their 5.4L engines plus attendant running costs those are mid-thread budget cars at best in my book. At that sort of price, Ireckon there's a chance someone might buy one of them on an indulgent whim. Beyond that I'm afraid I think those sellers are sadly deluded.
But I'll add this: "They're not alone!"
Yesterday, I spent half the morning scrolling through about 50 pages of "Classic" cars on EBay. There are literally hundreds of deluded sellers...or should I say "non-sellers" on there who think they can somehow jump upon a supposed current upsurge in the value of their "classic cars". They're doing or trying to do this on the back of what they see the usual dealers currently getting away with at the upper end of the market.
However, I'm afraid that unless you find a particularly stupid buyer, selling your ropey, ordinary, high mileage E30 318i (or some such), into which you've put absolutely no effort other than take it down to the local whirly-brush car wash, for £8000 just isn't going to happen. Yet there are innumerable numbers of such sellers currently. All deluded!
As I've got a couple of weeks off work, I spent some time this morning scrolling through a full 50 pages of BMWs for sale on Car & Classic. In all fifty of those pages only 3 (three!) cars had actually sold! One of those was the car that I sold this weekend.
Those 50 pages go right back to cars for sale at the end of last year. Why haven't more sold? Well, there's one simple answer...because most are being marketed at unrealistic, speculative prices that are just too high for anyone to want to pay the amount being asked for them!
To reiterate, in all 50 pages (and that's somewhere near 1000 BMW cars even subtracting motorbikes) only 3 cars sold. Additionally, I think I only noted two or three cars that I would have even remotely been interested in because they were somewhere near decent looking and sounding cars; at somewhere near what I might remotely consider paying for them...but even they were too much really and that's why even they've been for sale for ages.
As an example, a couple of years ago I helped a local chap sell his very nice, low mileage (30k) E21 320i. It didn't sell quickly...but it did sell at £4000:
http://www.bmwclassics.co.uk/gallery/index.php?spg...
So, I wonder why, at nearly £14,000 (i.e. £10,000 more) this E21 hasn't sold?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1982-BMW-E21-320-Coupe-g...
or this?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1982-BMW-320-MANUAL-ONLY...
hornetrider said:
Krikkit said:
hornetrider said:
I fancy an F01 at some point, they just look so fracking awesome. They have so much presence.
An acquaintance of mine bought one of the facelifted from new, complete with laser headlights etc, and it's a very impressive machine. Diesel, but very impressive machine.The refinement is very good, the only hint of the wrong fuel is the engine noise at idle and a less smooth noise (but not progress) at speed.
I'd hold out for a petrol, but I can't blame the original purchaser for their choice of engine.
A barge is just a big car. Almost any big car.
A smoker is an old, low value car - probably a fairly big car. Possibly something outre, disreputable, shady, naff or otherwise a bit off-key or unusual. To be used and abused.
Some of the stuff in here isn't a barge, and lots of the nicer stuff certainly isn't a smoker. But we'd be the worse off if we excluded them.
A smoker is an old, low value car - probably a fairly big car. Possibly something outre, disreputable, shady, naff or otherwise a bit off-key or unusual. To be used and abused.
Some of the stuff in here isn't a barge, and lots of the nicer stuff certainly isn't a smoker. But we'd be the worse off if we excluded them.
SpeckledJim said:
A barge is just a big car. Almost any big car.
A smoker is an old, low value car - probably a fairly big car. Possibly something outre, disreputable, shady, naff or otherwise a bit off-key or unusual. To be used and abused.
Some of the stuff in here isn't a barge, and lots of the nicer stuff certainly isn't a smoker. But we'd be the worse off if we excluded them.
But yet, a couple of pages back, we dismissed a V6 Vectra as 'not a barge' (or words to that effect).A smoker is an old, low value car - probably a fairly big car. Possibly something outre, disreputable, shady, naff or otherwise a bit off-key or unusual. To be used and abused.
Some of the stuff in here isn't a barge, and lots of the nicer stuff certainly isn't a smoker. But we'd be the worse off if we excluded them.
For me a 'Smoker Barge' is a car at the bottom of its curve, with a good bit of life left that you might not be too precious about (i.e. something you use daily). Absolute essentials are:
-Luxury
-Comfort
-Performance (relative)
-Presence
So for me, the Vectra fails my test (as does that Hyundai abortion), but seems to pass yours(?)
Just curious.
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