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Pennyroyal Tea said:
Emeye said:
Aha! I owned an E46 325ti Sport manual about 10 years ago - it was a good car, Top Gear called is a mini M3, but it had a bit of an identity crisis. Couldn't decide if it was a hot-hatch or more bargish. The CDV drove me mad, though it definitely helps the clutch life - either my current E92 325i SE doesn't seem to suffer as much, or after a number of manual BMWs, including an E39 530i Sport, maybe I've just go used to it?
The CDV can be removed and modded in about 10 mins. All that's required is a hammer and a punch to knock out the restrictive disc that sits inside the CDV.Simples
Emeye said:
I thought about doing it every time I bought a manual BMW, but I like my clutch lasting!
On the contrary, ol' bean, the CDV is there to exploit the weak link in the drivetrain (i.e. the clutch) and protect the rest of it. It's an idiot device, basically.Therefore, for those of us with decent clutch control and a modicum of mechanical sympathy, the CDV mod is a win-win solution.
BeirutTaxi said:
S3_Graham said:
On the American theme. I want this badly. It's been for sale for months and is getting cheaper and cheaper. I'd leave every junction in a cloud of smoke. Its so s
t it's cool.
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C666319
I normally hate looking at cars with stats however it's hard to ignore the fact that it has a less bhp/ton than a 190e 2.0. (170bhp and 1850kg vs 122bhp and 1150kg).t it's cool.http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C666319
My guess is that there won't be muscle car rear smoking tyres, just normal acceleration with a large fuel bill.
It happened in every mid 90's film where there was a car chase!! I must be true!
Pennyroyal Tea said:
On the contrary, ol' bean, the CDV is there to exploit the weak link in the drivetrain (i.e. the clutch) and protect the rest of it. It's an idiot device, basically.
Therefore, for those of us with decent clutch control and a modicum of mechanical sympathy, the CDV mod is a win-win solution.
Ah, OK, I always thought it was there to protect the clutch - I've never had to change a clutch on my BMWs.Therefore, for those of us with decent clutch control and a modicum of mechanical sympathy, the CDV mod is a win-win solution.
dbdb said:
MG511 said:
While we're on an American theme... http://www.barons-auctions.com/auction_details.php...
You look at that and then think of what Europe was producing in 1984, amazing!
American car makers had lost their way by then. If you go back a further 20-30 years, the comparison reverses for most cars. You look at that and then think of what Europe was producing in 1984, amazing!
I like quite a few American cars, but my favourites were all built before 1980. I like their unrestrained nature; I find most German cars and many European cars generally, to be dull, flavourless things in comparison, with only their work-a-day competence to recommend them.
It's what attracts me to Jags; they're not so boring and restrained (albeit perhaps not so efficient either) - and have a trans-Atlantic hybrid character in some ways.
Each to his own I guess, but it brings variety to the thread!
Edited by dbdb on Wednesday 10th February 12:34
Emeye said:
Pennyroyal Tea said:
On the contrary, ol' bean, the CDV is there to exploit the weak link in the drivetrain (i.e. the clutch) and protect the rest of it. It's an idiot device, basically.
Therefore, for those of us with decent clutch control and a modicum of mechanical sympathy, the CDV mod is a win-win solution.
Ah, OK, I always thought it was there to protect the clutch - I've never had to change a clutch on my BMWs.Therefore, for those of us with decent clutch control and a modicum of mechanical sympathy, the CDV mod is a win-win solution.
BeirutTaxi said:
dbdb said:
MG511 said:
While we're on an American theme... http://www.barons-auctions.com/auction_details.php...
You look at that and then think of what Europe was producing in 1984, amazing!
American car makers had lost their way by then. If you go back a further 20-30 years, the comparison reverses for most cars. You look at that and then think of what Europe was producing in 1984, amazing!
I like quite a few American cars, but my favourites were all built before 1980. I like their unrestrained nature; I find most German cars and many European cars generally, to be dull, flavourless things in comparison, with only their work-a-day competence to recommend them.
It's what attracts me to Jags; they're not so boring and restrained (albeit perhaps not so efficient either) - and have a trans-Atlantic hybrid character in some ways.
Each to his own I guess, but it brings variety to the thread!
Edited by dbdb on Wednesday 10th February 12:34
And the main, main reason to buy a Jaguar >>> silhouette.
So indomitably (yet benevolently, natch) does Jaguar own the silhouette territory, you might rarely hear the word in other contexts.
Also >>> tumblehome and turn under. Lovely. Just tumblehome and turn under. Mmm.
Edited by SpeckledJim on Wednesday 10th February 14:49
derin100 said:
Leins said:
W00DY said:
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/b...
Over-budget and it's not a full fat Alpina, but it is lovely.
Would need to be verified with Sytners as a genuine conversion, unless paperwork is available as part of the sale. E24_Man might know more about this car?
http://thealpinaregister.com/forums/viewtopic.php?...
Woody, aside from not being made in Buchloe and having two chassis numbers, how is it 'not full-fat'?
I was offered this exact car in late 2013 when hunting for an Alpina Seven Series although I was really after a B12 V12. The owner then had purchased it from Yorkshire about a dozen years before (and coincidentally I had seen it there 13 years before) but had not used it on the road for 3 or 4 years or so. It started and ran but I did not get a chance to drive it on the road. It was purchased the following year by the same person who had owned it all those years before in Yorkshire.
I had a very good look over the car in 2013 and whilst on initial appearance it seemed ok there were lots of areas of concern. There is no doubt the car is completely genuine, the registration number history, the chassis number and the plaque number have been checked. The car was offered for sale last year as well for 5 figures so perhaps reality and a lack of enquiries have helped him adjust his evaluation.
Most E32's have increased in price in the past few years and there being no 'M' variants there is precious little to compare any Alpina's to. The last E32 Alpina sold with a MoT in this country that I am aware of was the 4Star car many years ago and also this one which was offered but unsold all last year. During my B12 search I did manage to track down the identities of all the E38 UK Alpina cars and some of the E32 UK Alpina cars - this car is perhaps the only B11 3.5 anywhere near road worthyness as its MoT ran out in March last year. AFAIK no other E32 B11's are on the road.
Given the advert lists completely the wrong specifications as well as the mileage I would be very wary that it isn't a con.
E24man said:
derin100 said:
Leins said:
W00DY said:
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/b...
Over-budget and it's not a full fat Alpina, but it is lovely.
Would need to be verified with Sytners as a genuine conversion, unless paperwork is available as part of the sale. E24_Man might know more about this car?
http://thealpinaregister.com/forums/viewtopic.php?...
Woody, aside from not being made in Buchloe and having two chassis numbers, how is it 'not full-fat'?
I was offered this exact car in late 2013 when hunting for an Alpina Seven Series although I was really after a B12 V12. The owner then had purchased it from Yorkshire about a dozen years before (and coincidentally I had seen it there 13 years before) but had not used it on the road for 3 or 4 years or so. It started and ran but I did not get a chance to drive it on the road. It was purchased the following year by the same person who had owned it all those years before in Yorkshire.
I had a very good look over the car in 2013 and whilst on initial appearance it seemed ok there were lots of areas of concern. There is no doubt the car is completely genuine, the registration number history, the chassis number and the plaque number have been checked. The car was offered for sale last year as well for 5 figures so perhaps reality and a lack of enquiries have helped him adjust his evaluation.
Most E32's have increased in price in the past few years and there being no 'M' variants there is precious little to compare any Alpina's to. The last E32 Alpina sold with a MoT in this country that I am aware of was the 4Star car many years ago and also this one which was offered but unsold all last year. During my B12 search I did manage to track down the identities of all the E38 UK Alpina cars and some of the E32 UK Alpina cars - this car is perhaps the only B11 3.5 anywhere near road worthyness as its MoT ran out in March last year. AFAIK no other E32 B11's are on the road.
Given the advert lists completely the wrong specifications as well as the mileage I would be very wary that it isn't a con.
PH auto fills the specifications I think and often they're miles out. I wouldn't say that points to anything untoward
E24man said:
Here's a thread with all the details you need; 254-260bhp depending on year; 0-62 in 7.5 and 154mph top speed although contemporary German road tests almost always exceeded Alpina's conservative claims. The wood in the centre console gear surround is genuine and original.
http://thealpinaregister.com/forums/viewtopic.php?...
Woody, aside from not being made in Buchloe and having two chassis numbers, how is it 'not full-fat'?
I was offered this exact car in late 2013 when hunting for an Alpina Seven Series although I was really after a B12 V12. The owner then had purchased it from Yorkshire about a dozen years before (and coincidentally I had seen it there 13 years before) but had not used it on the road for 3 or 4 years or so. It started and ran but I did not get a chance to drive it on the road. It was purchased the following year by the same person who had owned it all those years before in Yorkshire.
I had a very good look over the car in 2013 and whilst on initial appearance it seemed ok there were lots of areas of concern. There is no doubt the car is completely genuine, the registration number history, the chassis number and the plaque number have been checked. The car was offered for sale last year as well for 5 figures so perhaps reality and a lack of enquiries have helped him adjust his evaluation.
Most E32's have increased in price in the past few years and there being no 'M' variants there is precious little to compare any Alpina's to. The last E32 Alpina sold with a MoT in this country that I am aware of was the 4Star car many years ago and also this one which was offered but unsold all last year. During my B12 search I did manage to track down the identities of all the E38 UK Alpina cars and some of the E32 UK Alpina cars - this car is perhaps the only B11 3.5 anywhere near road worthyness as its MoT ran out in March last year. AFAIK no other E32 B11's are on the road.
Given the advert lists completely the wrong specifications as well as the mileage I would be very wary that it isn't a con.
Completely O/T but would you (or anyone else) happen to know anyone after an E24 project? Friend at works father passed away and he is left with his 635CSI that he has no idea what to do with. He's not a car guy and has no interest in restoring it but it has massive sentimental value. I don't think he is after a lot of money and is keen for it to go to someone that will restore it. Apparently it needs new wings and 4 star classics said the fuel system needs going over, He said they mentioned a price of £6k but that sounds ridiculous for a fuel system?http://thealpinaregister.com/forums/viewtopic.php?...
Woody, aside from not being made in Buchloe and having two chassis numbers, how is it 'not full-fat'?
I was offered this exact car in late 2013 when hunting for an Alpina Seven Series although I was really after a B12 V12. The owner then had purchased it from Yorkshire about a dozen years before (and coincidentally I had seen it there 13 years before) but had not used it on the road for 3 or 4 years or so. It started and ran but I did not get a chance to drive it on the road. It was purchased the following year by the same person who had owned it all those years before in Yorkshire.
I had a very good look over the car in 2013 and whilst on initial appearance it seemed ok there were lots of areas of concern. There is no doubt the car is completely genuine, the registration number history, the chassis number and the plaque number have been checked. The car was offered for sale last year as well for 5 figures so perhaps reality and a lack of enquiries have helped him adjust his evaluation.
Most E32's have increased in price in the past few years and there being no 'M' variants there is precious little to compare any Alpina's to. The last E32 Alpina sold with a MoT in this country that I am aware of was the 4Star car many years ago and also this one which was offered but unsold all last year. During my B12 search I did manage to track down the identities of all the E38 UK Alpina cars and some of the E32 UK Alpina cars - this car is perhaps the only B11 3.5 anywhere near road worthyness as its MoT ran out in March last year. AFAIK no other E32 B11's are on the road.
Given the advert lists completely the wrong specifications as well as the mileage I would be very wary that it isn't a con.
SpeckledJim said:
BeirutTaxi said:
dbdb said:
MG511 said:
While we're on an American theme... http://www.barons-auctions.com/auction_details.php...
You look at that and then think of what Europe was producing in 1984, amazing!
American car makers had lost their way by then. If you go back a further 20-30 years, the comparison reverses for most cars. You look at that and then think of what Europe was producing in 1984, amazing!
I like quite a few American cars, but my favourites were all built before 1980. I like their unrestrained nature; I find most German cars and many European cars generally, to be dull, flavourless things in comparison, with only their work-a-day competence to recommend them.
It's what attracts me to Jags; they're not so boring and restrained (albeit perhaps not so efficient either) - and have a trans-Atlantic hybrid character in some ways.
Each to his own I guess, but it brings variety to the thread!
Edited by dbdb on Wednesday 10th February 12:34
And the main, main reason to buy a Jaguar >>> silhouette.
So indomitably (yet benevolently, natch) does Jaguar own the silhouette territory, you might rarely hear the word in other contexts.
Also >>> tumblehome and turn under. Lovely. Just tumblehome and turn under. Mmm.
Edited by SpeckledJim on Wednesday 10th February 14:49
BeirutTaxi said:
SpeckledJim said:
BeirutTaxi said:
dbdb said:
MG511 said:
While we're on an American theme... http://www.barons-auctions.com/auction_details.php...
You look at that and then think of what Europe was producing in 1984, amazing!
American car makers had lost their way by then. If you go back a further 20-30 years, the comparison reverses for most cars. You look at that and then think of what Europe was producing in 1984, amazing!
I like quite a few American cars, but my favourites were all built before 1980. I like their unrestrained nature; I find most German cars and many European cars generally, to be dull, flavourless things in comparison, with only their work-a-day competence to recommend them.
It's what attracts me to Jags; they're not so boring and restrained (albeit perhaps not so efficient either) - and have a trans-Atlantic hybrid character in some ways.
Each to his own I guess, but it brings variety to the thread!
Edited by dbdb on Wednesday 10th February 12:34
And the main, main reason to buy a Jaguar >>> silhouette.
So indomitably (yet benevolently, natch) does Jaguar own the silhouette territory, you might rarely hear the word in other contexts.
Also >>> tumblehome and turn under. Lovely. Just tumblehome and turn under. Mmm.
Edited by SpeckledJim on Wednesday 10th February 14:49
BeirutTaxi said:
SpeckledJim said:
BeirutTaxi said:
dbdb said:
MG511 said:
While we're on an American theme... http://www.barons-auctions.com/auction_details.php...
You look at that and then think of what Europe was producing in 1984, amazing!
American car makers had lost their way by then. If you go back a further 20-30 years, the comparison reverses for most cars. You look at that and then think of what Europe was producing in 1984, amazing!
I like quite a few American cars, but my favourites were all built before 1980. I like their unrestrained nature; I find most German cars and many European cars generally, to be dull, flavourless things in comparison, with only their work-a-day competence to recommend them.
It's what attracts me to Jags; they're not so boring and restrained (albeit perhaps not so efficient either) - and have a trans-Atlantic hybrid character in some ways.
Each to his own I guess, but it brings variety to the thread!
Edited by dbdb on Wednesday 10th February 12:34
And the main, main reason to buy a Jaguar >>> silhouette.
So indomitably (yet benevolently, natch) does Jaguar own the silhouette territory, you might rarely hear the word in other contexts.
Also >>> tumblehome and turn under. Lovely. Just tumblehome and turn under. Mmm.
Edited by SpeckledJim on Wednesday 10th February 14:49
Lungwun said:
Just can't get into E32's at all.
Was/Is there anything special about them? I imagine the I6 730's would struggle to get along and the 735's would just be marginally better.
Hope you gentlemen prove me wrong.
Would any of you pick them for DD duties over a W126 of similar vintage?
Possibly. I think the E32 and W126 were both good expressions of their relative stables. Whereas today they both build the best car they can, which is basically the same car.Was/Is there anything special about them? I imagine the I6 730's would struggle to get along and the 735's would just be marginally better.
Hope you gentlemen prove me wrong.
Would any of you pick them for DD duties over a W126 of similar vintage?
E32 is just like a big E34, where a W126 is like a big W124, with all the concomitant positives and negatives of those differing cars.
Both great. Both different. Both an easily justifiable choice over the other.
) but I definitely agree that the X300 and X308 are infinitely more Jag-like.W00DY said:
Oh, just the not made in Buchloe bit really. It's not something that bothers me, but I know some are a touch more dismissive.
PH auto fills the specifications I think and often they're miles out. I wouldn't say that points to anything untoward
Oh, ok. I have trawled through many details of the Sytner and Buchloe cars and dashclocks and chassis numbers aside there are no different parts. The B11 discussed even has the correct Alpina six branch manifold which produces a beautiful rumble and burble.PH auto fills the specifications I think and often they're miles out. I wouldn't say that points to anything untoward
S3_Graham said:
Completely O/T but would you (or anyone else) happen to know anyone after an E24 project? Friend at works father passed away and he is left with his 635CSI that he has no idea what to do with. He's not a car guy and has no interest in restoring it but it has massive sentimental value. I don't think he is after a lot of money and is keen for it to go to someone that will restore it. Apparently it needs new wings and 4 star classics said the fuel system needs going over, He said they mentioned a price of £6k but that sounds ridiculous for a fuel system?
AFAIK new wings are currently NLA but would cost near £1300 if they were. This, any other rust (there will be lots) and any other problems can often be enough to write off an E24 these days; almost all projects are a labour of love unless they are a low mileage 'M' or alpina example. Feel free to PM me any details so I could help further; 4Star would only generally be interested in almost mint examples.Leins said:
Lungwun said:
Just can't get into E32's at all.
Was/Is there anything special about them? I imagine the I6 730's would struggle to get along and the 735's would just be marginally better.
Hope you gentlemen prove me wrong.
Would any of you pick them for DD duties over a W126 of similar vintage?
Whilst I enjoy this thread I sometimes can't over the 'middle-aged courdoroy and tweed' love of the three-pointed star. Granted there are some interesting high end examples and AMG offerings but quite honestly I can't ever imagine being or feeling old enough to desire a Mercedes Benz.Was/Is there anything special about them? I imagine the I6 730's would struggle to get along and the 735's would just be marginally better.
Hope you gentlemen prove me wrong.
Would any of you pick them for DD duties over a W126 of similar vintage?
As for E32's, what's not to like......
Edited by E24man on Wednesday 10th February 16:47
Lungwun said:
Just can't get into E32's at all.
Was/Is there anything special about them? I imagine the I6 730's would struggle to get along and the 735's would just be marginally better.
Hope you gentlemen prove me wrong.
Would any of you pick them for DD duties over a W126 of similar vintage?
A 735i does over 140mph so is hardly slow. 8 seconds to 60 largely because of the gearbox hampering it but even so it's not that bad at all. Was/Is there anything special about them? I imagine the I6 730's would struggle to get along and the 735's would just be marginally better.
Hope you gentlemen prove me wrong.
Would any of you pick them for DD duties over a W126 of similar vintage?
From what I gather the W126 cars are quite unrefined compared to later cars. I've not been in a W126 but I can say an E32 seemed more refined than a W124 and so is definitely up for DD duties.
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