RE: Clio RenaultSport 220 Trophy on Track
Discussion
I've seen Clio's on the road and wondered if this would be my first time of seeing a lesser spotted 200 turbo, but alas.
I wanted this car to be very good but I'm getting more and more disappointed as time goes on as they try to polish this big semi soft gem/turd. I do hope Renault are not going to now spend 40 months in the wilderness like Pug did...
It's a shame Renault Sport have not done something extreme NA with the Twingo
I wanted this car to be very good but I'm getting more and more disappointed as time goes on as they try to polish this big semi soft gem/turd. I do hope Renault are not going to now spend 40 months in the wilderness like Pug did...
It's a shame Renault Sport have not done something extreme NA with the Twingo
GTEYE said:
charltjr said:
GTEYE said:
Hmm not the same target market?
Apples and slightly more expensive apples.
I wouldn't have said so really. The Audi is all about perceived build quality, rapid, secure, etc, but it's a bit numb. Apples and slightly more expensive apples.
The RenaultSport Clios always used to major on driver involvement and damn the rest of it, I guess maybe this iteration actually is closer in spirit to cars like the S1. Certainly the pricing of the Trophy puts it closer to the S1 although the Audi is three grand-ish more expensive which at this price point is a pretty big leap.
New RS Clios are now an exceptionally rare sight, rarer even than GT86's!
D'oh!
At least there's still the Megane Cup-S, that's a compelling package.
Back in the time Chris Harris was testing the normal Clio RS on road and track and he said the car did not need a diff on the street at all. It was more needed on the track. It would probably be even better if it would have a proper diff, but this electronic RS diff is working quite well on road and with the stiffer chassis and the stickier tyres it is good also on track. Otherwise the Clio would not be that close now to the Megane Trophy in terms of lap times. Just think on the results of Knockhill (with standing start), Llandow, Magny-Course and Bedford. But it is up on you.
@ charltjr: don't judge it on terms of fun before you even have driven it. It is fun, a huge fun! But if you think it is more fun not keeping up with it, go for the fiesta. You can even tune the fiesta and you will still stay behind. Lap after lap with even more distance behind. Then you only need to get used to it to keep the line free for the faster ones and get used to the crapy interior and horrible looks of the fiesta. And beside of the track performance even for daily drive the Clio is much better, more comfortable, etc...
@ nickfrog: check EVO Mag track test at Bedford, TopGear's test at Knockhill, Motorsport Magazine FR at Magny-Course, etc... at Llandlow AE did not even dare to publish the Fiesta's laptime. it was that much slower than the Clio Trophy and the Pug 208 Gti by PS. These are just simply closer to the Megane Trophy's lap times than to the Fiesta's. The difference is huge. Sorry, but for the moment there is no other track test only these ones. But these are showing the same result. For your reference, the Clio trophy is now within a second to the mighty Focus RS500 on tracks. And if you don't want to belive it you can check the same resources.
I have noticed that the articles about the latest generation RS clio all seem to have a similar pattern. That is, the changes made have improved things a little (if you are feeling really generous), but ultimately the car is disappointing failure.
I can but hope that Renault treat this latest incarnation as a valiant experiment but ultimately a failure.
They should cast their glance to the Fiesta ST.
For me, Ford have recaptured the spirit of the original XR2 with the ST. Its looks set it apart from the rest of the Fiesta crowd, and it has just enough performance and gizmos to make it a special occasion when you drive it.
Come on Renault, ignore the bean counters and the marketeers and get back to doing what you do so well, making no-compromise street racers
I can but hope that Renault treat this latest incarnation as a valiant experiment but ultimately a failure.
They should cast their glance to the Fiesta ST.
For me, Ford have recaptured the spirit of the original XR2 with the ST. Its looks set it apart from the rest of the Fiesta crowd, and it has just enough performance and gizmos to make it a special occasion when you drive it.
Come on Renault, ignore the bean counters and the marketeers and get back to doing what you do so well, making no-compromise street racers
@ Danny Milner: I know about that video, thanks! That is what I said. The Clio Trophy and the Pug 208 GTi by PS are both much-much faster around any track than the Fiesta ST even with the Mountune kit. And that is not only proven at Llandow, but on all tracks they were tested.
@ Axionknight: barely anybody has bought one?
Yeh… sure! No. 500 is already been delivered and the numbers are still going up. I ordered mine on the 14th of August and has an expected delivery date of end of December. And I guess that will with number way over the 1000th. And that is only the Trophy. The normal RS reached the sales number of 5000 pcs by end of 2013 worldwide. But that is the only number I found on the web. If you are more interested in these figures go and search for it.
@ BaronVonVaderham: I’m not from RenaultSport PR Dept, but was funny to see this kind of comment from another RenaultSport owner. Shame on you! But I guess your anger is coming from the fact you just recently realized that your RS is too slow compared to the new Trophy. However, I still like the old one as well, funny little things, but it is not good and comfortable enough for daily drive if you have a family. But the new Trophy is very usable and comfortable on daily drive and on the same time it is much quicker around the tracks and also in the straight line. Perfect mix!
@ Axionknight: barely anybody has bought one?
Yeh… sure! No. 500 is already been delivered and the numbers are still going up. I ordered mine on the 14th of August and has an expected delivery date of end of December. And I guess that will with number way over the 1000th. And that is only the Trophy. The normal RS reached the sales number of 5000 pcs by end of 2013 worldwide. But that is the only number I found on the web. If you are more interested in these figures go and search for it. @ BaronVonVaderham: I’m not from RenaultSport PR Dept, but was funny to see this kind of comment from another RenaultSport owner. Shame on you! But I guess your anger is coming from the fact you just recently realized that your RS is too slow compared to the new Trophy. However, I still like the old one as well, funny little things, but it is not good and comfortable enough for daily drive if you have a family. But the new Trophy is very usable and comfortable on daily drive and on the same time it is much quicker around the tracks and also in the straight line. Perfect mix!
BioSkunk said:
@ nickfrog: check EVO Mag track test at Bedford, TopGear's test at Knockhill, Motorsport Magazine FR at Magny-Course, etc... at Llandlow AE did not even dare to publish the Fiesta's laptime. it was that much slower than the Clio Trophy and the Pug 208 Gti by PS. These are just simply closer to the Megane Trophy's lap times than to the Fiesta's. The difference is huge. Sorry, but for the moment there is no other track test only these ones. But these are showing the same result. For your reference, the Clio trophy is now within a second to the mighty Focus RS500 on tracks. And if you don't want to belive it you can check the same resources.
I can't find any of that stuff - any links ?Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff