Are modern cars really faster than old ones?
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300bhp/ton said:
I really do not understand how you and the others don't understand the question?
The fact that nobody seems to understand the question, including you (who, as I said earlier, failed to abide by his own arbitrary rules), should give you a hint it's incomprehensible s
te.
Yes they are way quicker than old cars.
My BM 1 series is much quicker than even a 3 series from the 80s. It's also got amazing handling and brakes, much better than even 10 years ago.
Maybe its unfair to include BMs as they are specially developed for enthusiasts so will be better than most, but even my old Peugeot 206CC was quite some performer, but that was a different type of sports car so not a good comparison.
What about asking if new cars have a better image than old ones, a new BM shows you've made it, but if you drive an old one, even if it is a 3 series, people just think you can't afford a decent set of wheels
My BM 1 series is much quicker than even a 3 series from the 80s. It's also got amazing handling and brakes, much better than even 10 years ago.
Maybe its unfair to include BMs as they are specially developed for enthusiasts so will be better than most, but even my old Peugeot 206CC was quite some performer, but that was a different type of sports car so not a good comparison.
What about asking if new cars have a better image than old ones, a new BM shows you've made it, but if you drive an old one, even if it is a 3 series, people just think you can't afford a decent set of wheels
sc0tt said:
yonex said:
Anyway...... Are these lions all African or a mixture?
Good point. Can someone please confirm?yonex said:
MC Bodge said:
Isn't original question,
"As I can't afford a new car, can it somehow be argued that old ones are faster?"
Older ones might be more tricky / involving / fun, but even modern, 'normal' cars have very impressive road performance compared to those of 20-30 years ago.
This is it, entirely. Fifth Gear IIRC ran this test with an Integrale and E30 M3. As a machine to drive there is no comparison to some of the modern boring cars but pure speed, newer is quicker. "As I can't afford a new car, can it somehow be argued that old ones are faster?"
Older ones might be more tricky / involving / fun, but even modern, 'normal' cars have very impressive road performance compared to those of 20-30 years ago.
EVO did a similar test at Cadwell with stuff like the Corsa VXR, Clio 197 or similar etc and an Integrale - the Integrale was beaten there as well
ManOpener said:
300bhp/ton said:
I really do not understand how you and the others don't understand the question?
The fact that nobody seems to understand the question, including you (who, as I said earlier, failed to abide by his own arbitrary rules), should give you a hint it's incomprehensible ste.
TarpaTow said:
Maybe its unfair to include BMs as they are specially developed for enthusiasts so will be better than most, but even my old Peugeot 206CC was quite some performer, but that was a different type of sports car so not a good comparison.
DanielSan said:
BMW's really aren't developed for enthusiasts anymore, M cars aside, and without sounding harsh the 206cc is no sort of performer and definitely isn't in any way a sports car.
He's obviously joking! See what he said about driving a new BMW meaning that you have 'made it'.L
A front wheel drive 2.0 turbo diesel hatchback might not be what purists want, but they can be quick cross-country and comfortable (if not specified with overly-firm suspension and excessively low profile tyres). Handling is safe. more adjustable on the throttle might be desirable to some (I like it), but most people would just crash....
Sadly, really fast cars and bikes are becoming fairly irrelevant as road vehicles.
The Sort of thing that people tried to achieve through modification and tuning is now available off the shelf in a mid-range car.
ORD said:
And the gap between normal cars and fast cars has reduced dramatically. I don't buy into this nonsense about a GTD being as fast as a Ferrari, but a boggo 2 litre diesel isn't massively slower than an entry level Porsche, Aston or whatever, and 3 litre diesels are about as fast.
Yes, the point is that a modern 'normal' car can be driven fairly quickly on the road by a half-decent driver with a high degree of confidence that it will stay on the road.A front wheel drive 2.0 turbo diesel hatchback might not be what purists want, but they can be quick cross-country and comfortable (if not specified with overly-firm suspension and excessively low profile tyres). Handling is safe. more adjustable on the throttle might be desirable to some (I like it), but most people would just crash....
Sadly, really fast cars and bikes are becoming fairly irrelevant as road vehicles.
The Sort of thing that people tried to achieve through modification and tuning is now available off the shelf in a mid-range car.
MC Bodge said:
Yes, the point is that a modern 'normal' car can be driven fairly quickly on the road by a half-decent driver with a high degree of confidence that it will stay on the road.
A front wheel drive 2.0 turbo diesel hatchback might not be what purists want, but they can be quick cross-country and comfortable (if not specified with overly-firm suspension and excessively low profile tyres). Handling is safe. more adjustable on the throttle might be desirable to some (I like it), but most people would just crash....
Sadly, really fast cars and bikes are becoming fairly irrelevant as road vehicles.
The Sort of thing that people tried to achieve through modification and tuning is now available off the shelf in a mid-range car.
But you can still go for a faster model, and still extract more from it (if that's the route you choose)A front wheel drive 2.0 turbo diesel hatchback might not be what purists want, but they can be quick cross-country and comfortable (if not specified with overly-firm suspension and excessively low profile tyres). Handling is safe. more adjustable on the throttle might be desirable to some (I like it), but most people would just crash....
Sadly, really fast cars and bikes are becoming fairly irrelevant as road vehicles.
The Sort of thing that people tried to achieve through modification and tuning is now available off the shelf in a mid-range car.
There is still plenty of room for seriously fast cars and seriously fast bikes.
TarpaTow said:
My BM 1 series is much quicker than even a 3 series from the 80s. It's also got amazing handling and brakes, much better than even 10 years ago.
Maybe its unfair to include BMs as they are specially developed for enthusiasts so will be better than most, but even my old Peugeot 206CC was quite some performer, but that was a different type of sports car so not a good comparison.
What about asking if new cars have a better image than old ones, a new BM shows you've made it, but if you drive an old one, even if it is a 3 series, people just think you can't afford a decent set of wheels
This has got to be a joke post. So much wrong.Maybe its unfair to include BMs as they are specially developed for enthusiasts so will be better than most, but even my old Peugeot 206CC was quite some performer, but that was a different type of sports car so not a good comparison.
What about asking if new cars have a better image than old ones, a new BM shows you've made it, but if you drive an old one, even if it is a 3 series, people just think you can't afford a decent set of wheels
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