RE: Shed Of The Week: Citroen Saxo VTR
Discussion
mr_angry said:
I race one of these in the 750MC Stock Hatch Championship and can certainly vouch for the first sentence. Why go and spend £xK on a fancy thing you're too scared to use or are unable to drive? I've done several track days in mine for practice and there aren't many roadcars that are well enough driven to come near on lap time. It's huge fun sitting right behind the Porsches etc. pressing them to move over. There's no more fun than driving these little hooligan cars at eleven tenths :-)
Agreed - these make great little track cars, my stock hatch prep'd VTR is not massively modified over a standard car (maybe 130 bhp) but even with that they give great laptimes I have noticed on track days like Brands hatch we are quick enough to embarrass some very quick road cars, for whatever reason these things corner incredibly well once set up for the track (and even a standard road version is fun on twisty roads)/What car are you in mr-angry? (I'm 99).
Edited by rallycross on Friday 4th September 15:34
This is a woman car and I can not believe it is shed of week, are you a spaz to say this? I Japan if you have a beautiful mistress this is a car you buy your ugly wife to sham her, so I don't know maybe who would want this car?! I leave you this proverb to ponder, "If you flog a baboon because it is ugly, you will end up killing it."
Happyjap said:
This is a woman car and I can not believe it is shed of week, are you a spaz to say this? I Japan if you have a beautiful mistress this is a car you buy your ugly wife to sham her, so I don't know maybe who would want this car?! I leave you this proverb to ponder, "If you flog a baboon because it is ugly, you will end up killing it."
Best post I've ever read.Wouldn't touch the car with someone elses pole. £1k track toy it is not. Deathtrap, perhaps.
AntiLagGC8 said:
I was always under the impression for a harness to be safe it needed to be mounted at the correct angle from a cage rather than from the floor? Have I misunderstood about safe mounting of a harness?
No.I would never touch that car simply because if they're prepared to bodge the harness install like that, I wouldn't trust a single other thing done to the car.
YellowCar said:
Harness but no cage in a car with a flimsy body, at full pelt on a track. Your neck isn't going to be very healthy when you roll it...
Yes exactly my point. Somebody else pointed out that the harness install looked a bodge-up. A cage will cost anything from 500 quid to over a grand depending on whether you're able to do all the work yourself. All of a sudden it doesn't look like such a cheap track-day chariot does it?
My VTS cost less than this even when factoring in the cost of a new rear axle, cat and a bit of the gear linkage that it needed straight away (and its done less than half the miles). I'm sure the VTR is still good fun but that's way too much to spend on this one (especially as half of its missing!). You wouldn't get the satisfaction at 4000 rpm (when vtec kicks in yo) with the VTR either...
AntiLagGC8 said:
I was always under the impression for a harness to be safe it needed to be mounted at the correct angle from a cage rather than from the floor? Have I misunderstood about safe mounting of a harness?
Nope, harness install looks OK. See drawing number 39 of 2015 issue of MSA Blue Book;https://www.msauk.org/assets/156-195commonregulati...
10 to 45 degree angle below horizontal from seat back to mounting points is acceptable - would still want reinforcing plates under the floor if it was me though.
However harness fixings like this won't be acceptable in most 'proper' competition cars next year when the MSA mandates HANS devices! Expect to possibly see many more 'proper' competition cars just doing track days instead...!!
keefr22 said:
AntiLagGC8 said:
I was always under the impression for a harness to be safe it needed to be mounted at the correct angle from a cage rather than from the floor? Have I misunderstood about safe mounting of a harness?
Nope, harness install looks OK. See drawing number 39 of 2015 issue of MSA Blue Book;https://www.msauk.org/assets/156-195commonregulati...
10 to 45 degree angle below horizontal from seat back to mounting points is acceptable - would still want reinforcing plates under the floor if it was me though.
However harness fixings like this won't be acceptable in most 'proper' competition cars next year when the MSA mandates HANS devices! Expect to possibly see many more 'proper' competition cars just doing track days instead...!!
Price seems a bit strong for what it is. Considering I'm selling my MR2 Turbo road/track car on PH for not much more money!
I've had a couple of VTR's back in the day, 100bhp doesn't seem much but they were pretty nippy, anything over 90mph was like going at warp speed 10 in the enterprise....
I've had a couple of VTR's back in the day, 100bhp doesn't seem much but they were pretty nippy, anything over 90mph was like going at warp speed 10 in the enterprise....
This one is a tad rough but done right they are cracking. I spent some money on mine and it dusted up most other small fast cars. Cooper s's, fiesta's, even vts's. Mine was a vtr.
Loved this and I still miss it. It was so noisy and full of vibrations due to the solid mounts but oh did it handle.
There's a full thread on Ph somewhere if you're interested.
Loved this and I still miss it. It was so noisy and full of vibrations due to the solid mounts but oh did it handle.
There's a full thread on Ph somewhere if you're interested.
Track_Cit said:
This one is a tad rough but done right they are cracking. I spent some money on mine and it dusted up most other small fast cars. Cooper s's, fiesta's, even vts's. Mine was a vtr.
Loved this and I still miss it. It was so noisy and full of vibrations due to the solid mounts but oh did it handle.
There's a full thread on Ph somewhere if you're interested.
Those brakes look bigger than standard?? Loved this and I still miss it. It was so noisy and full of vibrations due to the solid mounts but oh did it handle.
There's a full thread on Ph somewhere if you're interested.
I've just picked one of these up. A friend was getting rid of his one owner 1997 mk 1 vtr for next to nothing therefore had to have it. After talking another friend into turning into a track car with me, he then turns up with a used c2 vts engine, gearbox, ecu etc fully converted to slot it. We've never worked on cars therefore our logic is it will be great fun doing it, and far cheaper than the expense spent on track days in much more expensive machinery. A search for cheap seats, brakes etc soon to commence.
Edited by NorthernPhil on Tuesday 8th September 20:35
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