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[MK1RS Bruce]

Devil2575 said:

Sump said:

robemcdonald said:

Sump said:

In places like India or China the rich don't allow the poor to basically get educated. It stops them from causing disruption and having their own ideas/agendas.

This is a perfect example of why they do that.

What a strange post.

Hardly, her article justifies my post.

You are an idiot.

Why don't you fk off to India...

In India people are prepared to work hard to try and escape poverty, they have aspirations and are willing to work hard to achieve them, the reason for this is that they do not have the welfare system that we have.

I believe that a welfare system is needed to protect the unfortunate, those who are unable to work for some reason, I do not believe it should be available to to those who do not want to work.

However we are also faced with a situation where there are not enough jobs for everyone in the country and a market place where we are not competitive for exports, how do you solve this??

I don't think you can and if you know how it can be solved then please speak up.

[Devil2575]

MK1RS Bruce said:

Devil2575 said:

Sump said:

robemcdonald said:

Sump said:

In places like India or China the rich don't allow the poor to basically get educated. It stops them from causing disruption and having their own ideas/agendas.

This is a perfect example of why they do that.

What a strange post.

Hardly, her article justifies my post.

You are an idiot.

Why don't you fk off to India...

In India people are prepared to work hard to try and escape poverty, they have aspirations and are willing to work hard to achieve them, the reason for this is that they do not have the welfare system that we have.

I believe that a welfare system is needed to protect the unfortunate, those who are unable to work for some reason, I do not believe it should be available to to those who do not want to work.

However we are also faced with a situation where there are not enough jobs for everyone in the country and a market place where we are not competitive for exports, how do you solve this??

I don't think you can and if you know how it can be solved then please speak up.

What has this got to do with the post I was replying too?

He was saying that in India they don't educate poor people as a way of stopping them expressing their views.

[MK1RS Bruce]

Devil2575 said:

What has this got to do with the post I was replying too?

He was saying that in India they don't educate poor people as a way of stopping them expressing their views.

I don't agree that the wealthy suppress the education of the poor in India to stop them complaining. I honestly think that the poor in India don't complain because they have aspirations and are willing to work, If your country has no welfare system then the only way to not be poor is to earn money and the only way to earn money is to work hard. In our country you can have a good standard of living by manipulating the welfare system and the welfare system is seen as a right instead of a safe guard.

Apologies if my point was not clear, all my views are my own obviously and sometimes they make more sense in my head than they do in print.

[Devil2575]

MK1RS Bruce said:

Devil2575 said:

What has this got to do with the post I was replying too?

He was saying that in India they don't educate poor people as a way of stopping them expressing their views.

I don't agree that the wealthy suppress the education of the poor in India to stop them complaining. I honestly think that the poor in India don't complain because they have aspirations and are willing to work, If your country has no welfare system then the only way to not be poor is to earn money and the only way to earn money is to work hard. In our country you can have a good standard of living by manipulating the welfare system and the welfare system is seen as a right instead of a safe guard.

Apologies if my point was not clear, all my views are my own obviously and sometimes they make more sense in my head than they do in print.

I think that if you manipulate the welfare system you can live but I don't think you can have a good standard of living.

What makes you think poor people in India don't complain? India is also living in the wake of the caste system which by it's very nature suppresses those from poorer backgrounds.

[MK1RS Bruce]

Devil2575 said:

I think that if you manipulate the welfare system you can live but I don't think you can have a good standard of living.

What makes you think poor people in India don't complain? India is also living in the wake of the caste system which by it's very nature suppresses those from poorer backgrounds.

What constitutes a Good Standard of Living is subjective, I come from a farming background so my idea of a good standard of living is pretty low, but general point is that we have a welfares system which is designed to help the vulnerable in our society which is also open to abuse. if it were stricter then the people who really need it might get a better service?

I have no doubt people complain in India, the difference between here and there is that they probably have something to complain about, again apologies that distinction was not clear in my earlier post.

[MikeGoodwin]

I'm glad the piece of st got caught.

Part and parcel of owning a nice car (Even my old Clio GT got kicked, keyed and spat on many times) as there's always going to be some that wants to destroy what you have because deep down they know they have no chance of ever owning anything worth a second look. Worked hard for your toys but cant own them without some jealous defacing it.

Real shame about the article, personally I think shes no better than a racist.

[SpeedMattersNot]

MK1RS Bruce said:

Devil2575 said:

What has this got to do with the post I was replying too?

He was saying that in India they don't educate poor people as a way of stopping them expressing their views.

I don't agree that the wealthy suppress the education of the poor in India to stop them complaining. I honestly think that the poor in India don't complain because they have aspirations and are willing to work, If your country has no welfare system then the only way to not be poor is to earn money and the only way to earn money is to work hard. In our country you can have a good standard of living by manipulating the welfare system and the welfare system is seen as a right instead of a safe guard.

Apologies if my point was not clear, all my views are my own obviously and sometimes they make more sense in my head than they do in print.

Or steal cars

[Devil2575]

SpeedMattersNot said:

MK1RS Bruce said:

Devil2575 said:

What has this got to do with the post I was replying too?

He was saying that in India they don't educate poor people as a way of stopping them expressing their views.

I don't agree that the wealthy suppress the education of the poor in India to stop them complaining. I honestly think that the poor in India don't complain because they have aspirations and are willing to work, If your country has no welfare system then the only way to not be poor is to earn money and the only way to earn money is to work hard. In our country you can have a good standard of living by manipulating the welfare system and the welfare system is seen as a right instead of a safe guard.

Apologies if my point was not clear, all my views are my own obviously and sometimes they make more sense in my head than they do in print.

Or steal cars

Or scratch and scrape around refuse sites.

Let's not forget that a great many people fall through the cracks in countries without a welfare system. It isn't just a case of whether you work hard as to an individuals ability to lift themselves out of poverty. An awful lot of it is down to luck and the circumstances to which you are born into.

[Sump]

Devil2575 said:

Sump said:

robemcdonald said:

Sump said:

In places like India or China the rich don't allow the poor to basically get educated. It stops them from causing disruption and having their own ideas/agendas.

This is a perfect example of why they do that.

What a strange post.

Hardly, her article justifies my post.

You are an idiot.

Why don't you fk off to India...

Cause I'm happy with my life here

[gizlaroc]

Devil2575 said:

Let's not forget that a great many people fall through the cracks in countries without a welfare system. It isn't just a case of whether you work hard as to an individuals ability to lift themselves out of poverty. An awful lot of it is down to luck and the circumstances to which you are born into.

bks.

Just most of us can't be arsed to really push ourselves.

It is just easier to drift along in life.

[Blakewater]

gizlaroc said:

Devil2575 said:

Let's not forget that a great many people fall through the cracks in countries without a welfare system. It isn't just a case of whether you work hard as to an individuals ability to lift themselves out of poverty. An awful lot of it is down to luck and the circumstances to which you are born into.

bks.

Just most of us can't be arsed to really push ourselves.

It is just easier to drift along in life.

I know people in the USA who can't go to the doctor when they're ill because they can only afford health insurance for their children. Hospitals like to charge silly money and add all sorts to people's bills which the insurance companies then play games over to get out of paying for. Like this chap who got a $55,000 bill for an appendectomy which he "only" had to contribute $11,119.23 towards. Imagine being a 20 year old student or being a young person on a basic wage with little in the way of savings not only having to cover the cost of health insurance but having to find that kind of money for essential medical treatment. It's even worse if you have something ongoing.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/reddit-user-posts-550...

Some people in this country do claim what they can and run away from what they owe because they think the world owes them a living. A lot do genuinely try to do the right thing and work hard but still struggle. Not everyone has the same educational opportunities and encouragement and help in applying for jobs. Getting on in life can often just be about having a confident, or even brash, attitude and a good line in bullst. It's easy to stand in judgment of people when you've done all right for yourself but being better off doesn't necessarily just mean you're trying harder than other people.

[NRS]

gizlaroc said:

Devil2575 said:

Let's not forget that a great many people fall through the cracks in countries without a welfare system. It isn't just a case of whether you work hard as to an individuals ability to lift themselves out of poverty. An awful lot of it is down to luck and the circumstances to which you are born into.

bks.

Just most of us can't be arsed to really push ourselves.

It is just easier to drift along in life.

bks yourself. You're born in Malawi in a slum having to look after your brothers and sisters because your parents died of AIDS. Please explain how you'd get yourself out of poverty there?

[gizlaroc]

NRS said:

bks yourself. You're born in Malawi in a slum having to look after your brothers and sisters because your parents died of AIDS. Please explain how you'd get yourself out of poverty there?

I am going to have to eat humble pie here. I thought he said in countries with a Welfare system, not without, and I know that there also cases where people can't, but in the context of the thread I was replying, and that was wrong.

[NRS]

gizlaroc said:

I am going to have to eat humble pie here. I thought he said in countries with a Welfare system, not without, and I know that there also cases where people can't, but in the context of the thread I was replying, and that was wrong.

No problem, I had to have some a few days ago. Hope I left enough for you,

[jsc15]

anyway, back to the dumb bint at the Herald, has anyone had any new and/or satisfactory reply from IPSO/Herald/Newsquest etc yet?

[Blakewater]

jsc15 said:

anyway, back to the dumb bint at the Herald, has anyone had any new and/or satisfactory reply from IPSO/Herald/Newsquest etc yet?

She's still combating sexism by sneering at middle aged lawyers for being "Old men." Everybody knows the best way to stave of one form of discrimination is with another.

[Ali_T]

Blakewater said:

jsc15 said:

anyway, back to the dumb bint at the Herald, has anyone had any new and/or satisfactory reply from IPSO/Herald/Newsquest etc yet?

She's still combating sexism by sneering at middle aged lawyers for being "Old men." Everybody knows the best way to stave of one form of discrimination is with another.

I got an email back ftom IPSO but it appears inciting criminal acts isn't covered by the Editor's Code. I pointed out the sheer insanity of this. Ms. Stewart has banned me from Twitter for linking to the article on the Aston driver helping the vandal in court and I've told the Herald Editor I think he's an immature, spineless coward. Fun week!

[Funk]

MK1RS Bruce said:

Blakewater said:

A guy I know got paid a fortune spending twelve months away welding on oil rigs. If you're prepared to make sacrifices, there's money to be made.

Yeah you hit the nail on the head, I spent 14 out 16 weeks offshore this summer but was making a fortune, I don't have a wife or kids so for now I am prepared to sacrifice my time at home in the pursuit of a better standard of life / more expendable income, however when my situation changes, I will also change what I am willing to sacrifice. Make Hay While The Sun Shines

Knowing what I know now, if I could go back and do-over I'd go into O&G. I fell into IT instead which isn't a bad alternative but the variety and earnings potential of O&G seems pretty good (or was until this slump!).

[superlightr]

Funk said:

MK1RS Bruce said:

Blakewater said:

A guy I know got paid a fortune spending twelve months away welding on oil rigs. If you're prepared to make sacrifices, there's money to be made.

Yeah you hit the nail on the head, I spent 14 out 16 weeks offshore this summer but was making a fortune, I don't have a wife or kids so for now I am prepared to sacrifice my time at home in the pursuit of a better standard of life / more expendable income, however when my situation changes, I will also change what I am willing to sacrifice. Make Hay While The Sun Shines

Knowing what I know now, if I could go back and do-over I'd go into O&G. I fell into IT instead which isn't a bad alternative but the variety and earnings potential of O&G seems pretty good (or was until this slump!).

letting agencies thats where its at and has been for the last 30 years growing.

[gowmonster]

I emailed them on the day of the article and got an email on monday which was generic liking to other articles which balance the papers view.

They are essentially stirring it so they get content for their letters page. I'ld put 50p on them having the response email written prior to the article being published.

it's almost daily mailish