VW in trouble over alleged US emission test manipulations
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The sheer arrogance of VW is astounding. They lie and produce unreliable crap engineering for premium prices.Their board members receive mega pay deals despite the recent scandals. Now they partner up with an oil company to block others progress. What a bunch of Cowboys. I hope VAG get buried when the European round of litigation gets under way.
k-ink said:
The sheer arrogance of VW is astounding. They lie and produce unreliable crap engineering for premium prices.Their board members receive mega pay deals despite the recent scandals. Now they partner up with an oil company to block others progress. What a bunch of Cowboys. I hope VAG get buried when the European round of litigation gets under way.
That's not going to happen. They provide too many jobs - the German government needs them and what the German government needs, the EU decides it also needs. 
k-ink said:
The sheer arrogance of VW is astounding. They lie and produce unreliable crap engineering for premium prices.Their board members receive mega pay deals despite the recent scandals. Now they partner up with an oil company to block others progress. What a bunch of Cowboys. I hope VAG get buried when the European round of litigation gets under way.
We can only hope 
What supprises me is that so many people on PH seem to forget the strength of the Oil and automotive lobbies and instread tell us how it's the lefties, the environmentalists and the corrupt scientists who are the really powerful ones. Yes it's the people who don't have lots of money that are really pulling the strings, whereas those that do are powerless to do anything about it
Edited by Devil2575 on Friday 29th April 10:14
Oilchange said:
400,000 pre orders for the new Tesla, that's promising.
I suspect if VAG had its way Tesla would be driven into bankruptcy like the Oil producers are trying to do to the shale prospectors...
Tesla are bankrupt, at least without mega-borrowing.I suspect if VAG had its way Tesla would be driven into bankruptcy like the Oil producers are trying to do to the shale prospectors...
Anyone who thinks that Tesla is 'green' is f
king deluded!Musk took a green concept, luxury-ised out of the park and is building something that will save no planet. Especially given the strip-mining it takes to make the batteries and electronics.
Electric cars were envisioned as little eco-boxes, not high performance luxury barge-sized limos.
Oh I'm not defending the whole battery mining stuff, dreadfully un-green but 400,000 pre orders might turn the company right round, no?
I am just looking at it from the perspective of an oil burning vehicle producer that is in league with an oil giant. It's all business to them. Reminds me of Brandsons Virgin Airways and BA back in the day...
I am just looking at it from the perspective of an oil burning vehicle producer that is in league with an oil giant. It's all business to them. Reminds me of Brandsons Virgin Airways and BA back in the day...
I don't think VW dealers are any better nor worse than other franchised dealers - it has more to do with the dealer group they belong to or the individual dealership.
Mine is near perfect. I shopped around on a Tiguan lease and then called them. Can you match the cheapest price ? Yes. Ok email the paperwork. 15 minutes later, car ordered.
Picked it up 2 weeks later, took 5 mn as I had asked them to chuck the keys and to leave me alone. Never heard from them since then (xmas). Don't see where the problem is.
Mine is near perfect. I shopped around on a Tiguan lease and then called them. Can you match the cheapest price ? Yes. Ok email the paperwork. 15 minutes later, car ordered.
Picked it up 2 weeks later, took 5 mn as I had asked them to chuck the keys and to leave me alone. Never heard from them since then (xmas). Don't see where the problem is.
Personally of the opinion that due to the Germans ultra reliance of diesel in the marketplace, nothing will happen with diesel pollution legislation until the German manufacturers have an alternative in place to take to market. Then it will get clobbered EU wide.
Cynical? Me? Never............
Cynical? Me? Never............
StescoG66 said:
Personally of the opinion that due to the Germans ultra reliance of diesel in the marketplace, nothing will happen with diesel pollution legislation until the German manufacturers have an alternative in place to take to market. Then it will get clobbered EU wide.
Cynical? Me? Never............
I've no idea how typical this is, but our guys (basically sales reps) in mainland Europe, including several in Germany, all seem to drive huge mileages. They buy their own cars and think of 100,000kms cars as being new and pay eye-watering prices for them, and then stick another 200,000kms on them over 2-3yrs. Doing that sort of thing in a petrol car is unthinkable in terms of the extra cost.Cynical? Me? Never............
jshell said:
Oilchange said:
400,000 pre orders for the new Tesla, that's promising.
I suspect if VAG had its way Tesla would be driven into bankruptcy like the Oil producers are trying to do to the shale prospectors...
Tesla are bankrupt, at least without mega-borrowing.I suspect if VAG had its way Tesla would be driven into bankruptcy like the Oil producers are trying to do to the shale prospectors...
Anyone who thinks that Tesla is 'green' is f
king deluded!Musk took a green concept, luxury-ised out of the park and is building something that will save no planet. Especially given the strip-mining it takes to make the batteries and electronics.
Electric cars were envisioned as little eco-boxes, not high performance luxury barge-sized limos.
The "luxury barges" are what paid for the R&D on the model 3 which is a small to medium family saloon car. Musk has always been aiming for a mass market cars.
k-ink said:
The sheer arrogance of VW is astounding. They lie and produce unreliable crap engineering for premium prices.Their board members receive mega pay deals despite the recent scandals. Now they partner up with an oil company to block others progress. What a bunch of Cowboys. I hope VAG get buried when the European round of litigation gets under way.
Welcome to the real world. Its not pretty I am afraid.Best get used to it.
98elise said:
jshell said:
Oilchange said:
400,000 pre orders for the new Tesla, that's promising.
I suspect if VAG had its way Tesla would be driven into bankruptcy like the Oil producers are trying to do to the shale prospectors...
Tesla are bankrupt, at least without mega-borrowing.I suspect if VAG had its way Tesla would be driven into bankruptcy like the Oil producers are trying to do to the shale prospectors...
Anyone who thinks that Tesla is 'green' is f
king deluded!Musk took a green concept, luxury-ised out of the park and is building something that will save no planet. Especially given the strip-mining it takes to make the batteries and electronics.
Electric cars were envisioned as little eco-boxes, not high performance luxury barge-sized limos.
The "luxury barges" are what paid for the R&D on the model 3 which is a small to medium family saloon car. Musk has always been aiming for a mass market cars.
If Teslas were 'green' then that guy wouldn't have had to pay $11,000 for emissions fines in Singapore!
mollytherocker said:
k-ink said:
The sheer arrogance of VW is astounding. They lie and produce unreliable crap engineering for premium prices.Their board members receive mega pay deals despite the recent scandals. Now they partner up with an oil company to block others progress. What a bunch of Cowboys. I hope VAG get buried when the European round of litigation gets under way.
Welcome to the real world. Its not pretty I am afraid.Best get used to it.
That phrase from The Simpsons, "Excellent, Smithers," comes to mind.
Sheepshanks said:
k-ink said:
PositronicRay said:
The board announced yesterday that the US compensation wouldn't be rolled out for EU.
I am sure VW wont be offering hand outs. k-ink said:
VW never handed anything out in the US either. They were FORCED to. As they might be in Europe, if mass tort litigators get involved. The president is set. Thousands of people are unhappy. There is money to be made / extracted.
Obama will be receiving compensation from VW as well?Edited by Seek on Saturday 30th April 10:18
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