VW in trouble over alleged US emission test manipulations
Discussion
Pan Pan Pan said:
I drive on UK roads and in both petrol and diesel cars, and I don't feel any problems with either of them in the slightest, and certainly not enough to come on here having a go at the type of fuel other people / vehicles use. They ALL pollute, some more than others. (don't forget just about everything we eat and use was delivered by diesel, so most if not all of us, even non motorists are going to feel the hit if it is banned)
Some people are so short sighted they couldn't find their a*se with a map.
Of course it does not matter what the subject matter of a post is, there will always be some who put up an opposing view, and in this case a knee jerk view.
A lot of the knee jerkers must have been hopping around in dire frustration just waiting for something adverse about diesel to pop up. so they could air their views on that type of fuel. When diesel fuel is proven to be the sole cause of deaths related to air quality, particularly in cities, come back and a proper debate on the subject can be entered into then. Until then, it is simply a set of knee jerkers coming out of the wood work
Quite right. Unless it is the only cause, let's ignore it. Like we should ignore hand guns until they are the only cause of death.Some people are so short sighted they couldn't find their a*se with a map.
Of course it does not matter what the subject matter of a post is, there will always be some who put up an opposing view, and in this case a knee jerk view.
A lot of the knee jerkers must have been hopping around in dire frustration just waiting for something adverse about diesel to pop up. so they could air their views on that type of fuel. When diesel fuel is proven to be the sole cause of deaths related to air quality, particularly in cities, come back and a proper debate on the subject can be entered into then. Until then, it is simply a set of knee jerkers coming out of the wood work
Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Friday 2nd October 16:05
Vaud said:
Adrian E said:
Press release of interest to those with diesels worrying about taxation
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-conf...
Nice simple statement. Good.https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-conf...
t if they cheated on NEDC.Current stock at 92.36, down by over 4% today.
ORD said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
I drive on UK roads and in both petrol and diesel cars, and I don't feel any problems with either of them in the slightest, and certainly not enough to come on here having a go at the type of fuel other people / vehicles use. They ALL pollute, some more than others. (don't forget just about everything we eat and use was delivered by diesel, so most if not all of us, even non motorists are going to feel the hit if it is banned)
Some people are so short sighted they couldn't find their a*se with a map.
Of course it does not matter what the subject matter of a post is, there will always be some who put up an opposing view, and in this case a knee jerk view.
A lot of the knee jerkers must have been hopping around in dire frustration just waiting for something adverse about diesel to pop up. so they could air their views on that type of fuel. When diesel fuel is proven to be the sole cause of deaths related to air quality, particularly in cities, come back and a proper debate on the subject can be entered into then. Until then, it is simply a set of knee jerkers coming out of the wood work
Quite right. Unless it is the only cause, let's ignore it. Like we should ignore hand guns until they are the only cause of death.Some people are so short sighted they couldn't find their a*se with a map.
Of course it does not matter what the subject matter of a post is, there will always be some who put up an opposing view, and in this case a knee jerk view.
A lot of the knee jerkers must have been hopping around in dire frustration just waiting for something adverse about diesel to pop up. so they could air their views on that type of fuel. When diesel fuel is proven to be the sole cause of deaths related to air quality, particularly in cities, come back and a proper debate on the subject can be entered into then. Until then, it is simply a set of knee jerkers coming out of the wood work
Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Friday 2nd October 16:05
I have nothing against diesel as a fuel, diesel cars, diesel drivers etc. The problem is all the s
t that comes out of the exhaust.http://www.audi.de/de/brand/de/neuwagen/layer/serv...
"Here you can check with entering the VIN number to see if your Audi is concerned. If the code 23Q4 - service measure diesel exhaust EA189 are shown, you will be contacted by the AUDI AG or your Audi partner as soon as the technical solution is available. "
Stick your Audi VIN in ze german box and see if you are affected.
"Here you can check with entering the VIN number to see if your Audi is concerned. If the code 23Q4 - service measure diesel exhaust EA189 are shown, you will be contacted by the AUDI AG or your Audi partner as soon as the technical solution is available. "
Stick your Audi VIN in ze german box and see if you are affected.
Adrian E said:
Press release of interest to those with diesels worrying about taxation
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-conf...
I wonder how long this will last....https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-conf...
MarshPhantom said:
ORD said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
I drive on UK roads and in both petrol and diesel cars, and I don't feel any problems with either of them in the slightest, and certainly not enough to come on here having a go at the type of fuel other people / vehicles use. They ALL pollute, some more than others. (don't forget just about everything we eat and use was delivered by diesel, so most if not all of us, even non motorists are going to feel the hit if it is banned)
Some people are so short sighted they couldn't find their a*se with a map.
Of course it does not matter what the subject matter of a post is, there will always be some who put up an opposing view, and in this case a knee jerk view.
A lot of the knee jerkers must have been hopping around in dire frustration just waiting for something adverse about diesel to pop up. so they could air their views on that type of fuel. When diesel fuel is proven to be the sole cause of deaths related to air quality, particularly in cities, come back and a proper debate on the subject can be entered into then. Until then, it is simply a set of knee jerkers coming out of the wood work
Quite right. Unless it is the only cause, let's ignore it. Like we should ignore hand guns until they are the only cause of death.Some people are so short sighted they couldn't find their a*se with a map.
Of course it does not matter what the subject matter of a post is, there will always be some who put up an opposing view, and in this case a knee jerk view.
A lot of the knee jerkers must have been hopping around in dire frustration just waiting for something adverse about diesel to pop up. so they could air their views on that type of fuel. When diesel fuel is proven to be the sole cause of deaths related to air quality, particularly in cities, come back and a proper debate on the subject can be entered into then. Until then, it is simply a set of knee jerkers coming out of the wood work
Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Friday 2nd October 16:05
I have nothing against diesel as a fuel, diesel cars, diesel drivers etc. The problem is all the s
t that comes out of the exhaust.Diesel exhaust is no worse than petrol, it is different, but petrol emits far more other nasty carcinogens and makes them breathable. All modern cars are exceptionally clean, even the rigged diesel ones.
The idea of stinky diesels is just a lie, they just aren't like that these days, if you smell burning oil, it's most likely a petrol car. As I've said, I live on a main road a lot of the time, car pollution simply is not an issue.
Low emission zones don't work (proven all over the world) because car exhausts have such a small affect on air quality, although that doesn't stop the people that introduce them trying to spin them as a success, and every other zealot wanting them imposed, just like with 20mph zones - they ignore the facts and carry on.
The anti-diesel research comes from exactly the same school of partisan hogwash as the dangerous man-made climate change industry, overinflated statements of risk, no balance, no correlation, no causality, speculative numbers made up out of thin air. The climate change industry issued a diktat a short while ago to shift the narrative from melting ice caps and dwindling polar bears (because the ice and bears were refusing to obey the models) to killing your neighbours' children with your dastardly use of fossil fuels - because they thought the emotional impact would be more effective for their cause. And that is when all this demonizing diesel nonsense started. It's just a step on the road to banning petrol cars too. We are already hearing cries for a diesel for ev/hybrid scrap scheme.
Having said that, they mostly don't even claim that diesel exhaust kills people, they say it causes excess deaths - what they mean is people that are seriously ill may have died a few weeks early.
If you understood the facts/issues, you would realise the air quality that does most harm to a child is inside his/her own home, but don't let the truth get in the way of your irrational hatred, and your willingness to be a dumb pawn for the ecomentalists' master plan to control all our lives/money/resources.
St John Smythe said:
Adrian E said:
Press release of interest to those with diesels worrying about taxation
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-conf...
I wonder how long this will last....https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-conf...
The actual statement will hold good. It's the G'vment. They've spoken.
But around the periphery, maybe notsomuch.
The tax-take, to the G'vment, needs to be conserved, or something else has to give... Not happening.
...and then VW lands on their desks.
Rule book re-write.
I love this s
t.Mr GrimNasty said:
MarshPhantom said:
ORD said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
I drive on UK roads and in both petrol and diesel cars, and I don't feel any problems with either of them in the slightest, and certainly not enough to come on here having a go at the type of fuel other people / vehicles use. They ALL pollute, some more than others. (don't forget just about everything we eat and use was delivered by diesel, so most if not all of us, even non motorists are going to feel the hit if it is banned)
Some people are so short sighted they couldn't find their a*se with a map.
Of course it does not matter what the subject matter of a post is, there will always be some who put up an opposing view, and in this case a knee jerk view.
A lot of the knee jerkers must have been hopping around in dire frustration just waiting for something adverse about diesel to pop up. so they could air their views on that type of fuel. When diesel fuel is proven to be the sole cause of deaths related to air quality, particularly in cities, come back and a proper debate on the subject can be entered into then. Until then, it is simply a set of knee jerkers coming out of the wood work
Quite right. Unless it is the only cause, let's ignore it. Like we should ignore hand guns until they are the only cause of death.Some people are so short sighted they couldn't find their a*se with a map.
Of course it does not matter what the subject matter of a post is, there will always be some who put up an opposing view, and in this case a knee jerk view.
A lot of the knee jerkers must have been hopping around in dire frustration just waiting for something adverse about diesel to pop up. so they could air their views on that type of fuel. When diesel fuel is proven to be the sole cause of deaths related to air quality, particularly in cities, come back and a proper debate on the subject can be entered into then. Until then, it is simply a set of knee jerkers coming out of the wood work
Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Friday 2nd October 16:05
I have nothing against diesel as a fuel, diesel cars, diesel drivers etc. The problem is all the s
t that comes out of the exhaust.Diesel exhaust is no worse than petrol, it is different, but petrol emits far more other nasty carcinogens and makes them breathable. All modern cars are exceptionally clean, even the rigged diesel ones.
The idea of stinky diesels is just a lie, they just aren't like that these days, if you smell burning oil, it's most likely a petrol car. As I've said, I live on a main road a lot of the time, car pollution simply is not an issue.
Low emission zones don't work (proven all over the world) because car exhausts have such a small affect on air quality, although that doesn't stop the people that introduce them trying to spin them as a success, and every other zealot wanting them imposed, just like with 20mph zones - they ignore the facts and carry on.
The anti-diesel research comes from exactly the same school of partisan hogwash as the dangerous man-made climate change industry, overinflated statements of risk, no balance, no correlation, no causality, speculative numbers made up out of thin air. The climate change industry issued a diktat a short while ago to shift the narrative from melting ice caps and dwindling polar bears (because the ice and bears were refusing to obey the models) to killing your neighbours' children with your dastardly use of fossil fuels - because they thought the emotional impact would be more effective for their cause. And that is when all this demonizing diesel nonsense started. It's just a step on the road to banning petrol cars too. We are already hearing cries for a diesel for ev/hybrid scrap scheme.
Having said that, they mostly don't even claim that diesel exhaust kills people, they say it causes excess deaths - what they mean is people that are seriously ill may have died a few weeks early.
If you understood the facts/issues, you would realise the air quality that does most harm to a child is inside his/her own home, but don't let the truth get in the way of your irrational hatred, and your willingness to be a dumb pawn for the ecomentalists' master plan to control all our lives/money/resources.
St John Smythe said:
Mr GrimNasty said:
MarshPhantom said:
ORD said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
I drive on UK roads and in both petrol and diesel cars, and I don't feel any problems with either of them in the slightest, and certainly not enough to come on here having a go at the type of fuel other people / vehicles use. They ALL pollute, some more than others. (don't forget just about everything we eat and use was delivered by diesel, so most if not all of us, even non motorists are going to feel the hit if it is banned)
Some people are so short sighted they couldn't find their a*se with a map.
Of course it does not matter what the subject matter of a post is, there will always be some who put up an opposing view, and in this case a knee jerk view.
A lot of the knee jerkers must have been hopping around in dire frustration just waiting for something adverse about diesel to pop up. so they could air their views on that type of fuel. When diesel fuel is proven to be the sole cause of deaths related to air quality, particularly in cities, come back and a proper debate on the subject can be entered into then. Until then, it is simply a set of knee jerkers coming out of the wood work
Quite right. Unless it is the only cause, let's ignore it. Like we should ignore hand guns until they are the only cause of death.Some people are so short sighted they couldn't find their a*se with a map.
Of course it does not matter what the subject matter of a post is, there will always be some who put up an opposing view, and in this case a knee jerk view.
A lot of the knee jerkers must have been hopping around in dire frustration just waiting for something adverse about diesel to pop up. so they could air their views on that type of fuel. When diesel fuel is proven to be the sole cause of deaths related to air quality, particularly in cities, come back and a proper debate on the subject can be entered into then. Until then, it is simply a set of knee jerkers coming out of the wood work
Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Friday 2nd October 16:05
I have nothing against diesel as a fuel, diesel cars, diesel drivers etc. The problem is all the s
t that comes out of the exhaust.Diesel exhaust is no worse than petrol, it is different, but petrol emits far more other nasty carcinogens and makes them breathable. All modern cars are exceptionally clean, even the rigged diesel ones.
The idea of stinky diesels is just a lie, they just aren't like that these days, if you smell burning oil, it's most likely a petrol car. As I've said, I live on a main road a lot of the time, car pollution simply is not an issue.
Low emission zones don't work (proven all over the world) because car exhausts have such a small affect on air quality, although that doesn't stop the people that introduce them trying to spin them as a success, and every other zealot wanting them imposed, just like with 20mph zones - they ignore the facts and carry on.
The anti-diesel research comes from exactly the same school of partisan hogwash as the dangerous man-made climate change industry, overinflated statements of risk, no balance, no correlation, no causality, speculative numbers made up out of thin air. The climate change industry issued a diktat a short while ago to shift the narrative from melting ice caps and dwindling polar bears (because the ice and bears were refusing to obey the models) to killing your neighbours' children with your dastardly use of fossil fuels - because they thought the emotional impact would be more effective for their cause. And that is when all this demonizing diesel nonsense started. It's just a step on the road to banning petrol cars too. We are already hearing cries for a diesel for ev/hybrid scrap scheme.
Having said that, they mostly don't even claim that diesel exhaust kills people, they say it causes excess deaths - what they mean is people that are seriously ill may have died a few weeks early.
If you understood the facts/issues, you would realise the air quality that does most harm to a child is inside his/her own home, but don't let the truth get in the way of your irrational hatred, and your willingness to be a dumb pawn for the ecomentalists' master plan to control all our lives/money/resources.
I don't care whether a car uses petrol or diesel, as I have both, so I don't try to make out one is much if any worse than another.
If as you say people are turning against diesel, then why bleat on about it, Give it a while and if what you say is true, they will all be gone (only they won`t really because most commercial vehicles are diesel. and they are diesel for reasons that have been in place for decades, not just since VW have been caught for cheating on `some' of their vehicles.
So, diesel fumes are bad, okay I dont disagree. All fumes are, in some way, bad.
But I do disagree when the same people are running electric cars powered by heavy fuel oil they burn in power stations. Feck me, if diesel fumes are bad, the stuff which comes off the heavy distillates must be terrible. And yet they seem to assume the moral high ground?
Its all a load of bks, and the 'anti diesel' element on here are a strangely sad and deluded bunch.
But I do disagree when the same people are running electric cars powered by heavy fuel oil they burn in power stations. Feck me, if diesel fumes are bad, the stuff which comes off the heavy distillates must be terrible. And yet they seem to assume the moral high ground?
Its all a load of b
ks, and the 'anti diesel' element on here are a strangely sad and deluded bunch. Mr GrimNasty said:
Your problem is that you don't understand the science, and you have no sense of proportion, you're just believing/repeating propaganda factoids.
Diesel exhaust is no worse than petrol, it is different, but petrol emits far more other nasty carcinogens and makes them breathable. All modern cars are exceptionally clean, even the rigged diesel ones.
The idea of stinky diesels is just a lie, they just aren't like that these days, if you smell burning oil, it's most likely a petrol car. As I've said, I live on a main road a lot of the time, car pollution simply is not an issue.
Low emission zones don't work (proven all over the world) because car exhausts have such a small affect on air quality, although that doesn't stop the people that introduce them trying to spin them as a success, and every other zealot wanting them imposed, just like with 20mph zones - they ignore the facts and carry on.
The anti-diesel research comes from exactly the same school of partisan hogwash as the dangerous man-made climate change industry, overinflated statements of risk, no balance, no correlation, no causality, speculative numbers made up out of thin air. The climate change industry issued a diktat a short while ago to shift the narrative from melting ice caps and dwindling polar bears (because the ice and bears were refusing to obey the models) to killing your neighbours' children with your dastardly use of fossil fuels - because they thought the emotional impact would be more effective for their cause. And that is when all this demonizing diesel nonsense started. It's just a step on the road to banning petrol cars too. We are already hearing cries for a diesel for ev/hybrid scrap scheme.
Having said that, they mostly don't even claim that diesel exhaust kills people, they say it causes excess deaths - what they mean is people that are seriously ill may have died a few weeks early.
If you understood the facts/issues, you would realise the air quality that does most harm to a child is inside his/her own home, but don't let the truth get in the way of your irrational hatred, and your willingness to be a dumb pawn for the ecomentalists' master plan to control all our lives/money/resources.
Your hat is working just fine!Diesel exhaust is no worse than petrol, it is different, but petrol emits far more other nasty carcinogens and makes them breathable. All modern cars are exceptionally clean, even the rigged diesel ones.
The idea of stinky diesels is just a lie, they just aren't like that these days, if you smell burning oil, it's most likely a petrol car. As I've said, I live on a main road a lot of the time, car pollution simply is not an issue.
Low emission zones don't work (proven all over the world) because car exhausts have such a small affect on air quality, although that doesn't stop the people that introduce them trying to spin them as a success, and every other zealot wanting them imposed, just like with 20mph zones - they ignore the facts and carry on.
The anti-diesel research comes from exactly the same school of partisan hogwash as the dangerous man-made climate change industry, overinflated statements of risk, no balance, no correlation, no causality, speculative numbers made up out of thin air. The climate change industry issued a diktat a short while ago to shift the narrative from melting ice caps and dwindling polar bears (because the ice and bears were refusing to obey the models) to killing your neighbours' children with your dastardly use of fossil fuels - because they thought the emotional impact would be more effective for their cause. And that is when all this demonizing diesel nonsense started. It's just a step on the road to banning petrol cars too. We are already hearing cries for a diesel for ev/hybrid scrap scheme.
Having said that, they mostly don't even claim that diesel exhaust kills people, they say it causes excess deaths - what they mean is people that are seriously ill may have died a few weeks early.
If you understood the facts/issues, you would realise the air quality that does most harm to a child is inside his/her own home, but don't let the truth get in the way of your irrational hatred, and your willingness to be a dumb pawn for the ecomentalists' master plan to control all our lives/money/resources.
Somebody tested how much power the cars lose in the "test mode": around 10%
http://www.tflcar.com/2015/10/how-much-power-does-...
http://www.tflcar.com/2015/10/how-much-power-does-...
Mr GrimNasty said:
MarshPhantom said:
ORD said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
I drive on UK roads and in both petrol and diesel cars, and I don't feel any problems with either of them in the slightest, and certainly not enough to come on here having a go at the type of fuel other people / vehicles use. They ALL pollute, some more than others. (don't forget just about everything we eat and use was delivered by diesel, so most if not all of us, even non motorists are going to feel the hit if it is banned)
Some people are so short sighted they couldn't find their a*se with a map.
Of course it does not matter what the subject matter of a post is, there will always be some who put up an opposing view, and in this case a knee jerk view.
A lot of the knee jerkers must have been hopping around in dire frustration just waiting for something adverse about diesel to pop up. so they could air their views on that type of fuel. When diesel fuel is proven to be the sole cause of deaths related to air quality, particularly in cities, come back and a proper debate on the subject can be entered into then. Until then, it is simply a set of knee jerkers coming out of the wood work
Quite right. Unless it is the only cause, let's ignore it. Like we should ignore hand guns until they are the only cause of death.Some people are so short sighted they couldn't find their a*se with a map.
Of course it does not matter what the subject matter of a post is, there will always be some who put up an opposing view, and in this case a knee jerk view.
A lot of the knee jerkers must have been hopping around in dire frustration just waiting for something adverse about diesel to pop up. so they could air their views on that type of fuel. When diesel fuel is proven to be the sole cause of deaths related to air quality, particularly in cities, come back and a proper debate on the subject can be entered into then. Until then, it is simply a set of knee jerkers coming out of the wood work
Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Friday 2nd October 16:05
I have nothing against diesel as a fuel, diesel cars, diesel drivers etc. The problem is all the s
t that comes out of the exhaust.Diesel exhaust is no worse than petrol, it is different, but petrol emits far more other nasty carcinogens and makes them breathable. All modern cars are exceptionally clean, even the rigged diesel ones.
The idea of stinky diesels is just a lie, they just aren't like that these days, if you smell burning oil, it's most likely a petrol car. As I've said, I live on a main road a lot of the time, car pollution simply is not an issue.
Low emission zones don't work (proven all over the world) because car exhausts have such a small affect on air quality, although that doesn't stop the people that introduce them trying to spin them as a success, and every other zealot wanting them imposed, just like with 20mph zones - they ignore the facts and carry on.
The anti-diesel research comes from exactly the same school of partisan hogwash as the dangerous man-made climate change industry, overinflated statements of risk, no balance, no correlation, no causality, speculative numbers made up out of thin air. The climate change industry issued a diktat a short while ago to shift the narrative from melting ice caps and dwindling polar bears (because the ice and bears were refusing to obey the models) to killing your neighbours' children with your dastardly use of fossil fuels - because they thought the emotional impact would be more effective for their cause. And that is when all this demonizing diesel nonsense started. It's just a step on the road to banning petrol cars too. We are already hearing cries for a diesel for ev/hybrid scrap scheme.
Having said that, they mostly don't even claim that diesel exhaust kills people, they say it causes excess deaths - what they mean is people that are seriously ill may have died a few weeks early.
If you understood the facts/issues, you would realise the air quality that does most harm to a child is inside his/her own home, but don't let the truth get in the way of your irrational hatred, and your willingness to be a dumb pawn for the ecomentalists' master plan to control all our lives/money/resources.
ks?Did you think banning leaded fuel was a good thing?
And what does anybody have to gain from demonising diesel but not petrol?
Edited by MarshPhantom on Saturday 3rd October 07:06
Mr GrimNasty said:
Your problem is that you don't understand the science, and you have no sense of proportion, you're just believing/repeating propaganda factoids.
Diesel exhaust is no worse than petrol, it is different, but petrol emits far more other nasty carcinogens and makes them breathable. All modern cars are exceptionally clean, even the rigged diesel ones.
Have
The idea of stinky diesels is just a lie, they just aren't like that these days, if you smell burning oil, it's most likely a petrol car. As I've said, I live on a main road a lot of the time, car pollution simply is not an issue.
Low emission zones don't work (proven all over the world) because car exhausts have such a small affect on air quality, although that doesn't stop the people that introduce them trying to spin them as a success, and every other zealot wanting them imposed, just like with 20mph zones - they ignore the facts and carry on.
The anti-diesel research comes from exactly the same school of partisan hogwash as the dangerous man-made climate change industry, overinflated statements of risk, no balance, no correlation, no causality, speculative numbers made up out of thin air. The climate change industry issued a diktat a short while ago to shift the narrative from melting ice caps and dwindling polar bears (because the ice and bears were refusing to obey the models) to killing your neighbours' children with your dastardly use of fossil fuels - because they thought the emotional impact would be more effective for their cause. And that is when all this demonizing diesel nonsense started. It's just a step on the road to banning petrol cars too. We are already hearing cries for a diesel for ev/hybrid scrap scheme.
Having said that, they mostly don't even claim that diesel exhaust kills people, they say it causes excess deaths - what they mean is people that are seriously ill may have died a few weeks early.
If you understood the facts/issues, you would realise the air quality that does most harm to a child is inside his/her own home, but don't let the truth get in the way of your irrational hatred, and your willingness to be a dumb pawn for the ecomentalists' master plan to control all our lives/money/resources.
Is this a joke post?Diesel exhaust is no worse than petrol, it is different, but petrol emits far more other nasty carcinogens and makes them breathable. All modern cars are exceptionally clean, even the rigged diesel ones.
Have
The idea of stinky diesels is just a lie, they just aren't like that these days, if you smell burning oil, it's most likely a petrol car. As I've said, I live on a main road a lot of the time, car pollution simply is not an issue.
Low emission zones don't work (proven all over the world) because car exhausts have such a small affect on air quality, although that doesn't stop the people that introduce them trying to spin them as a success, and every other zealot wanting them imposed, just like with 20mph zones - they ignore the facts and carry on.
The anti-diesel research comes from exactly the same school of partisan hogwash as the dangerous man-made climate change industry, overinflated statements of risk, no balance, no correlation, no causality, speculative numbers made up out of thin air. The climate change industry issued a diktat a short while ago to shift the narrative from melting ice caps and dwindling polar bears (because the ice and bears were refusing to obey the models) to killing your neighbours' children with your dastardly use of fossil fuels - because they thought the emotional impact would be more effective for their cause. And that is when all this demonizing diesel nonsense started. It's just a step on the road to banning petrol cars too. We are already hearing cries for a diesel for ev/hybrid scrap scheme.
Having said that, they mostly don't even claim that diesel exhaust kills people, they say it causes excess deaths - what they mean is people that are seriously ill may have died a few weeks early.
If you understood the facts/issues, you would realise the air quality that does most harm to a child is inside his/her own home, but don't let the truth get in the way of your irrational hatred, and your willingness to be a dumb pawn for the ecomentalists' master plan to control all our lives/money/resources.
Can't tell if serious.
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