VW in trouble over alleged US emission test manipulations
Discussion
JonnyVTEC said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Diesel engined cars only represent about one third of all the cars on UK roads. Where do you suppose the rest of the pollution you bang on about comes from?
The point is what proportional of that is associated with either fuel type?
yet some on here have jumped up ranting about banning all diesel cars. A bit over the top for a pro motoring website wouldn't you think?
Oh I forgot planes, they burn kerosene, are we going to call for those to be banned too?
Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Saturday 3rd October 11:29
AW111 said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
No, I am saying that there seem to be some spittleflecked, naïve, idiots who seem to have developed a paranoia about diesel engined cars, who have either joined the ecof*ckwits in their quest to get rid of private cars, or are naively doing the ecof*ckwits work for them, in saying that diesel cars should be banned.
These idiots who are so short sighted, (that if they get their way and diesel engined cars do get banned) they cannot see, that once diesel engined cars are removed from the picture, the ecof*ckwits will start work on banning petrol engined cars, are these idiots going to help the ecof*ckwits in that task too?
As I have said several times before, Motoring (and those who enjoy cars, and motoring) doesn't need enemies, when it has `friends' calling for a ban on diesel cars in its midst.
Perhaps those who want diesel engined cars banned, should leave this site for good, they are certainly not Pistonheads. Perhaps they should join friends of Earth, the green party, or any other group, whose ultimate aim is to get rid of private cars regardless of what type of fuel it uses.
With the current and foreseeable future EV`s are not the answer, since in cradle to grave
emssions associated with bringing it to the point of use, electricity is the dirtiest domestic fuel available, which is why the government have imposed the highest fuel factor
on electricity, compared to all the other domestic fuels used in the UK.
Well good luck with your one man war on all who don't agree with you.These idiots who are so short sighted, (that if they get their way and diesel engined cars do get banned) they cannot see, that once diesel engined cars are removed from the picture, the ecof*ckwits will start work on banning petrol engined cars, are these idiots going to help the ecof*ckwits in that task too?
As I have said several times before, Motoring (and those who enjoy cars, and motoring) doesn't need enemies, when it has `friends' calling for a ban on diesel cars in its midst.
Perhaps those who want diesel engined cars banned, should leave this site for good, they are certainly not Pistonheads. Perhaps they should join friends of Earth, the green party, or any other group, whose ultimate aim is to get rid of private cars regardless of what type of fuel it uses.
With the current and foreseeable future EV`s are not the answer, since in cradle to grave
emssions associated with bringing it to the point of use, electricity is the dirtiest domestic fuel available, which is why the government have imposed the highest fuel factor
on electricity, compared to all the other domestic fuels used in the UK.
Maybe what motoring enthusiasts don't need is another of your spittle-flecked paranoid rants about how they are all out to get us, along with your shrill bleating about traitors in the PH ranks.
FFS get a grip.
Pan Pan Pan said:
They certainly don't need your sort who sees nothing wrong with banning a certain type of vehicle owing to vague and unprovable myths that only diesel cars cause pollution. There are none so blind as those who will not see.
Incidently several posters here have made the same point as me, so where do you get your one man war comment from? Is that as truthful as any other comments you have made?
More paranoia!Incidently several posters here have made the same point as me, so where do you get your one man war comment from? Is that as truthful as any other comments you have made?
I have not said anything about banning diesels : you are jumping to delusions again.
Keep the hat on - it suits you
Pesty said:
Well this thread turned weird.
I am quite enjoying it. The twists and turns a post can take is fascinating, but one thing is sure, that no matter `what' the subject is, there will always be some who wish to take a diametrically opposed view. It is just in the nature of PH.Pan Pan Pan said:
They certainly don't need your sort who sees nothing wrong with banning a certain type of vehicle owing to vague and unprovable myths that only diesel cars cause pollution. There are none so blind as those who will not see.
If you can you point me to anywhere on this thread were someone has said diesel cars are the only source of pollution, please do.
Mr GrimNasty said:
Your problem is that you don't understand the science, and you have no sense of proportion, you're just believing/repeating propaganda factoids.
Diesel exhaust is no worse than petrol, it is different, but petrol emits far more other nasty carcinogens and makes them breathable. All modern cars are exceptionally clean, even the rigged diesel ones.
Diesel exhaust is no worse than petrol, it is different, but petrol emits far more other nasty carcinogens and makes them breathable. All modern cars are exceptionally clean, even the rigged diesel ones.
MarshPhantom said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
They certainly don't need your sort who sees nothing wrong with banning a certain type of vehicle owing to vague and unprovable myths that only diesel cars cause pollution. There are none so blind as those who will not see.
If you can you point me to anywhere on this thread were someone has said diesel cars are the only source of pollution, please do.
The true fruitcakes on here, are the ones who think diesel cars should be banned.
Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Saturday 3rd October 12:18
Pan Pan Pan said:
Then why, as some have posted should diesel cars specifically be banned?
Because they are a greater danger to public health than the equivalent petrol engined car?Because skewed taxation has led to a huge population of the UK switching to diesel with a corresponding decline in air quality.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/calls-for-ac...
They should not be banned... but tax laws certainly need re-examined
skyrover said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Then why, as some have posted should diesel cars specifically be banned?
Because they are a greater danger to public health than the equivalent petrol engined car?Because skewed taxation has led to a huge population of the UK switching to diesel with a corresponding decline in air quality.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/calls-for-ac...
They should not be banned... but tax laws certainly need re-examined
You need to be able to quantify and prove how much diesel cars specifically are increasing the danger to public health, but you cannot, because no one can.
Are you perhaps jealous of those who `might' have benefitted from the governments taxation of vehicles mess, and VW`s f*ck up?
Remember up till a few months ago diesel was dearer than petrol. and that the swing to diesel was the government`s (at the time) fault
Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Saturday 3rd October 12:32
Pan Pan Pan said:
You need to be able to quantify and prove how much diesel cars specifically are increasing the danger to public health,
That, I think, is where you're wrong. If the government decides it wants to remove diesels from city centres it needs to "proof" of anything whatsoever. Pan Pan Pan said:
MarshPhantom said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
They certainly don't need your sort who sees nothing wrong with banning a certain type of vehicle
If you can you point me to anywhere on this thread were someone has said diesel cars are the only source of pollution, please do.The true fruitcakes on here, are the ones who think diesel cars should be banned.
skyrover said:
but tax laws certainly need re-examined
This episode has highlighted the idiotic tax laws which concentraded on CO2 and those scientific advisors which advocated that approach are now saying that not only did it make non CO2 emissions worse it didn't improve the CO2 either. You are quite right, the taxation basis needs a complete overhaul. I don't see why we don't just have a flat rate per car. Fuel duty and VAT will suffice.kambites said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
You need to be able to quantify and prove how much diesel cars specifically are increasing the danger to public health,
That, I think, is where you're wrong. If the government decides it wants to remove diesels from city centres it needs to "proof" of anything whatsoever. It will just impose a ban, whether based on fact or fiction, like the government (at the time) encouraged people to switch to diesels. which they then did.
If anyone wants to have a go about diesels, they should have a go at the government which promoted their use.
skyrover said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Then why, as some have posted should diesel cars specifically be banned?
Because they are a greater danger to public health than the equivalent petrol engined car?Because skewed taxation has led to a huge population of the UK switching to diesel with a corresponding decline in air quality.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/calls-for-ac...
They should not be banned... but tax laws certainly need re-examined
We just need to get the diesel emissions cleanup back on track that's all.
Most people having a go at diesels are having a go at the government which promoted their use.
We don't need any new rules or bans anyway, at least not with respect to cars. We just need the loop holes in the existing ones closed and then to have them enforced properly.
We don't need any new rules or bans anyway, at least not with respect to cars. We just need the loop holes in the existing ones closed and then to have them enforced properly.
Edited by kambites on Saturday 3rd October 12:50
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