VW in trouble over alleged US emission test manipulations

[EskimoArapaho]

GroundEffect said:

unpc said:

The Hypno-Toad said:

but the other two would be much more difficult to shift as both of them are full of very recent VAG group tech (especially Lambo) which the board might not be keen to fall into enemy hands.

What? You mean stuff that's on sale to the general public that any other manufacturer could buy and reverse engineer? How is life under that tin foil hat?

That's very different from being given the prints or the software...

It would best be sold with a licence for whatever VAG technology was absolutely required - perhaps for a limited term. Or even just crated parts and seconded staff. So whoever bought Lamborghini could carry on selling the current range, and then introduce completely new tech/cars.

[Shotgun Rider]

unpc said:

The Hypno-Toad said:

but the other two would be much more difficult to shift as both of them are full of very recent VAG group tech (especially Lambo) which the board might not be keen to fall into enemy hands.

What? You mean stuff that's on sale to the general public that any other manufacturer could buy and reverse engineer? How is life under that tin foil hat?

GM blocked the sale of SAAB to the Chinese for precisely this reason.

[mollytherocker]

Shotgun Rider said:

GM blocked the sale of SAAB to the Chinese for precisely this reason.

Indeed. The later Saabs were Insignias!

[The Hypno-Toad]

GroundEffect said:

unpc said:

The Hypno-Toad said:

but the other two would be much more difficult to shift as both of them are full of very recent VAG group tech (especially Lambo) which the board might not be keen to fall into enemy hands.

What? You mean stuff that's on sale to the general public that any other manufacturer could buy and reverse engineer? How is life under that tin foil hat?

That's very different from being given the prints or the software...

Thanks Groundeffect, I'm very grateful for that.

I would have posted something similar (I was thinking more along the lines of Coke giving Pepsi their secret recipe) but as someone has posted below GM refused to pass on tech to the Chinese when Saab was up for sale and I should have remembered that. I think there was a very long thread on here about it, can't recall who did all the work on it.

[mini me]

VW pretty much given up on Diesel in the U.S

http://www.wsj.com/articles/volkswagen-withdraws-r...

Edit:

Sorry wrong link.

Edited by mini me on Friday 9th October 12:47

[Vaud]

mini me said:

VW pretty much given up on Diesel in the U.S

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.1274884,0.900688...

What is the relevancy of a garage in Hitcham?

[Mr2Mike]

Vaud said:

What is the relevancy of a garage in Hitcham?

It's where the VAG upper management are currently hiding. Or possibly he posted the wrong link.

[Toaster]

Shotgun Rider said:

GM blocked the sale of SAAB to the Chinese for precisely this reason.

Not sure its as simple as that or the whole truth http://www.saabcars.com/en/news/8BDF90F9DE685ACE

[mini me]

Vaud said:

What is the relevancy of a garage in Hitcham?

Ha ha sorry wrong link. I've edited it now. Not sure what happened there.

mumble mumble....

[boxedin]

So.. VW are now going to convert EU5s to EU6s:
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/oct/09/vw...

[MrBig]

boxedin said:

So.. VW are now going to convert EU5s to EU6s:
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/oct/09/vw...

I did wonder if that would happen. Would imagine that cost will be higher than the vehicles value in a few cases.

[conkerman]

My Exeo is affected.

Who can I sue!!

I'm of the mind to tell VW to get stuffed. The car works fine, I don't want it messed about with.

[Vaud]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow0a06gsiF4

Classic (old) VW advert that must sum up the way the VW teams feel.

[mollytherocker]

conkerman said:

My Exeo is affected.

Who can I sue!!

I'm of the mind to tell VW to get stuffed. The car works fine, I don't want it messed about with.

It doesnt work fine. Its polluting way above the regs.

[conkerman]

Haha,

Anyone who drives 'off cycle' is putting out more NOx than allowed in the homologation test. That means all of us who go derv then.

Considering what the expected 'remap' will do with regards to shovel loads of EGR then I'll give it a miss thankyouverymuch.

[mollytherocker]

conkerman said:

Haha,

Anyone who drives 'off cycle' is putting out more NOx than allowed in the homologation test. That means all of us who go derv then.

Considering what the expected 'remap' will do with regards to shovel loads of EGR then I'll give it a miss thankyouverymuch.

So, to be clear, you would rather murder baby seals than lose 10bhp?

Just interested....

[conkerman]

Don't be obtuse.

Considering NOx emissions cause local air quality issues, please bring some baby seals to rural Oxfordshire and I will gladly oblige.

Overdramatic much?

[mollytherocker]

conkerman said:

Don't be obtuse.

Considering NOx emissions cause local air quality issues, please bring some baby seals to rural Oxfordshire and I will gladly oblige.

Overdramatic much?

You purposely missed my point. Care to address it?

[conkerman]

You haven't made a point, you spouted some sensationalist drivel about murdering seals.

Nighty night.

[DonkeyApple]

The Hypno-Toad said:

Ali_T said:

The Hypno-Toad said:

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/new-vw-...

“We will review all planned investments, and what isn’t absolutely vital will be cancelled or delayed. I will be completely clear: this won’t be painless.”

I would guess that pretty much confirms what I suggested a few pages back.

Bye-Bye Bugatti.

Bye-Bye Red Bull F1 deal.

Bye-Bye Audi or Porsche Le Mans teams. (possibly both.)

Bye-Bye.

I wonder if this puts either Skoda or, more likely, Seat in jeopardy? I can see them offloading Lambo and Ducati as well.

As I mentioned further back, I think they will concentrate on the core businesses, which are VW, Audi & Porsche. If they decide to get rid of Ducati, Bentley and Lambo I would guess that Ducati will probably go straight to who ever is looking after Ferrari but the other two would be much more difficult to shift as both of them are full of very recent VAG group tech (especially Lambo) which the board might not be keen to fall into enemy hands.

The two problem children are Skoda and SEAT. I can't see anybody coming forward to buy them and they might have to be the sacrificial lambs to appease the markets and the German taxpayer.

I think the relevent question is who would buy any of the VW brands?

I suspect that with Asian demand falling for luxury products as is demand in the oil nations those particular brands are over the top of their cycle. So there is much less appetite for any of them today than a few years ago.

And who would buy them anyway? Who is on their uppers and awash with cash and with strong and large credit lines on tap?

The whole lixury sector from gold butt plugs to space ships is over the peak and on the other side of the cycle.

I think the real issue facing VW is that there isn't going to be anyone who wants anything of theirs at any current valuation.

Might actually be better to spin off separate listings for the brands that the pension funds will buy into instead? But then how well is the Ferrari listing goin at the moment?