VW in trouble over alleged US emission test manipulations
Discussion
egor110 said:
Exactly.
Most people are now only saying its a issue because there's a glimpse of some compensation.
Before they purchased the car bhp wasn't a factor it was all mpg and how cheap the car tax would be all of a sudden people cant own the car if its down 10bhp .
I think you are missing the point. The cars have been mis sold. Are you saying its ok to spend £20k+ and not expect to get what was advertised?Most people are now only saying its a issue because there's a glimpse of some compensation.
Before they purchased the car bhp wasn't a factor it was all mpg and how cheap the car tax would be all of a sudden people cant own the car if its down 10bhp .
If Shell short filled your car by 10 litres of fuel at the station, would that be ok too? I mean, thats only a few quid!
mollytherocker said:
I think you are missing the point. The cars have been mis sold. Are you saying its ok to spend £20k+ and not expect to get what was advertised?
If Shell short filled your car by 10 litres of fuel at the station, would that be ok too? I mean, thats only a few quid!
Has anyone ever bought a car thinking the advertised MPG is absolute, or is it just indicative?If Shell short filled your car by 10 litres of fuel at the station, would that be ok too? I mean, thats only a few quid!
Vaud said:
mollytherocker said:
I think you are missing the point. The cars have been mis sold. Are you saying its ok to spend £20k+ and not expect to get what was advertised?
If Shell short filled your car by 10 litres of fuel at the station, would that be ok too? I mean, thats only a few quid!
Has anyone ever bought a car thinking the advertised MPG is absolute, or is it just indicative?If Shell short filled your car by 10 litres of fuel at the station, would that be ok too? I mean, thats only a few quid!
What we are talking about here is cheating, misrepresentation and down right lying. allegedly. Ahem.
And they have admitted it.
I find it extremely hard to feel sorry for people who will have a slightly less powerful nasty derv ecobox but have still driven a grossly polluting car and will never pay appropriate tax in that regard.
If people were desperate for the fix because they don't want to poison the local environment, I might feel a bit more sympathy. At the moment, it seems like a lot of whining from people who have still benefitted hugely from the NEDC and the silly fuel tax and VED policies. If I had one of these cars, my first priority would be to stop pumping out huge amounts of NO2, but that seems to be the last of anyone's worries.
If people were desperate for the fix because they don't want to poison the local environment, I might feel a bit more sympathy. At the moment, it seems like a lot of whining from people who have still benefitted hugely from the NEDC and the silly fuel tax and VED policies. If I had one of these cars, my first priority would be to stop pumping out huge amounts of NO2, but that seems to be the last of anyone's worries.
mollytherocker said:
If Shell short filled your car by 10 litres of fuel at the station, would that be ok too? I mean, thats only a few quid!
No. But if shell said "there's an issue with our fuel, so we'll drain it out and replace it", but they hadn't yet worked out whether they'd be able to replace it with exactly the same amount or 10 litres less, then I'd say it was definitely too early to demand compensation from them... And impossible to say what's fair or needed, since we wouldn't know if there was even going to be any loss to compensate for.Erm bhp/performance is a factor. I specifically paid extra to get the most powerful version of the 2.0 tdi engine and I use its potential where possible (just as I would if it were a 2.0 petrol). I would not be happy if it lost any power to torque and I'd be even unhappier if it's spread of power/torque was less than it currently has as that in my mind will affect it's drive ability.
So what if it diesel or petrol, most 2.0 turbo petrol engines aren't the last word in driving euphoria either. If the boot was on the other foot and it was the TFSI engines affected would the same question be asked? I mean who buys a 1.8 tfsi engine in an A4 for performance anyway, surely they'd be happy if it was detuned to 100 bhp. Thought not.
To answer another question - I've heard via the forum specific for my car of a guy buying refused as a trade in at a couple of BMW dealers.
So what if it diesel or petrol, most 2.0 turbo petrol engines aren't the last word in driving euphoria either. If the boot was on the other foot and it was the TFSI engines affected would the same question be asked? I mean who buys a 1.8 tfsi engine in an A4 for performance anyway, surely they'd be happy if it was detuned to 100 bhp. Thought not.
To answer another question - I've heard via the forum specific for my car of a guy buying refused as a trade in at a couple of BMW dealers.
pfnsht said:
Erm bhp/performance is a factor. I specifically paid extra to get the most powerful version of the 2.0 tdi engine and I use its potential where possible (just as I would if it were a 2.0 petrol). I would not be happy if it lost any power to torque and I'd be even unhappier if it's spread of power/torque was less than it currently has as that in my mind will affect it's drive ability.
So what if it diesel or petrol, most 2.0 turbo petrol engines aren't the last word in driving euphoria either. If the boot was on the other foot and it was the TFSI engines affected would the same question be asked? I mean who buys a 1.8 tfsi engine in an A4 for performance anyway, surely they'd be happy if it was detuned to 100 bhp. Thought not.
To answer another question - I've heard via the forum specific for my car of a guy buying refused as a trade in at a couple of BMW dealers.
I totally agree.....So what if it diesel or petrol, most 2.0 turbo petrol engines aren't the last word in driving euphoria either. If the boot was on the other foot and it was the TFSI engines affected would the same question be asked? I mean who buys a 1.8 tfsi engine in an A4 for performance anyway, surely they'd be happy if it was detuned to 100 bhp. Thought not.
To answer another question - I've heard via the forum specific for my car of a guy buying refused as a trade in at a couple of BMW dealers.
Our posh snotter performs nicely thank you very much and if a remap turns it's performance to mush i'll not be best pleased.
BTW we have 2 other petrol 3litre turbo cars.
The snotter does 20-25k a year on rural A/B roads and some motorway. 54mpg it averaged last year (my calc not OBC) It also weekly gets a deep rutted muddy lane to traverse that's just about passible in winter with 4x4 and decent tyres.
Can anyone suggest an alternative to the above that's petrol?
I bought the car because it had good economy and fairly decent performance for towing. As I have already stated if a remap fooks this up Skoda can shove it.
On a related note looks like VW are going to focus on EV and actual "clean" diesels (as clean as they can be anyway) to attempt to fix the damage to the "brand".
https://www.volkswagen-media-services.com/en/detai...
https://www.volkswagen-media-services.com/en/detai...
I've just had the letter too.
Really concerned about the impact on performance of any work they propose to do.
I bought my Seat Ibiza ST estate with the 74bhp 1.2TDI engine because its performance was adequate for a 15 mile A road commute. Adequate is the only word I can use for it, believe me, full extent of the power is needed regularly, especially if loaded up or more than two folk in the car. The power band is also already very narrow.
If a remap to resolve this is going to shave 10 or 15% off that then the output then I think the car could become extremely underpowered and potentially no longer fit for purpose.
I'm inclined to not let them do anything to it, particularly with the woeful service in the past from our local Seat dealer. Given that they insist the car is technically safe on all letters and announcements, how can they insist that I allow it to be recalled?
Really concerned about the impact on performance of any work they propose to do.
I bought my Seat Ibiza ST estate with the 74bhp 1.2TDI engine because its performance was adequate for a 15 mile A road commute. Adequate is the only word I can use for it, believe me, full extent of the power is needed regularly, especially if loaded up or more than two folk in the car. The power band is also already very narrow.
If a remap to resolve this is going to shave 10 or 15% off that then the output then I think the car could become extremely underpowered and potentially no longer fit for purpose.
I'm inclined to not let them do anything to it, particularly with the woeful service in the past from our local Seat dealer. Given that they insist the car is technically safe on all letters and announcements, how can they insist that I allow it to be recalled?
Rather than VW having to make changes to all the vehicles, why don't they just work out what the true emissions figures should be for the affected vehicles and then VW have to pay the difference in the VED that would have been collected over the average vehicle life, plus a stonking big fine, direct to the government.
Cuts out all the hassle for the vehicle owners, would not affect values, hits VW in the pocket who are at fault and gives the government a windfall.
Boltonpete said:
Rather than VW having to make changes to all the vehicles, why don't they just work out what the true emissions figures should be for the affected vehicles and then VW have to pay the difference in the VED that would have been collected over the average vehicle life, plus a stonking big fine, direct to the government.
Cuts out all the hassle for the vehicle owners, would not affect values, hits VW in the pocket who are at fault and gives the government a windfall.
Quite simply because VED is not determined by NOx emissions.Cuts out all the hassle for the vehicle owners, would not affect values, hits VW in the pocket who are at fault and gives the government a windfall.
VAG would do better to simply stop producing diesel cars. But it can't because it's gone balls deep into derv engine manufacture, like the rest of Europe. The cosy little arrangement between the big manufacturers and governments has turned out to be a catastrophic mistake for air quality in cities, but it's too late to do anything big about it now without destroying the manufacturers. I expect that the real scale of scheming will come out in a decade or so. I would be amazed if the Commission and major governments hadn't been well aware of the test cheating and had kept quiet until the U.S. blew the lid.
ORD said:
I find it extremely hard to feel sorry for people who will have a slightly less powerful nasty derv ecobox but have still driven a grossly polluting car and will never pay appropriate tax in that regard.
If people were desperate for the fix because they don't want to poison the local environment, I might feel a bit more sympathy. At the moment, it seems like a lot of whining from people who have still benefitted hugely from the NEDC and the silly fuel tax and VED policies. If I had one of these cars, my first priority would be to stop pumping out huge amounts of NO2, but that seems to be the last of anyone's worries.
Tbh I think you're coming across as a bit silly. You drive a Porsche. The stuff that comes out the back of it isn't pleasant (half an hour in a confined space would prove that).If people were desperate for the fix because they don't want to poison the local environment, I might feel a bit more sympathy. At the moment, it seems like a lot of whining from people who have still benefitted hugely from the NEDC and the silly fuel tax and VED policies. If I had one of these cars, my first priority would be to stop pumping out huge amounts of NO2, but that seems to be the last of anyone's worries.
Lecturing other people on pollution when you've deliberately chosen to drive a vehicle that pollutes, albeit in a different way, way more than you possibly need to, is simply rank hypocrisy.
Oh Dear!
"VW Says More Suspect Software In 2016 Diesels"
http://news.sky.com/story/1569527/vw-says-more-sus...
So affecting new models as well?
"VW Says More Suspect Software In 2016 Diesels"
http://news.sky.com/story/1569527/vw-says-more-sus...
So affecting new models as well?
I was in my local bodyshop repair place today in Offenbach.
The GM there reckons that VW will have to buy back all the US-sold diesels but subsquently resell them in continental Europe, flooding the second-hand market with a glut of cheap Golfs/Jettas/Passats.
I can't see this happening, myself- how many did they sell, anyway - but he was adamant that this was the most likely scenario
The GM there reckons that VW will have to buy back all the US-sold diesels but subsquently resell them in continental Europe, flooding the second-hand market with a glut of cheap Golfs/Jettas/Passats.
I can't see this happening, myself- how many did they sell, anyway - but he was adamant that this was the most likely scenario
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