VW in trouble over alleged US emission test manipulations

[anonymous-user]

Glad to see some good coming of all this. The tide is turning against diesel now and it can't come soon enough.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34731463

[hornetrider]

St John Smythe said:

Glad to see some good coming of all this. The tide is turning against diesel now and it can't come soon enough.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34731463

I fail to see how a three cylinder turbo charged 1 litre engine with a glacial 0-60 time of 11 seconds is 'good' news

[EnthusiastOwned]

Has any more come out of the woodwork about the Petrol engines?

I've read that the Cylinder on demand engines might be involved.

[NJH]

hornetrider said:

I fail to see how a three cylinder turbo charged 1 litre engine with a glacial 0-60 time of 11 seconds is 'good' news

I had one of those little cars with a new 3 cylinder engine as a loaner a while back. I tried to get some excitement up by telling myself it sounded like half an old air-cooled 6 cylinder but nah that lasted all of 5 seconds, it was just more gruff and noisy than a 4 cylinder motor would have been.

Seriously though I think your average joe really doesn't care about engine sound as its another intrusion on the drudge to work, no body roll and very sharp steering always seems to impress people though and generally newer cars are better in that regard if it means anything.

[Fastdruid]

EnthusiastOwned said:

Has any more come out of the woodwork about the Petrol engines?

I've read that the Cylinder on demand engines might be involved.

Those are the only ones affected it appears. At least so far.

Until the next VW scandal rears it's head anyway!

[anonymous-user]

NJH said:

hornetrider said:

I fail to see how a three cylinder turbo charged 1 litre engine with a glacial 0-60 time of 11 seconds is 'good' news

I had one of those little cars with a new 3 cylinder engine as a loaner a while back. I tried to get some excitement up by telling myself it sounded like half an old air-cooled 6 cylinder but nah that lasted all of 5 seconds, it was just more gruff and noisy than a 4 cylinder motor would have been.

Seriously though I think your average joe really doesn't care about engine sound as its another intrusion on the drudge to work, no body roll and very sharp steering always seems to impress people though and generally newer cars are better in that regard if it means anything.

Exactly.

[zedx19]

St John Smythe said:

Glad to see some good coming of all this. The tide is turning against diesel now and it can't come soon enough.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34731463

Has anyone actually read this article? Its absolute drivel and clearly written by someone who has no clue about ICE cars. They claim that petrols generally "operate" at 6000-7000rpm whereas diesel only "operates" at 5000-6000rpm. What bloody diesel have they been driving that will even rev to 6k???

[EnthusiastOwned]

Fastdruid said:

EnthusiastOwned said:

Has any more come out of the woodwork about the Petrol engines?

I've read that the Cylinder on demand engines might be involved.

Those are the only ones affected it appears. At least so far.

Until the next VW scandal rears it's head anyway!

What's the outcome, if any? How are they affected?

[ORD]

zedx19 said:

St John Smythe said:

Glad to see some good coming of all this. The tide is turning against diesel now and it can't come soon enough.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34731463

Has anyone actually read this article? Its absolute drivel and clearly written by someone who has no clue about ICE cars. They claim that petrols generally "operate" at 6000-7000rpm whereas diesel only "operates" at 5000-6000rpm. What bloody diesel have they been driving that will even rev to 6k???

"Our turbos for passenger vehicles have turbines that spin at 200,000-300,000 revolutions per minute (rpm), generating temperatures of up to 1,000 degrees Celsius, so the metal is literally glowing red," Mr Balis says.
By comparison petrol engines operate at just 6,000-7,000 rpm and diesel at 5,000-6,000rpm."

What does the writer mean when he says "By comparison"? He seems to think that the turbo engines are revving to 300,000 rpm (rather than just the turbo doing so).Journos dont do even the slightest bit of research or even turn on their brains.

[Fastdruid]

EnthusiastOwned said:

Fastdruid said:

EnthusiastOwned said:

Has any more come out of the woodwork about the Petrol engines?

I've read that the Cylinder on demand engines might be involved.

Those are the only ones affected it appears. At least so far.

Until the next VW scandal rears it's head anyway!

What's the outcome, if any? How are they affected?

They mixed diesel in with the oil to reduce the viscosity (and hence reduce losses) and pumped the tyres up to 3.5 bar.

I suspect the differences were small but enough to drop them into the next lowest band rather than a massive difference.
For example if they put out 121g CO2 as normal cheating just enough to lose 1g would see them drop to band C which is a significant drop in VED and worth while yet at the same time not a significant enough difference to be noticeable by the drivers.

[anonymous-user]

ORD said:

zedx19 said:

St John Smythe said:

Glad to see some good coming of all this. The tide is turning against diesel now and it can't come soon enough.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34731463

Has anyone actually read this article? Its absolute drivel and clearly written by someone who has no clue about ICE cars. They claim that petrols generally "operate" at 6000-7000rpm whereas diesel only "operates" at 5000-6000rpm. What bloody diesel have they been driving that will even rev to 6k???

"Our turbos for passenger vehicles have turbines that spin at 200,000-300,000 revolutions per minute (rpm), generating temperatures of up to 1,000 degrees Celsius, so the metal is literally glowing red," Mr Balis says.
By comparison petrol engines operate at just 6,000-7,000 rpm and diesel at 5,000-6,000rpm."

What does the writer mean when he says "By comparison"? He seems to think that the turbo engines are revving to 300,000 rpm (rather than just the turbo doing so).Journos dont do even the slightest bit of research or even turn on their brains.

Doesn't matter. Article will be read by millions and will influence some decisions. Just the way it is.

[DonkeyApple]

St John Smythe said:

NJH said:

hornetrider said:

I fail to see how a three cylinder turbo charged 1 litre engine with a glacial 0-60 time of 11 seconds is 'good' news

I had one of those little cars with a new 3 cylinder engine as a loaner a while back. I tried to get some excitement up by telling myself it sounded like half an old air-cooled 6 cylinder but nah that lasted all of 5 seconds, it was just more gruff and noisy than a 4 cylinder motor would have been.

Seriously though I think your average joe really doesn't care about engine sound as its another intrusion on the drudge to work, no body roll and very sharp steering always seems to impress people though and generally newer cars are better in that regard if it means anything.

Exactly.

Good afternoon Mr Miggins, why do you drive a diesel car?

Is it? Oh yes, well it's cheaper than the other type and doesn't murder as many kittens.

What if the Government told you that the other type was in fact cheaper and murdered less kittens?

Well, I would immediately buy one of those to save lots of money and those sweet, innocent kittens.

But it might not be as fast?

I don't understand? Does that make it cheaper or murder a kitten?

No Mr Miggins it means absolutely nothing to you and you don't have to worry your sweet little head about it dear.

[Granfondo]

DonkeyApple said:

It'll probably tell us exactly what it tells us every year which is that when you wave a shiny milk bottle top at a Brit and hold a debt contract out they will buy absolutely any old turd they can lay their childishly excited, spendaholic little hands on.

Are you inferring that this country of financial geniuses are being lead blindly towards the financial abyss?

[DonkeyApple]

Granfondo said:

DonkeyApple said:

It'll probably tell us exactly what it tells us every year which is that when you wave a shiny milk bottle top at a Brit and hold a debt contract out they will buy absolutely any old turd they can lay their childishly excited, spendaholic little hands on.

Are you inferring that this country of financial geniuses are being lead blindly towards the financial abyss?

They've been in the abyss for over a decade and no one lead them, they hurled themselves willingly for the worship of ShinyShiny.

When you got most middle class people living for the monthly pay check to meet their debt obligations, begging for State handouts and generally living like one great episode of Brookside yet deluding themselves that they have more in common with Downton Abbey then I think it's fair to say they're already fked.

[Granfondo]

DonkeyApple said:

Granfondo said:

DonkeyApple said:

It'll probably tell us exactly what it tells us every year which is that when you wave a shiny milk bottle top at a Brit and hold a debt contract out they will buy absolutely any old turd they can lay their childishly excited, spendaholic little hands on.

Are you inferring that this country of financial geniuses are being lead blindly towards the financial abyss?

They've been in the abyss for over a decade and no one lead them, they hurled themselves willingly for the worship of ShinyShiny.

When you got most middle class people living for the monthly pay check to meet their debt obligations, begging for State handouts and generally living like one great episode of Brookside yet deluding themselves that they have more in common with Downton Abbey then I think it's fair to say they're already fked.

I thought 2008/10 would have jerked even the stupidest debt monkeys into a rethink on the shinee stuff but to be honest it's just accelerated due to these stupid low interest rates!

[anonymous-user]

DonkeyApple said:

They've been in the abyss for over a decade and no one lead them, they hurled themselves willingly for the worship of ShinyShiny.

When you got most middle class people living for the monthly pay check to meet their debt obligations, begging for State handouts and generally living like one great episode of Brookside yet deluding themselves that they have more in common with Downton Abbey then I think it's fair to say they're already fked.

Hit the nail on the head with that.

[va1o]

hornetrider said:

St John Smythe said:

Glad to see some good coming of all this. The tide is turning against diesel now and it can't come soon enough.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34731463

I fail to see how a three cylinder turbo charged 1 litre engine with a glacial 0-60 time of 11 seconds is 'good' news

Its old news really, petrol engines have been having turbos strapped to them for over a decade now. In particular the below, the 2005 MKV GTI has a 2.0 Turbo Petrol with wait for it .... 200 bhp. So are they saying no progress in 10 years

[Flibble]

To be fair it's just a crap article. You can get 200 bhp out of a 2l 4-pot N/A engine and a lot more than 200 bhp out of a 2l 4-pot turbo, even without aftermarket tuning. Mercedes manage 360 bhp out of the A45 AMG lump after all.

[TA14]

va1o said:

Its old news really, petrol engines have been having turbos strapped to them for over a decade now.

Over five decades?

[QuantumTokoloshi]

TA14 said:

va1o said:

Its old news really, petrol engines have been having turbos strapped to them for over a decade now.

Over five decades?

It is almost a century now for turbos on ICE.