VW in trouble over alleged US emission test manipulations

[skyrover]

How many miles does she do and are they urban or extra urban?

I would be looking at petrol, not diesel in a small car like that.

[jshell]

skyrover said:

How many miles does she do and are they urban or extra urban?

I would be looking at petrol, not diesel in a small car like that.

Ordinarily I would, but if this emissions 'thing' causes oil-burners to be a better/chaper buy, then diesel it shall be!

[Adrian E]

jshell said:

skyrover said:

How many miles does she do and are they urban or extra urban?

I would be looking at petrol, not diesel in a small car like that.

Ordinarily I would, but if this emissions 'thing' causes oil-burners to be a better/chaper buy, then diesel it shall be!

I wouldn't make a decision just on that basis - all the modern exhaust aftertreatment on diesels requires temperature and regular long runs to keep it working. If you aren't regularly doing 50+ mile runs in it then it'll cause you a world of pain.

[jshell]

Adrian E said:

jshell said:

skyrover said:

How many miles does she do and are they urban or extra urban?

I would be looking at petrol, not diesel in a small car like that.

Ordinarily I would, but if this emissions 'thing' causes oil-burners to be a better/chaper buy, then diesel it shall be!

I wouldn't make a decision just on that basis - all the modern exhaust aftertreatment on diesels requires temperature and regular long runs to keep it working. If you aren't regularly doing 50+ mile runs in it then it'll cause you a world of pain.

Gotta be better than the Derv Cayenne that the wife is using now for going back and forward from work...

[funkyrobot]

Willhire89 said:

I'm not expecting or wanting a payout of any sort - why would I care?

The fact that certain customers are getting a payout suggests that VW are trying to fan any flames.

You should care as you are tied into a brand that could be affected in a multitude of different ways. You could see the value of your product drop, attempted fixes could affect the way your vehicle runs, the payout over the pond could affect the finances of VW meaning a knock-on to current owners etc.

Of course, we don't know what is going to happen yet, but there is the potential for things to get a little messy.

You may be the sort of person who simply shrugs their shoulders and isn't bothered. However, if you are an owner of an affected model, it may be a good idea just to keep an eye on how this progresses.

[funkyrobot]

Condi said:

I dont feel bad at all about the 'cheating' thing. Personally couldnt give a st. I like the car, it does what I want so pretty happy there.


What I am getting pissed off about is how our American friends are getting a much much better package of handouts than we are here. Why should that be? Both cars are affected by the same issue. Either compensate everyone or compensate nobody.

We can now do class action lawsuits in the UK I believe, be interesting to see if anyone holds VW to account.

You clearly do give a st.

[Sheepshanks]

jshell said:

I really don't give a stuff about the so-called cheating. However, I do fancy getting the missus a diesel Polo or A1. Are there some good deals going now??

Nothing stunning - people are still buying VAG cars in the UK. Even VW specifically, which took a bit of a hit at first, is pretty well back on track.

[jshell]

Sheepshanks said:

jshell said:

I really don't give a stuff about the so-called cheating. However, I do fancy getting the missus a diesel Polo or A1. Are there some good deals going now??

Nothing stunning - people are still buying VAG cars in the UK. Even VW specifically, which took a bit of a hit at first, is pretty well back on track.

Bugger!

[swimd]

Not just VW...

247.000 Mercedes-Benz A-Klasse, B-Klasse V-Klasse.
32.000 Porsche Macans
194.000 Volkswagen Modelle Amarok, Crafter
66.000 Audi Q5, A6, A8
90.000 Opel Zafira, Insignia, Cascada

Also affected but no numbers published: Renault, Fiat

http://www.handelsblatt.com/unternehmen/industrie/...

[Fastdruid]

swimd said:

Not just VW...

247.000 Mercedes-Benz A-Klasse, B-Klasse V-Klasse.
32.000 Porsche Macans
194.000 Volkswagen Modelle Amarok, Crafter
66.000 Audi Q5, A6, A8
90.000 Opel Zafira, Insignia, Cascada

Also affected but no numbers published: Renault, Fiat

http://www.handelsblatt.com/unternehmen/industrie/...

Hmmmm, Rather different issue there. Less about cheating and more issues with the after-treatment not working at low temps

Looks like diesel after-treatment is almost of no use in the UK.

[mollytherocker]

Sheepshanks said:

jshell said:

I really don't give a stuff about the so-called cheating. However, I do fancy getting the missus a diesel Polo or A1. Are there some good deals going now??

Nothing stunning - people are still buying VAG cars in the UK. Even VW specifically, which took a bit of a hit at first, is pretty well back on track.

Pretty conclusive proof that your average Joe doesn't give two sts!

[FiF]

Fastdruid said:

swimd said:

Not just VW...

247.000 Mercedes-Benz A-Klasse, B-Klasse V-Klasse.
32.000 Porsche Macans
194.000 Volkswagen Modelle Amarok, Crafter
66.000 Audi Q5, A6, A8
90.000 Opel Zafira, Insignia, Cascada

Also affected but no numbers published: Renault, Fiat

http://www.handelsblatt.com/unternehmen/industrie/...

Hmmmm, Rather different issue there. Less about cheating and more issues with the after-treatment not working at low temps

Looks like diesel after-treatment is almost of no use in the UK.

US Justice Department got Daimler Mercedes Benz certification procedure in the sights though.

https://global.handelsblatt.com/edition/415/ressor...

[jshell]

mollytherocker said:

Sheepshanks said:

jshell said:

I really don't give a stuff about the so-called cheating. However, I do fancy getting the missus a diesel Polo or A1. Are there some good deals going now??

Nothing stunning - people are still buying VAG cars in the UK. Even VW specifically, which took a bit of a hit at first, is pretty well back on track.

Pretty conclusive proof that your average Joe doesn't give two sts!

I used to live in a city of 14 million people where there were no MOT, emissions tests and 99% of cars ran on st fuel, never serviced and were a complete danger. So, no, I don't care if I buy a car that's a few % off the EU emissions regulations, quite frankly. It's mostly bks.

[unsprung]

Sheepshanks said:

Condi said:

What I am getting pissed off about is how our American friends are getting a much much better package of handouts than we are here. Why should that be?

What makes it even worse is the cars are 2/3 the price in the US that they are here, and can be leased at prices that make the recent Passat Alltrack glitch look expensive.

It's all wrapped up in culture and history, I reckon.

The reason why US owners are being given preferential treatment is because tort law in the US is essentially a consumer product. The consumer has redress.

Conversely, in most of the world, including in Europe, tort law has historically been limited in scope or just plain difficult to access. On the Continent, in particular, there is a predisposition for the sort of legal worldview in which blame may be assigned to no party and for which the state provides relief via taxpayer monies.

The reason why US shoppers pay less for products and services is partly a function of less tax, but mostly a result of greater competition. In Europe, product categories are more likely to be oligarchical (a limited number of choices provided by long-established brands).

Incidentally, this is why advertising in Europe tends to be about entertainment. The purpose of much EU advertising is simply to maintain top-of-mind awareness for the usual oligarchy of choices.

Meanwhile, in the US, the purpose of advertising is more often to articulate a point of competitive advantage. Brands will suffer if they merely entertain.

[skyrover]

jshell said:

mollytherocker said:

Sheepshanks said:

jshell said:

I really don't give a stuff about the so-called cheating. However, I do fancy getting the missus a diesel Polo or A1. Are there some good deals going now??

Nothing stunning - people are still buying VAG cars in the UK. Even VW specifically, which took a bit of a hit at first, is pretty well back on track.

Pretty conclusive proof that your average Joe doesn't give two sts!

I used to live in a city of 14 million people where there were no MOT, emissions tests and 99% of cars ran on st fuel, never serviced and were a complete danger. So, no, I don't care if I buy a car that's a few % off the EU emissions regulations, quite frankly. It's mostly bks.

Port Harcourt by any chance?

[jshell]

skyrover said:

jshell said:

mollytherocker said:

Sheepshanks said:

jshell said:

I really don't give a stuff about the so-called cheating. However, I do fancy getting the missus a diesel Polo or A1. Are there some good deals going now??

Nothing stunning - people are still buying VAG cars in the UK. Even VW specifically, which took a bit of a hit at first, is pretty well back on track.

Pretty conclusive proof that your average Joe doesn't give two sts!

I used to live in a city of 14 million people where there were no MOT, emissions tests and 99% of cars ran on st fuel, never serviced and were a complete danger. So, no, I don't care if I buy a car that's a few % off the EU emissions regulations, quite frankly. It's mostly bks.

Port Harcourt by any chance?

Close! Lagos...

[anonymous-user]

skyrover said:

How many miles does she do and are they urban or extra urban?

I would be looking at petrol, not diesel in a small car like that.

Yawn
Hundreds of thousands of trouble free miles in diesels. I prefer how they drive. I'm not on first name terms with the local Esso attendant. Diesel all the way here..

[talksthetorque]

Polo Gti on a lease? No depreciation worries if they find out they've been cheating on the TSIs as well....... ( apart from the fact you're paying the depreciation to VW after it has happened.
£200 pcm for 24 months 8k miles.

[Flooble]

deaglecat said:

Cos if they treat UK buyers badly they will lose brand loyalty.


I appreciate others may feel different but I think they will regret this policy.

Wonder how sales are for UK main dealers at the moment..

Don't be daft, people in the UK are so brand-obsessed that they will always buy "their" brand. If people have decided they are a VAG person they will continue to buy VAG. The average VAG dealer already treats customers like something they trod in, so it won't make a blind bit of difference.

[Condi]

funkyrobot said:

Condi said:

I dont feel bad at all about the 'cheating' thing. Personally couldnt give a st. I like the car, it does what I want so pretty happy there.


What I am getting pissed off about is how our American friends are getting a much much better package of handouts than we are here. Why should that be? Both cars are affected by the same issue. Either compensate everyone or compensate nobody.

We can now do class action lawsuits in the UK I believe, be interesting to see if anyone holds VW to account.

You clearly do give a st.

I just think 5k would go a long way to paying for my new kitchen


And to the other poster who replied about the difference between US and UK consumer culture - thankyou, very interesting.