VW in trouble over alleged US emission test manipulations
Discussion
George111 said:
The point is that they're not as good or better than others, they turn off the emissions system so they emit more NOx than many other cars. Others are bad too but that doesn't excuse VAG. The test may be unrealistic but so far only VAG (IIRC) have been found to be actively defeating their emissions control system.
The point that restarted the discussion was that people keep buying VWs.New ones don't have the defeat software and do fare well in comparison tests.
Edited by Sheepshanks on Wednesday 10th August 15:42
Sheepshanks said:
George111 said:
The point is that they're not as good or better than others, they turn off the emissions system so they emit more NOx than many other cars. Others are bad too but that doesn't excuse VAG. The test may be unrealistic but so far only VAG (IIRC) have been found to be actively defeating their emissions control system.
The point that restarted the discussion was that people keep buying VWs.New ones don't have the defeat software and do fare well in comparison tests.
Edited by Sheepshanks on Wednesday 10th August 15:42
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/09/12/vw_enginee...
So no "rogue loner" engineers. They were all in on it.
So no "rogue loner" engineers. They were all in on it.
Fastdruid said:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/09/12/vw_enginee...
So no "rogue loner" engineers. They were all in on it.
According to ONE engineer . . . I wonder how many engineers will claim to have worked there but had nothing to do with emissions calibrations ? And we're yet to hear the sound of law suit on teflon from the shoulders of the managers . . . !So no "rogue loner" engineers. They were all in on it.
I would always take posts like that with a handful of salt.
Obviously what VW was wrong, but I don't think the average consumer (the type to not get offended at anything for the sake it) doesn't really care.
Regarding whether VW are better or worse than other car manufacturers, I think all cars exceed their government tested output, there are cars which produce far more NOX than VW's but there are also cars which produce less. It is unfair to single out VW, the issue is that it was American's who discovered it and they generally hate European products, more so when it's a product which is outselling their home-brewed product.
Obviously what VW was wrong, but I don't think the average consumer (the type to not get offended at anything for the sake it) doesn't really care.
Regarding whether VW are better or worse than other car manufacturers, I think all cars exceed their government tested output, there are cars which produce far more NOX than VW's but there are also cars which produce less. It is unfair to single out VW, the issue is that it was American's who discovered it and they generally hate European products, more so when it's a product which is outselling their home-brewed product.
skyrover said:
VW was not singled out... They broke the law with a deliberately engineered cheat device.
That is not 'creative interpretation' of the law.. They violated the rules and tried to hide it
If it was GM, do you think that it would have become a world-wide news icon?That is not 'creative interpretation' of the law.. They violated the rules and tried to hide it
I speak to a few americans on a TDI tuning forum and they say that there is a very quiet but very real undertone of dislike towards non US manufacturers in the motoring industry, but more so towards diesels in General. As majority of diesel manufacturers are European or Japanese......
My point is that VW are not the only ones failing to meet NOX standards (plenty others out there) but they are the ones that seem to get put in the spotlight.
I'm not saying it's right what they've done... because it's not.
k.xjay1337 said:
If it was GM, do you think that it would have become a world-wide news icon?
I speak to a few americans on a TDI tuning forum and they say that there is a very quiet but very real undertone of dislike towards non US manufacturers in the motoring industry, but more so towards diesels in General. As majority of diesel manufacturers are European or Japanese......
My point is that VW are not the only ones failing to meet NOX standards (plenty others out there) but they are the ones that seem to get put in the spotlight.
I'm not saying it's right what they've done... because it's not.
The U.S. diesel pickup truck business is extremely strong and expanding from larger pickups to smaller ones. I speak to a few americans on a TDI tuning forum and they say that there is a very quiet but very real undertone of dislike towards non US manufacturers in the motoring industry, but more so towards diesels in General. As majority of diesel manufacturers are European or Japanese......
My point is that VW are not the only ones failing to meet NOX standards (plenty others out there) but they are the ones that seem to get put in the spotlight.
I'm not saying it's right what they've done... because it's not.
Americans don't like diesels because they had some bad experiences in the early eighties with some GM car which was unreliable and slow.
xjay1337 said:
I would always take posts like that with a handful of salt.
Obviously what VW was wrong, but I don't think the average consumer (the type to not get offended at anything for the sake it) doesn't really care.
Regarding whether VW are better or worse than other car manufacturers, I think all cars exceed their government tested output, there are cars which produce far more NOX than VW's but there are also cars which produce less. It is unfair to single out VW, the issue is that it was American's who discovered it and they generally hate European products, more so when it's a product which is outselling their home-brewed product.
+ 1 good postObviously what VW was wrong, but I don't think the average consumer (the type to not get offended at anything for the sake it) doesn't really care.
Regarding whether VW are better or worse than other car manufacturers, I think all cars exceed their government tested output, there are cars which produce far more NOX than VW's but there are also cars which produce less. It is unfair to single out VW, the issue is that it was American's who discovered it and they generally hate European products, more so when it's a product which is outselling their home-brewed product.
I get this but when this European product is undermining their domestic sales, and therefor jobs, by cheating you can see why they are coming down hard. It's pure arrogance by VW/Audi.
They thought they could get away with it.
Then they thought they could lie their way through it.
It's all going come crashing down I suspect.
They thought they could get away with it.
Then they thought they could lie their way through it.
It's all going come crashing down I suspect.
Toaster said:
xjay1337 said:
I would always take posts like that with a handful of salt.
Obviously what VW was wrong, but I don't think the average consumer (the type to not get offended at anything for the sake it) doesn't really care.
Regarding whether VW are better or worse than other car manufacturers, I think all cars exceed their government tested output, there are cars which produce far more NOX than VW's but there are also cars which produce less. It is unfair to single out VW, the issue is that it was American's who discovered it and they generally hate European products, more so when it's a product which is outselling their home-brewed product.
+ 1 good postObviously what VW was wrong, but I don't think the average consumer (the type to not get offended at anything for the sake it) doesn't really care.
Regarding whether VW are better or worse than other car manufacturers, I think all cars exceed their government tested output, there are cars which produce far more NOX than VW's but there are also cars which produce less. It is unfair to single out VW, the issue is that it was American's who discovered it and they generally hate European products, more so when it's a product which is outselling their home-brewed product.
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