VW in trouble over alleged US emission test manipulations
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va1o said:
A lot of these problems you hear about are caused by people ignoring the servicing schedule or buying a diesel for low mileage use around town.
I certainly agree that there can be extenuating circumstances.But then again, it's certainly not unreasonable for someone to buy a diesel Golf just to pootle around town in year after year.
unpc said:
There's a load of people on this thread that think this is no big deal. It's a f
king big deal and one year on, no other OEMs are implicated. All of them game the tests but no else has been found blatantly cheating them and then lying about it.
The idea that this was a rogue engineer is laughable. This st goes right to the top.
There are loads of other manufacturers. I read in Which? And it tested a variety of cars and they all performed similarly in nox tests. king big deal and one year on, no other OEMs are implicated. All of them game the tests but no else has been found blatantly cheating them and then lying about it. The idea that this was a rogue engineer is laughable. This s
t goes right to the top. xjay1337 said:
unpc said:
There's a load of people on this thread that think this is no big deal. It's a fking big deal and one year on, no other OEMs are implicated. All of them game the tests but no else has been found blatantly cheating them and then lying about it.
The idea that this was a rogue engineer is laughable. This st goes right to the top.
There are loads of other manufacturers. I read in Which? And it tested a variety of cars and they all performed similarly in nox tests. king big deal and one year on, no other OEMs are implicated. All of them game the tests but no else has been found blatantly cheating them and then lying about it. The idea that this was a rogue engineer is laughable. This s
t goes right to the top. Here is a short history... as you can see VW is not being singled out at all
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defeat_device
NinjaPower said:
va1o said:
NinjaPower said:
If you own a modern VW TDi then by about 50-60k miles you can expect to have to fix all manner of horrifically expensive things such as the DPF, a full set of injectors at £2000, dual mass flywheel, electronic handbrake, probably the DSG box and god knows what else.
Why post stuff like that? It's just absolute rubbish and not based on any facts or true in any way. Take your trolling elsewhere.
A friend has just had her 2012 1.6 TDi Golf diagnosed by VW as requiring a set of new injectors at 58k miles. The cost? Approximately £2200.
That's just one of many, many examples I have personally witnessed in the last few years.
Don't take my word for it, have a read through sites like Honest John and read all the horror stories about relatively low mileage VW's eating a sets of injectors and DSG boxes etc.
I own a 2013 Caddy van TDi with 55k on the clock and my motor trade colleagues laugh on a regular basis about the fact that it's a ticking time bomb.
I had a 1.9 Golf Mk5 TDI. My daily commute was 4 miles of town driving.
Never went wrong, owned it from 99k to 150k. Only thing that was faulty was fuel temperature sensor which was a new part (£25) - That's the only component that failed during the ownership of the car that wasn't a result of me abusing it (eg blowing the gearbox at Santa Pod).
My Scirocco also I have put about 60k miles on and not had a single failure.
The DPF was removed at about 120k and was found to be only approximately halfway through it's service lift. The car spent 90% of it's time on the motorways as a commuter between Guildford and Newbury. I have a big turbo and give the car it's fairi
To say that all diesels will cost thousands to replace at 60k is absolutely and hugely misleading statement to say.
xjay1337 said:
NinjaPower said:
va1o said:
NinjaPower said:
If you own a modern VW TDi then by about 50-60k miles you can expect to have to fix all manner of horrifically expensive things such as the DPF, a full set of injectors at £2000, dual mass flywheel, electronic handbrake, probably the DSG box and god knows what else.
Why post stuff like that? It's just absolute rubbish and not based on any facts or true in any way. Take your trolling elsewhere.
A friend has just had her 2012 1.6 TDi Golf diagnosed by VW as requiring a set of new injectors at 58k miles. The cost? Approximately £2200.
That's just one of many, many examples I have personally witnessed in the last few years.
Don't take my word for it, have a read through sites like Honest John and read all the horror stories about relatively low mileage VW's eating a sets of injectors and DSG boxes etc.
I own a 2013 Caddy van TDi with 55k on the clock and my motor trade colleagues laugh on a regular basis about the fact that it's a ticking time bomb.
I had a 1.9 Golf Mk5 TDI. My daily commute was 4 miles of town driving.
Never went wrong, owned it from 99k to 150k. Only thing that was faulty was fuel temperature sensor which was a new part (£25) - That's the only component that failed during the ownership of the car that wasn't a result of me abusing it (eg blowing the gearbox at Santa Pod).
My Scirocco also I have put about 60k miles on and not had a single failure.
The DPF was removed at about 120k and was found to be only approximately halfway through it's service lift. The car spent 90% of it's time on the motorways as a commuter between Guildford and Newbury. I have a big turbo and give the car it's fairi
To say that all diesels will cost thousands to replace at 60k is absolutely and hugely misleading statement to say.
In general VAG have a reasonably poor reputation for reliability - which is a shame as they built their reputation on reliability in the 80's . . . "If only everything in life was as reliable as a VW . . ." - they screwed that up properly !
But I doubt most people are interested these days as the market is focused on 40k miles/3 years which is probably the average PCP deal. It's only the likes of us who don't like paying the VAT and massive depreciation of a new car who are interested. I would like an A8 as my next motorway cruiser but that's not going to happen because of poor reliability and the opportunity for massive cost, so probably back to Volvo or maybe Jaguar.
NinjaPower said:
It's certainly not trolling, it's based on my personal experience and the experience of close friends and family.
A friend has just had her 2012 1.6 TDi Golf diagnosed by VW as requiring a set of new injectors at 58k miles. The cost? Approximately £2200.
That's just one of many, many examples I have personally witnessed in the last few years.
Don't take my word for it, have a read through sites like Honest John and read all the horror stories about relatively low mileage VW's eating a sets of injectors and DSG boxes etc.
I own a 2013 Caddy van TDi with 55k on the clock and my motor trade colleagues laugh on a regular basis about the fact that it's a ticking time bomb.
I did 80,000 miles in my first Skoda diesel the fabled 170 PD and then did 90,000 miles in my Skoda Superb 2.0 170 without any of the horror stories you mentioned. although I did have DPF niggles with both none required me having to put my hands in my pockets A friend has just had her 2012 1.6 TDi Golf diagnosed by VW as requiring a set of new injectors at 58k miles. The cost? Approximately £2200.
That's just one of many, many examples I have personally witnessed in the last few years.
Don't take my word for it, have a read through sites like Honest John and read all the horror stories about relatively low mileage VW's eating a sets of injectors and DSG boxes etc.
I own a 2013 Caddy van TDi with 55k on the clock and my motor trade colleagues laugh on a regular basis about the fact that it's a ticking time bomb.
skyrover said:
xjay1337 said:
unpc said:
There's a load of people on this thread that think this is no big deal. It's a fking big deal and one year on, no other OEMs are implicated. All of them game the tests but no else has been found blatantly cheating them and then lying about it.
The idea that this was a rogue engineer is laughable. This st goes right to the top.
There are loads of other manufacturers. I read in Which? And it tested a variety of cars and they all performed similarly in nox tests. king big deal and one year on, no other OEMs are implicated. All of them game the tests but no else has been found blatantly cheating them and then lying about it. The idea that this was a rogue engineer is laughable. This s
t goes right to the top. Here is a short history... as you can see VW is not being singled out at all
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defeat_device
I know, not quite the same, but we, the public are blindly happy to let them fudge things in this way.
Oilchange said:
Do you know exactly what they did?
Nope no idea probably just tweeked the software with a 'legal' version as I say it seems to drive as before Toaster said:
Doesn't seem to be the car appears to be performing as before it went in and....no I didn't use a stopwatch and I don't tow a trailer
Gary C said:
You could argue that a modern DSG or pdk box is a "cheat" as its main reason for existence is to allow its shift program to change up as fast as possible to lower emissions during the test, and it's effect is wiped out by selecting sport or manually shifting.
Same as the M button on BMWs used to cheat the CO2 emissions figure.Arguably being able to turn off stop/start is cheating the figures.
NinjaPower said:
+1
This is so true. Speaking as someone who works in the motor trade, they are just as ste as Vauxhall etc.
If you own a modern VW TDi then by about 50-60k miles you can expect to have to fix all manner of horrifically expensive things such as the DPF, a full set of injectors at £2000, dual mass flywheel, electronic handbrake, probably the DSG box and god knows what else.
I would rather have a Peugeot, and I'm not joking.
What do you in the trade? I buy around 25 cars per week (2009 - 2016 cars) and I can't honestly tell you how many PSA cars ive had to return this year because of serious faults with <just checked, its 12>. However VAG, which is around 25% of my stock with PSA counting for 18%, cars I have only returned one this year which was a 1.8TFSI A3 and the only reason I returned that was due to a dead clutch. This is so true. Speaking as someone who works in the motor trade, they are just as s
te as Vauxhall etc.If you own a modern VW TDi then by about 50-60k miles you can expect to have to fix all manner of horrifically expensive things such as the DPF, a full set of injectors at £2000, dual mass flywheel, electronic handbrake, probably the DSG box and god knows what else.
I would rather have a Peugeot, and I'm not joking.
As for the image thing. All of my customers put VW on a par with the other german marques, I don't think i've ever met anyone who thinks an Astra is the same quality as a Golf. Lets be honest, Its not is it. If you compare a Mk4 Golf to a Mk4 Astra or a New Astra to a New Golf the Golf will always come out on top.
Edited by 93DW on Saturday 17th September 17:48
Edited by 93DW on Saturday 17th September 17:48
93DW said:
As for the image thing. All of my customers put VW on a par with the other german marques, I don't think i've ever met anyone who thinks an Astra is the same quality as a Golf. Lets be honest, Its not is it. If you compare a Mk4 Golf to a Mk4 Astra or a New Astra to a New Golf the Golf will always come out on top.
You are quite right, VW is image wise comparable to Ford not Vauxhall. Both budget, small engined economy cars one up from Kia/Hyundai/Vauxhall.George111 said:
93DW said:
As for the image thing. All of my customers put VW on a par with the other german marques, I don't think i've ever met anyone who thinks an Astra is the same quality as a Golf. Lets be honest, Its not is it. If you compare a Mk4 Golf to a Mk4 Astra or a New Astra to a New Golf the Golf will always come out on top.
You are quite right, VW is image wise comparable to Ford not Vauxhall. Both budget, small engined economy cars one up from Kia/Hyundai/Vauxhall.It's not just a UK thing - when I worked for a pan-European company, our German guys couldn't understand why 3 Series was so coveted by sales reps here. In Germany Passat was considered a higher grade car.
Sheepshanks said:
George111 said:
93DW said:
As for the image thing. All of my customers put VW on a par with the other german marques, I don't think i've ever met anyone who thinks an Astra is the same quality as a Golf. Lets be honest, Its not is it. If you compare a Mk4 Golf to a Mk4 Astra or a New Astra to a New Golf the Golf will always come out on top.
You are quite right, VW is image wise comparable to Ford not Vauxhall. Both budget, small engined economy cars one up from Kia/Hyundai/Vauxhall.It's not just a UK thing - when I worked for a pan-European company, our German guys couldn't understand why 3 Series was so coveted by sales reps here. In Germany Passat was considered a higher grade car.
In the UK a Passat == Mondeo, maybe better looking but it's still basic.
mollytherocker said:
George111 said:
Just shows how different markets have different views
In the UK a Passat == Mondeo, maybe better looking but it's still basic.
Either you are playing or you are ill informed!In the UK a Passat == Mondeo, maybe better looking but it's still basic.
If you think the Passat is a serious 3-series rival have you told VAG as they think the A4 is up against the BMW
Personally, I'd have a Volvo
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