RE: Ford Focus RS: Rebirth of an icon
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jonm01 said:
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Yes, it's terrible..four wheel drive,
Brembo brakes, Recaro seats, 350 BHP and only does 0-60 in 4.4 seconds. What a rip-off!
P.S for those hard of thought I'm being flippant.
Centurion07 said:
I don't have a problem with the use of the word "rebirth"; "icon" however, is a different matter.
Obviously its marketing hype but rebirth or an Icon isn't that far off in reality, both versions of the previous focus RS have been pretty iconic, maybe not always for the right reasons but you can't deny that they certainly won't be easily forgotten.The MK1 is a pretty wild and RAW car with beautifully executed styling and the MK2 was also pretty wild but easier to live with the play off with it being the pretty loud styling
Yeah it might not be 3dr, it might be a bit more restrained style wise but its a 350BHP 4WD car which will drift and get the back end out for about 30K. What more do you really want we should just be glad that manufacturers are still making cars like this and not all nissan leafs and BMW I3s
MK1RS Bruce said:
Obviously its marketing hype but rebirth or an Icon isn't that far off in reality, both versions of the previous focus RS have been pretty iconic, maybe not always for the right reasons but you can't deny that they certainly won't be easily forgotten.
"Not easily forgotten" isn't the same as "iconic" though is it?To me, the word "iconic" should be reserved for cars with either A) a successful motorsport heritage, B) as recognisable a name/shape as Homer Simpson or C) created a huge furore when launched as witnessed with the Lotus Carlton/Sierra Cosworth.
The RS Focus, in all it's models & guises, has none of those.
Centurion07 said:
"Not easily forgotten" isn't the same as "iconic" though is it?
To me, the word "iconic" should be reserved for cars with either A) a successful motorsport heritage, ...
The RS Focus, in all it's models & guises, has none of those.
What's this then - Scotch mist?To me, the word "iconic" should be reserved for cars with either A) a successful motorsport heritage, ...
The RS Focus, in all it's models & guises, has none of those.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Focus_RS_WRC
"The RS stands for Rallye Sport and the WRC for World Rally Car, the car's FIA specification. The Focus RS WRC was in competition from 1999 to 2010, winning 44 world rallies and two manufacturers' world titles (2006 and 2007)"
Edited by Dal3D on Friday 13th November 18:10
Centurion07 said:
"Not easily forgotten" isn't the same as "iconic" though is it?
To me, the word "iconic" should be reserved for cars with either A) a successful motorsport heritage, B) as recognisable a name/shape as Homer Simpson or C) created a huge furore when launched as witnessed with the Lotus Carlton/Sierra Cosworth.
The RS Focus, in all it's models & guises, has none of those.
What planet were you on when the MK1 came out, it caused a huge furore!! To me, the word "iconic" should be reserved for cars with either A) a successful motorsport heritage, B) as recognisable a name/shape as Homer Simpson or C) created a huge furore when launched as witnessed with the Lotus Carlton/Sierra Cosworth.
The RS Focus, in all it's models & guises, has none of those.
Also the shape of both mk1 and mk2 is instantly recognisable!! I drive a MK1 and even tho it's a 11 year old focus it turns heads!! The MK2 is similar!
Motorsport pedigree well nothing has anymore!!
Dal3D said:
Yeah, because all other cars entering in motorsport to get their heritage are completely standard as the road going cars aren't they. My error.
I think we both know where a car modified for motorsport ends and a completely different car begins don't we? Just in case though....."Like all contemporary World Rally Cars, the car is heavily modified from the production version, with which it shares only the basic shape and some parts of the bodyshell. The car features four-wheel drive, rather than the front-wheel drive of the road car. The engine used in the 2007 Focus WRC is based on Ford's 2.0 Litre Duratec from other models in the Focus range as rallying rules do not permit the standard 2.5-litre engine of the Focus ST or road going RS."
So, not only 4WD instead of the production's 2WD, but not even the same engine. That is not in the spirit of "modified for motorsport" and most certainly cannot be claimed to be the "same" car, despite it's name and appearance.
The Focus RS that could be bought at a main dealer bore no relation to it's rallying counterpart and that's not just because the rally version had a rollcage & spotlights.
Edited by Centurion07 on Friday 13th November 19:26
MK1RS Bruce said:
What planet were you on when the MK1 came out, it caused a huge furore!!
Also the shape of both mk1 and mk2 is instantly recognisable!! I drive a MK1 and even tho it's a 11 year old focus it turns heads!! The MK2 is similar!
Motorsport pedigree well nothing has anymore!!
The bit in bold I would sadly have to agree with, but a huge furore surrounding the MK1? Really? In what way? Sure, it may have been well received, but I don't think it caused any great furore on the same levels as the "150mph family saloon" Lotus Carlton/Sierra Cosworth, or the outrageous appearance/instant rallying success of the Escort Cosworth.Also the shape of both mk1 and mk2 is instantly recognisable!! I drive a MK1 and even tho it's a 11 year old focus it turns heads!! The MK2 is similar!
Motorsport pedigree well nothing has anymore!!
SidewaysSi said:
Quite a lot of people thought the Mk1 RS was a bit s
t. And the Mk2 not as good as the competition. Third time lucky.
Any links to any of that? Never heard that before, only praise for both other than the earlier mk1 RS's needed alignment done from new as settings were out.t. And the Mk2 not as good as the competition. Third time lucky.rb5er said:
Any links to any of that? Never heard that before, only praise for both other than the earlier mk1 RS's needed alignment done from new as settings were out.
Quite common with the 4wd Lancia Deltas as well that they came from new with the wheels pointing in different directions. Hastily/lazily done PDIsrb5er said:
SidewaysSi said:
Quite a lot of people thought the Mk1 RS was a bit st. And the Mk2 not as good as the competition. Third time lucky.
Any links to any of that? Never heard that before, only praise for both other than the earlier mk1 RS's needed alignment done from new as settings were out.t. And the Mk2 not as good as the competition. Third time lucky.As for the Mk2, it seemed better. But not as good as the R26-R.
They are good cars but have never been best in class driver's cars.
With the Mk3, I see it as a family car which, if it loves up to the hype, could be very good indeed.
Centurion07 said:
The bit in bold I would sadly have to agree with, but a huge furore surrounding the MK1? Really? In what way? Sure, it may have been well received, but I don't think it caused any great furore on the same levels as the "150mph family saloon" Lotus Carlton/Sierra Cosworth, or the outrageous appearance/instant rallying success of the Escort Cosworth.
Well the Mk1 polarised opinion some loved it some hated it, but in all tests it destroyed the comparable competition and it still looks amazing today, it's a modern classic already so it's definitely iconicThe mk2 wasn't as compromised as the R26r so some classed it as not as good but look at the mk2 residuals that to me shows it was pretty well received and therefore iconic
Don't get me wrong the escort cosworth looks amazing but it wasn't a successful rally car as much as it pains me to say it! the drivers car fords began with the focus, the base model of which I'd call iconic!
MK1RS Bruce said:
Well the Mk1 polarised opinion some loved it some hated it, but in all tests it destroyed the comparable competition and it still looks amazing today, it's a modern classic already so it's definitely iconic
The mk2 wasn't as compromised as the R26r so some classed it as not as good but look at the mk2 residuals that to me shows it was pretty well received and therefore iconic
Don't get me wrong the escort cosworth looks amazing but it wasn't a successful rally car as much as it pains me to say it! the drivers car fords began with the focus, the base model of which I'd call iconic!
I think Ford were involved with "Driver cars" well before they even thought of the Focus name - I suspect your bias to owning a MK1 puts you on that path of thought.The mk2 wasn't as compromised as the R26r so some classed it as not as good but look at the mk2 residuals that to me shows it was pretty well received and therefore iconic
Don't get me wrong the escort cosworth looks amazing but it wasn't a successful rally car as much as it pains me to say it! the drivers car fords began with the focus, the base model of which I'd call iconic!
MK2 residuals will take a hit as the Mk1 did when the newer car arrived, if anything the consensus seems to be that a few dealers have bullied the residuals (RS Direct etc) but if you look he's now stopped buying MK2 as he's now stocking up on GT-R's instead
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