RE: Toyota GT86: PH Fleet

[ECG1000]

iphonedyou said:

Goodness me, that's delightful.

What all have you done, if I may?

Thanks mate, means a lot. :-)

Well.....

• Milltek non-res primary cat-back
• Blitz Panel Filter
• Ecutek remap
• Fensport spec Tien Street Flex coilovers
• SuperPro rear subframe insert kit
• S-Wave rear adjustable control arms
• Whiteline roll centre adjuster kit
• DBA T3 slotted front discs
• Hawk HPS pads all round
• Laile master cylinder stopper
• Delphi dot 5.1 brake fluid
• Rota Titan 17x8 wheels
• TRD style rear spoiler

I've stuck with the OEM Michelin Primacy's, albeit one size wider (215 to 225) to maintain the silly sideways antics

As well as spraying the rear lights, I've slightly tinted the side indicators and the rear lower fog lamp.
Also plasdtidipped black the Toyota badges.

[LankyLegoHead]

ECG1000 said:

Thanks mate, means a lot. :-)

Well.....

• Milltek non-res primary cat-back
• Blitz Panel Filter
• Ecutek remap
• Fensport spec Tien Street Flex coilovers
• SuperPro rear subframe insert kit
• S-Wave rear adjustable control arms
• Whiteline roll centre adjuster kit
• DBA T3 slotted front discs
• Hawk HPS pads all round
• Laile master cylinder stopper
• Delphi dot 5.1 brake fluid
• Rota Titan 17x8 wheels
• TRD style rear spoiler

I've stuck with the OEM Michelin Primacy's, albeit one size wider (215 to 225) to maintain the silly sideways antics

As well as spraying the rear lights, I've slightly tinted the side indicators and the rear lower fog lamp.
Also plasdtidipped black the Toyota badges.

You've pretty much done everything I'd do to mine if I had the money right now. It does look superb sir.

[ECG1000]

LankyLegoHead said:

You've pretty much done everything I'd do to mine if I had the money right now. It does look superb sir.

Thank you very much Mr. Lego

I would fully recommend the top three modifications as a starting point.
Really does make quite a difference. The car feels much more eager and relentless.
The rev limit is raised in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd too which enables you to drop right back into the meat of the power band.

[LordGrover]

Did Adrian do the map? I have the ECUTek RaceROM switchable maps by Adrian which gives auto-blip on downshift, launch control and flat-shift.

[Matt Bird]

ECG1000 said:

I'm 1 year into ownership of mine and still love it!
It's changed quite a lot over the year however...

Oooooooof yes!

[bcadou]

Am I right to think that, the bigger the wheel, the better it will sitck to the road and the less it will drift? (with same tyres of course)

And therefore, the primo on 16" will drift more easily than with the new 18" ?

[PTF]

bcadou said:

Am I right to think that, the bigger the wheel, the better it will sitck to the road and the less it will drift? (with same tyres of course)

And therefore, the primo on 16" will drift more easily than with the new 18" ?

I would imagine that the 18s will drift as much as the 16s, but the higher sidewall of the 16s will make the break-away more progressive.

[bcadou]

understood, thanks

[morgs_]

ECG1000 said:

LankyLegoHead said:

You've pretty much done everything I'd do to mine if I had the money right now. It does look superb sir.

Thank you very much Mr. Lego

I would fully recommend the top three modifications as a starting point.
Really does make quite a difference. The car feels much more eager and relentless.
The rev limit is raised in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd too which enables you to drop right back into the meat of the power band.

What sort of cost for the first 3?

[ECG1000]

PTF said:

I would imagine that the 18s will drift as much as the 16s, but the higher sidewall of the 16s will make the break-away more progressive.

Really depends on width too...

morgs_ said:

What sort of cost for the first 3?

I think the Milltek new is about £1200
Don't confuse this with the cheaper secondary cat-back which isn't the full system.
I got lucky and got the primary cat-back for a steal on eBay!

Blitz panel filter £35

Fensport do the ECUTEC map for £336
You have to buy an ECUTEK license on top of that which is around £190

[Camry_Man]

ECG1000 said:

I'm 1 year into ownership of mine and still love it!
It's changed quite a lot over the year however...

Hint of Alfa SZ from that angle...
Looks great.

[ECG1000]

LordGrover said:

Did Adrian do the map? I have the ECUTek RaceROM switchable maps by Adrian which gives auto-blip on downshift, launch control and flat-shift.

He did mate. Very interesting process!
Have to admit, I just stick to the standard full power map. Much prefer rev matching and heal and toeing myself. I've had to put it in the 'low power' standard fuel map a few times when I can't find V-power. Car feels so flat by comparison.
The launch control and flat shift can be a bit of a giggle on the odd occasion!

Matt Bird said:

Oooooooof yes!

Thank you!

Camry_Man said:

Hint of Alfa SZ from that angle...
Looks great.

Maybe if you really squint. But thank you!

Edited by ECG1000 on Wednesday 30th September 10:29

[burridge1984]

LankyLegoHead said:

ECG1000 said:

Thanks mate, means a lot. :-)

Well.....

• Milltek non-res primary cat-back
• Blitz Panel Filter
• Ecutek remap
• Fensport spec Tien Street Flex coilovers
• SuperPro rear subframe insert kit
• S-Wave rear adjustable control arms
• Whiteline roll centre adjuster kit
• DBA T3 slotted front discs
• Hawk HPS pads all round
• Laile master cylinder stopper
• Delphi dot 5.1 brake fluid
• Rota Titan 17x8 wheels
• TRD style rear spoiler

I've stuck with the OEM Michelin Primacy's, albeit one size wider (215 to 225) to maintain the silly sideways antics

As well as spraying the rear lights, I've slightly tinted the side indicators and the rear lower fog lamp.
Also plasdtidipped black the Toyota badges.

You've pretty much done everything I'd do to mine if I had the money right now. It does look superb sir.

Great set of mods.

It's a shame the GT86 / FRS twins aren't more popular, great concept aiming for high fun factor.

Can I ask what power you got with the exhaust and map, and I assume the milltek system deletes the secondary cat? Also what is the rev limit now? Have read early tuners went for 7800 rpm, but some now play extra safe and go for 7650 rpm?

Cheers.

[braddo]

Matt Bird said:

... the rightness of the driving environment never fails to impress; sat low with the wheel out to you chest and the gearlever perfectly placed, the driving position always gets you in the mood. Drive a hot hatch after and it will feel like an SUV, so high is the seat in comparison.

I would like to think more hatch drivers would buy the GT86/BRZ if they actually sat in them. For the average non-PH person who would like a 'sporty' car, anything hatch derived would feel pretty odd after spending some time in the GT86.

I really dislike driving modern hatchbacks. Too big, too tall, too claustrophic with huge pillars and small glasshouses, SUV driving position and terrible feeling driving controls.

Edited by braddo on Wednesday 30th September 09:59

[ECG1000]

burridge1984 said:

Great set of mods.

It's a shame the GT86 / FRS twins aren't more popular, great concept aiming for high fun factor.

Can I ask what power you got with the exhaust and map, and I assume the milltek system deletes the secondary cat? Also what is the rev limit now? Have read early tuners went for 7800 rpm, but some now play extra safe and go for 7650 rpm?

Cheers.

Thank you

I'm running around 218bhp according to Fensport.

Yep, my Milltek deletes the secondary CAT. The system starts from the OEM manifold which contains the first CAT. Hence 'primary CAT-back'. It consists of; overpipe, secondary CAT delete, mid-pipe and back box.

The rev limit is raised to 7650rpm in 1st, 2nd and 3rd. It's not massively higher than standard but you do notice the difference.



I think the GT86/BRZ got off to a shaky start with the prices being so high. I certainly wouldn't have paid that for a new one, so waited a while for 2nd hand values to become more sensible.
I was at a Toyota garage yesterday, talking to a salesmen who said they're shifting a bit now with the price drop.

Is it just me, or are people beginning to realise these cars aren't about power and starting to appreciate them for that they really are...?

Edited by ECG1000 on Wednesday 30th September 10:33

[LordGrover]

That'll NEVER happen.

[LankyLegoHead]

ECG1000 said:

...
Is it just me, or are people beginning to realise these cars aren't about power and starting to appreciate them for that they really are...?

Edited by ECG1000 on Wednesday 30th September 10:33

What, now they can afford it they might stop slagging it off? NEVER.

Haha, in all seriousness I think a few people are starting to change opinions. I frequent ClioSport a bit, and its ironic how many owners of the Clio 200 are slating this for not having enough power or torque, when the figures are almost identical to our car.

[morgs_]

ECG1000 said:

morgs_ said:

What sort of cost for the first 3?

I think the Milltek new is about £1200
Don't confuse this with the cheaper secondary cat-back which isn't the full system.
I got lucky and got the primary cat-back for a steal on eBay!

Blitz panel filter £35

Fensport do the ECUTEC map for £336
You have to buy an ECUTEK license on top of that which is around £190

Cheers.

[Robert Elise]

ECG1000 said:

Yep, my Milltek deletes the secondary CAT. The system starts from the OEM manifold which contains the first CAT. Hence 'primary CAT-back'. It consists of; overpipe, secondary CAT delete, mid-pipe and back box.

Edited by ECG1000 on Wednesday 30th September 10:33

can i ask the noob questions....
what does the secondary cat actually do? What are the emissions like with it deleted?
How does the MoT judge this?
If the car came with 2 cats as standard then shouldn't it have 2 cats even if emissions are compliant?
Anybody have comparable Euro knowledge? Because i reckon modding the exhaust is technically a fail in many regimes. UK seems more lax/tolerant
i ask as my car is not uk registered.

[em177]

I'm delighted we've reached a stage in the cars life we can have a few pages of thread of useful discussion and tips without anyone coming along to say it isn't powerful enough