RE: Toyota GT86: PH Fleet

[Robert Elise]

D200 said:

I am considering a GT86, had a test drive of one and really liked it, but it would be a daily driver/commuter car and I'm slightly worried about the mpgs

As on any long term tests I read you are talking around 30mpg average - which I could never understand as they are quite a light car and not an overly powerful engine

std spec with a lot of cruising = 38mpg OBC over 5000 miles. my casual real world checks confirm that's broadly correct.
30 would be a lot of spirited driving.

[ECG1000]

MustardCutter said:

Have you mods reduced/removed the torque dip, or is a change of exhaust manifold needed for that? I assume the higher rev limit is partly so you're above the dip after shifting? Does the power drop off much at the top end with the increased rev limit?

Thanks

The torque dip has been reduced but a whiff of it still exists. Yep, a manifold with a good map is supposed to eliminate it.
The power doesn't drop off with the increased rev limit, it really feels like you can keep going.
It was live mapped on the road so I got to see the graphs after each full throttle run. The power starts to flatten out just after 7,650rpm onto 7,800rpm after which it starts to drop.
Having the limit set to 7,650rpm is bang on in my opinion, allowing you to get back into the power band with the next gear.

D200 said:

Very nice car with great spec!

Out of interest, what sort of MPG do you get with this spec [i.e the exhaust, filter and remap]?

I am considering a GT86, had a test drive of one and really liked it, but it would be a daily driver/commuter car and I'm slightly worried about the mpgs

As on any long term tests I read you are talking around 30mpg average - which I could never understand as they are quite a light car and not an overly powerful engine

Thanks very much

The roads around me are mostly hilly b-roads where I average 29-30 mpg. I do drive rather briskly though... Or as my Old Man puts it "you drive like a tw*t". It all boils down to how heavy your right foot is.

I use mine everyday for commuting and feel lucky in doing so with it being such a fun, eventful car.
If you really enjoyed the test drive, I'm pretty certain you'll be smitten if you own one.
A quick test drive in a GT86 doesn't really show what the car can do. Once you've had one for a couple of weeks and started to get used to it, it all begins to make sense.

Edited by ECG1000 on Thursday 1st October 12:16

[Robert Elise]

ECG1000 said:

A quick test drive in a GT86 doesn't really show what the car can do. Once you've had one for a couple of weeks and started to get used to it, it all begins to make sense.

Edited by ECG1000 on Thursday 1st October 12:16

very true. The subtlety can be lost if driven straight after a tdi or turbo.


2 extremes of mpg between the two of us. mine certainly gets an easier life, sadly!

[underphil]

MustardCutter said:

Have you mods reduced/removed the torque dip, or is a change of exhaust manifold needed for that? I assume the higher rev limit is partly so you're above the dip after shifting? Does the power drop off much at the top end with the increased rev limit?

Thanks

the torque dip is between 4000-4500rpm, even shifting on the standard limiter from 1st to 2nd, you'll land at almost 5000rpm

[burridge1984]

ECG1000 said:

Thank you

I'm running around 218bhp according to Fensport.

Yep, my Milltek deletes the secondary CAT. The system starts from the OEM manifold which contains the first CAT. Hence 'primary CAT-back'. It consists of; overpipe, secondary CAT delete, mid-pipe and back box.

The rev limit is raised to 7650rpm in 1st, 2nd and 3rd. It's not massively higher than standard but you do notice the difference.



I think the GT86/BRZ got off to a shaky start with the prices being so high. I certainly wouldn't have paid that for a new one, so waited a while for 2nd hand values to become more sensible.
I was at a Toyota garage yesterday, talking to a salesmen who said they're shifting a bit now with the price drop.

Is it just me, or are people beginning to realise these cars aren't about power and starting to appreciate them for that they really are...?

Edited by ECG1000 on Wednesday 30th September 10:33

Any reason why the Rev limit is only higher in the low gears?

[LankyLegoHead]

ECG1000 said:

I use mine everyday for commuting and feel lucky in doing so with it being such a fun, eventful car.
If you really enjoyed the test drive, I'm pretty certain you'll be smitten if you own one.
A quick test drive in a GT86 doesn't really show what the car can do. Once you've had one for a couple of weeks and started to get used to it, it all begins to make sense.

Edited by ECG1000 on Thursday 1st October 12:16

This, 100%. Couldn't agree more.

[D200]

Robert Elise said:

std spec with a lot of cruising = 38mpg OBC over 5000 miles. my casual real world checks confirm that's broadly correct.
30 would be a lot of spirited driving.

thanks

Yeah, 38 isn't too bad at all & I could like with that [and its what I thought the mpg should be].

I guess the long term reviews involved much performance,comparison testing and track days possibly

My daily commute would be a pretty constant 50-70 mph b road then a road drive

[D200]

ECG1000 said:

Thanks very much

The roads around me are mostly hilly b-roads where I average 29-30 mpg. I do drive rather briskly though... Or as my Old Man puts it "you drive like a tw*t". It all boils down to how heavy your right foot is.

I use mine everyday for commuting and feel lucky in doing so with it being such a fun, eventful car.
If you really enjoyed the test drive, I'm pretty certain you'll be smitten if you own one.
A quick test drive in a GT86 doesn't really show what the car can do. Once you've had one for a couple of weeks and started to get used to it, it all begins to make sense.

Edited by ECG1000 on Thursday 1st October 12:16

Agreed.

Although even after a quick test drive I was impressed [a good sign] it just felt nice [balanced and light]. And it did feel like a car that would grow on you.

Although the Toyota Salesman was quite accommodating - he let me turn of the TC and drive it in a spirited fashion around a wet empty industrial estate 

[LordGrover]

D200 said:

Robert Elise said:

std spec with a lot of cruising = 38mpg OBC over 5000 miles. my casual real world checks confirm that's broadly correct.
30 would be a lot of spirited driving.

thanks

Yeah, 38 isn't too bad at all & I could like with that [and its what I thought the mpg should be].

I guess the long term reviews involved much performance,comparison testing and track days possibly

My daily commute would be a pretty constant 50-70 mph b road then a road drive

I get a pretty consistent 30-32mpg but most of my driving is lanes and B roads with lots of slowing and stopping. On a run at 70mph 40-42mpg.

[ECG1000]

Robert Elise said:

2 extremes of mpg between the two of us. mine certainly gets an easier life, sadly!

It's really quite hilly where I live....honest

burridge1984 said:

Any reason why the Rev limit is only higher in the low gears?

By the time you're at the top of 4th, you'll be doing well over 100 and accelerating at a slower rate. So, I'd imagine those last few 100rpm won't make much difference.

D200 said:

Although the Toyota Salesman was quite accommodating - he let me turn of the TC and drive it in a spirited fashion around a wet empty industrial estate ?

Guessing you signed the papers there and then...?

[D200]

ECG1000 said:

Guessing you signed the papers there and then...?

I was tempted.

But at the time I was on a pure tire kicking exercise and had no real intention of spending 25k or whatever the new price was at the time. It was one of the first GT86's in the country available for a test drive. So I went in with no real intention of buying one there and then [but I read so much about it I really wanted a drive in one].

At the time I thought I would buy one when they take a big depreciated hit.

I guess one plus point [for owners] of the car not selling too well is the used prices held up quite well, relatively speaking, they don't depreciate too much.

But they are finally getting 'down the money'

[Richyboy]

Bought one for 26k and sold for 14k after two years with low mileage lol. MPG was terrible because your always thrashing it. Terrible paint job is still in the my mind.

I miss everything except the engine but when I had it the engine didn't bother me; just driven other cars and dreamed of a 260-280bhp one.