RE: Porsche 928: Catch it while you can

RE: Porsche 928: Catch it while you can

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cirian75

4,263 posts

233 months

Friday 2nd October 2015
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RoverP6B said:
Didn't Clarkson have a white 928 for a Top Gear episode which was very slow and smoky and eventually expired more-or-less catastrophically at the roadside in clouds of smoke?
after he painted it matt black.

He could kill a brand new Toyota Yaris in a day with out crashing it = zero mechanical sympathy for cars that not his own.

The 928, I'd have a late manual biggrin

cirian75

4,263 posts

233 months

Friday 2nd October 2015
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There was the Koenig 928 widebody which as a kid I loved




but now, it would have to be a clean stock late manual

pSyCoSiS

3,598 posts

205 months

Friday 2nd October 2015
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I like these, very quirky cars and different to the norm.

I suppose it's a marmite Porsche - some people love them, others hate.

In the right colour, spec, wheels, etc, I think they look stunning, especially with the wide back end.

pSyCoSiS

3,598 posts

205 months

Friday 2nd October 2015
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No mention of the one from Scarface?

http://www.imcdb.org/i002587.jpg


cirian75

4,263 posts

233 months

Friday 2nd October 2015
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mmmmmmm, Porsche pron




mike150

493 posts

200 months

Friday 2nd October 2015
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mike150 said:
I owned 2 928's over the years, a 1980 manual S in make blue when I was just 20 years old and........an 88 S4 Sport in silver, the only one ever made I think and one of only about 30 S4 Sports.
You mean SE, right? I've never heard of a 928 S4 'Sport'. Though mine did come with a 'Sport' sticker on the back which I assumed was a stupid amateur addition.

[/wishful thinking]
I had seen the model listed as an se but it was badged S4 Sport.

The rarest and to me the best 928 ever.

kellyt

158 posts

119 months

Friday 2nd October 2015
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For my tuppence worth I don't think there's any doubt these over engineered cruisers are going to appreciate, it's just by how much. But the first killing is already off the table, 5 years ago I was seeing them for 5 or 6 k. The real trick would be to identify the enjoyable cars to have and drive, which are at the bottom of the curve. Quentin Wilson was having a fair stab at that on his classics show. I'd say BMW 840/850 is looking pretty undervalued still. Not nearly as fast as it really should be for a big V8, but a very good car The one I most regret seeing in the value pit is the NSX. A great opportunity horribly missed, whilst I drove a relatively boring 320d.

Cheburator mk2

2,993 posts

199 months

Friday 2nd October 2015
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RoverP6B said:
I just can't get over how ugly the thing is, inside and out. Yeah, it was very futuristic back in nineteen-seventy-what, but it looks horribly dated now... and the immensely long timing belt is asking for trouble. From what I've seen and heard of people's experiences with the 928, including Top Gear buying some utter dogs, it seems to be the case that it may be cheap to buy but it certainly isn't cheap to run, and it's not currently worth enough to make restoration cost-effective. Maybe in the 2020s we'll all be ruing the day we failed to buy that £5000 928 and park it up awaiting restoration...
Clearly you have no idea what you are talking about...

Briefly on the looks - in 12yrs of ownership I am yet to be told that any of my 928s look ugly. Quite the opposite - even die-hard 911 owners have complimented them.

How is the long timing belt asking for trouble? Do you have any mechanical aptitude or you just like talking rubbish for the sake of it? So, Ferraris like the F355 or the 550 are also likely to be trouble? Or Audi V8s? Any car which is not maintained is asking for trouble.

The rest of the comments about Top Gear and restoration/running costs just confirm that you Sir, are a total dilettante when it comes to cars.



SuperHangOn

3,486 posts

153 months

Friday 2nd October 2015
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I'm surprised they have rocketed in value already but then I don't really get classic prices.

One of the all time great designs and from the golden era of German build. With a decent facelift I don't think it would dated in a showroom today.

I selfishly hope they plummet in value.

Bo_apex

2,567 posts

218 months

Friday 2nd October 2015
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loafer123 said:
Looking at 928 pricing, it is still a cheap, well engineered and pretty supercar. The competition for me at the same price point was much worse value for money and I would see more vulnerability elsewhere the market, and even specifically in the Porsche market.
+1
The GT in particular is as much fun as a manual F355, but less fragile. Epic soundtrack too.

loafer123

15,444 posts

215 months

Friday 2nd October 2015
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After this thread, I got mine out to enjoy the sunshine...!

RoverP6B

4,338 posts

128 months

Friday 2nd October 2015
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Enough 928s have had to undergo major engine rebuilds because the belt has stretched or even snapped.

Looks are subjective, I can't stand the 928 in stock form. A wide-body conversion, if well-done, goes some way toward remedying its anaemic lines. A rear spoiler is a must, helps break up the horrible rear end which reminds me of the Chrysler Crossfire - no rear deck, just windscreen sloping straight into the rear of the car... some kind of fixed-headlamp conversion would also help, because those pop-ups are just stupid. The interior is pretty nasty too...

Personally, I'd rather have an R129 SL600. Much nicer.

Bo_apex

2,567 posts

218 months

Friday 2nd October 2015
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RoverP6B said:
Enough 928s have had to undergo major engine rebuilds because the belt has stretched or even snapped.
Yes. Lazy and cheapskate owners not renewing the belt at scheduled intervals. Exactly the same principal as any Ferrari with belts.
False economy.
928 is better engineered than same era Ferrari.

Cheburator mk2

2,993 posts

199 months

Friday 2nd October 2015
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RoverP6B said:
Enough 928s have had to undergo major engine rebuilds because the belt has stretched or even snapped.
This is getting silly now... How many 928s have you rebuild due to snapped/stretched timing belts? The late S2, S4 and GT/GTS have a pretty sophisticated belt tension warning system, which compensates for engine temperature and is also connected to an idiot light on the dash. If it came on and you did not check the belt tension/condition and then it jumped a tooth or was shredded, I am sorry, but you only have yourself to blame. Most shredded belts have been due to improper tension or seized water pumps, so the length of the belt has nothing to do with it. As a matter of fact, having had to replace the stupid plastic chain tensioners that BMW employed on the M60/M62/S62 engine family, I'd rather have a belt driven engine

RoverP6B said:
Personally, I'd rather have an R129 SL600. Much nicer.
Have you actually driven one? The Lorinser SL500 that I had was properly set up, with Lorinser cams, headers and suspension. And yet, it was still a big ole bus and could not hold a candle dynamically to a S4 Auto, let alone a GT or GTS 5-spd. A 600SL is actually a worse steer than a SL500, because the V12, good as it is weighs about as much as Big Ben and while great for straight line speed, makes for an understeering pig. But the only way to know the above is to drive one. I have, you haven't...

dictys

913 posts

258 months

Friday 2nd October 2015
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The 928 does have a warning light which tells you if the belt is slack ( has a warning light for nearly everything to be fair), but any belt not correctly tensioned on an interference engine such as the later 928's and others will have a shorter lifespan. If you do not know the history change the belt, as said previous this applies not just to 928's but any belt car such as Ferrari's etc. I see the poster above me replied whilst I was typing with similar comments.

Edited by dictys on Friday 2nd October 16:45

RoverP6B

4,338 posts

128 months

Friday 2nd October 2015
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No, haven't driven the Merc, I just much prefer the looks and the bulletproof M120 V12 engine. Porsche had a lot of problems with 928 belt failures, especially early on, even on relatively new cars.

dictys

913 posts

258 months

Friday 2nd October 2015
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The early engines were non interference unlike the later cars so a snapped belt was not really too much an issues.

P4GNO

35 posts

123 months

Friday 2nd October 2015
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Ageless design? I parked mine at a local gardens recently and a guy asked me if it was a new car, obviously not a car buff but shows it can still look modern. He was amazed that mine is 25 years old and incidentally is also a Japanese import. It's my 4th and none of the previous 3 have been in such good condition so this one is a keeper.


Ursicles

1,068 posts

242 months

Friday 2nd October 2015
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It has pop up headlights!!

Thats a reason in itself to buy one smile

RoverP6B

4,338 posts

128 months

Friday 2nd October 2015
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Who the hell LIKES pop-up headlights? They were and remain a stupid idea!